DOES ATLANTIS EXIST?!

[Elledan]

<< In any event, similar relationships have been found between other man made structures and the natural world. As someone reported, the Washington monuments correspond to a stellar constellation... if you ran the computer simulation you might be able to find a specific time-frame when the monuments were almost exactly corresponding to their stellar counterparts. It doesn't mean that the monuments were built to some secret blueprint.. >>

Uhm, with so many buildings on this planet, there are bound to be some similar in location etc. as a bunch of stars.

However, those pyramids which can be found at Giza are not the only pyramides which match a stellar constellation. Those pyramides at Giza match Orion perfectly. Some other pyramides, located far away from Giza match the locations of other stars. Plus the Nile running next to those pyramides, symbolizing the Milky Way. To me it appears that this goes further than just 'coincidence'.



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Actually I think that you might suffer from a disorder involving a heightened sense of your own intelligence. In fact it's something that you have demonstrated in thread after thread where you are condescending in your dismissal of other people's opinions. >>

Only when necessary. If someone provides me with evidence that s/he is right and I'm wrong, I'll accept that I was wrong. Doing otherwise would be foolish.

 

[gunf1ghter]

<< To me it appears that this goes further than just 'coincidence' >>



You know, that's an interesting comment coming from someone who continually slams religious wackos for believing there are too many miracles in the world for it to be just a "coincidence'.

Being an Atheist myself I would have expected more from you... tsk tsk.

All archeological evidence from the Nile valley indicates that the society there didn't even exist in rudimentary form prior to 6,000 BC. We are talking about hunter gatherers here.... I think that it's pretty unlikely that they had accurate "starmaps" handed down to them from several thousand years earlier when they built the pyramids.

Which is the likelier scenario, that the star positions are coincidence or that some prior civilization handed down accurate starmaps (accurate to .1%) from several thousand years earlier than the pyramids were constructed.

 

[FinalLastz]

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[wnied]

I believe that within the bermuda triangle there are a total of 5-10 water currents converging(please dont quote me on # as I am not totally sure) When these currents converge, they cause friction and magnetic activity. Many things can happen within the boundaries of this activity, displaying various results. i.e.(the sandlike substance floating mid-air, compasses going nuts, and dancing lightning.) Its also been proven that when the human brain encounters certain magnetic activity, it can result in the halucination or belief that the affected has crossed over to another dimension or seen someone or something that isnt actually there.
This seems to me, to be a much more plausible explanation for some of the wild stories that seem to generate from that area. I've flown & sailed through the triangle numerous times, and have only had one encounter with the strange...(an Elvis impersonator on the cruise I was on, looked and sounded like The King himself.)

Anyway, thats my theory.
~wnied~

 

[TimidOCer]

<< what do planters and the people that believe that stuff have in common? >>



perhaps they both smoke weed

 

[bugsysiegel]

Dunno, I can't remember it at all.... so it must not exist.

 

[shifrbv]

I'm not sure if there was an Atlantis (though many psychic channelers from Edgar Cayce to that Russian Blatvaskey(sp?) lady said it had existed).

No matter what people think, there is no denying that earlier civilizations were onto some sort of knowledge which has now been lost to us. Seeing those huge stones at Tihutehuacan (forgive my spelling) or those huge stones hauled up into the mountains of Peru at Maccu Picu. Some of our best engineers and archeologists don't have any clue how this could be done with the technology of the times.

That guy who built Coral Castle in Florida from several ton blocks of coral said he knew how the pyramids were built, but he never divulged how he was able to build his "castle" by himself. It seems unbelievable when you see it and you read his story. It's really amazing. He used no cranes, only a few rudimentary tools.

I've always thought the story of the pyramids being used as "burial chambers" was somewhat off. Real Egyptian burial chambers were filled with heiroglyphs on the walls and art which remained throughout the centuries even though the mummies and much of the treasure was lost. The pyramids were not constructed this way. They have no art inside and are completely laid out differently than traditional burial chambers. They don't fit the burial patterns of any previous kings in Egypt or any Kings after the 3 they were supposedly built for.

Even the story that there was no civilization before Egypt (6,000 BC) has been recently refuted by geologists studying the bedrock of the Sphinx. They say that there is evidence of water erosion on the Sphinx and that it could be 5,000-7,000 years older than previously thought.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Did you even read the link about the stone vases? It describes in detail exactly why making a jade vase is harder than it is to make a diorite vase. Jade is a harder stone, and has no exploitable fracture points. And Asian craftsmen can whip them right out. There is no mystery about their construction. It even showed pictures in case you wanted to try it yourself. No one knows how long it took the Egyptian craftsmen to shape a piece of stone because no one alive was then and the Egyptians didn't have time pieces to record the information for us.

There is no doubt that certain structures in Egypt were meant to represent celestial bodies. None at all. But just because you can tweak one computer model to make it look like they show the stars as they were 13000 years ago doesn't mean a thing. There is a margin of error in the computer models themselves, there is a margin of error in the construction of the Pyramids, compound all the errors and you can play connect the dots with them all day long. 12000-13000 years is not long at all in celestial terms, and the stars would have been close to where they are today. And it depends on which stars you use. Linked is an article explaining how the stars confirm the date the Great Pyramid was built to within a few years of when the records say it was.
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It's foolish to throw all this info out the window because one computer model correlates the margin of error of the placement of the Pyramids with how the stars looked in the past. Correlation doesn't always mean a thing. It's one thing to question the truth, but another to ignore it.

 

[Kitros]

Atlantis? Oh you mean that Disney movie? Of course it doesn't, it's just a cartoon, silly.

Bermuda Triangle? Isn't that part of Cocomo? You've been listening to too much Beach Boys in your sleep.

 

[Amused]

<< I'm not sure if there was an Atlantis (though many psychic channelers from Edgar Cayce to that Russian Blatvaskey(sp?) lady said it had existed).

No matter what people think, there is no denying that earlier civilizations were onto some sort of knowledge which has now been lost to us. Seeing those huge stones at Tihutehuacan (forgive my spelling) or those huge stones hauled up into the mountains of Peru at Maccu Picu. Some of our best engineers and archeologists don't have any clue how this could be done with the technology of the times.

That guy who built Coral Castle in Florida from several ton blocks of coral said he knew how the pyramids were built, but he never divulged how he was able to build his "castle" by himself. It seems unbelievable when you see it and you read his story. It's really amazing. He used no cranes, only a few rudimentary tools.

I've always thought the story of the pyramids being used as "burial chambers" was somewhat off. Real Egyptian burial chambers were filled with heiroglyphs on the walls and art which remained throughout the centuries even though the mummies and much of the treasure was lost. The pyramids were not constructed this way. They have no art inside and are completely laid out differently than traditional burial chambers. They don't fit the burial patterns of any previous kings in Egypt or any Kings after the 3 they were supposedly built for.

Even the story that there was no civilization before Egypt (6,000 BC) has been recently refuted by geologists studying the bedrock of the Sphinx. They say that there is evidence of water erosion on the Sphinx and that it could be 5,000-7,000 years older than previously thought. >>



Um, the pyramids in Egypt pre-date the tombs of the Valley of the Kings and their relief worked walls. And the burial chamber of the great pyramid DOES have some relief heiroglyphs in it. However, any and all paintwork inside the pyramids has long since vanished.

Styles change, and Egypt was no different. To claim that the absence of relief heirogliphs in the great pyramids somehow dispute the fact that they were tombs is rather simplistic. Especially considering that they have sarcophagi in them, kinda proves the point.

And the Geologist work on the sphinx is HIGHLY disputed.

You know, it's time people here STOP taking everything they see on TDC and TLC as gospel.

As for moving blocks of great weight, MANY different techniques have been demonstrated to show how it could have been done. When there's a will, there's a way.

 

[shifrbv]

AmusedOne - Maybe so. But that still doesn't explain Coral Castle in Florida. How one man who only weighed 120 pounds and stood no more than 5 feet tall could move colossol size rocks and build a "castle" all by himself with no heavy machinery and rudimentary tools still remains a modern day mystery.

 

[Atlantean]

It is a possibility that it existed, but it was not as large or as advanced as people think. It was probably some small island in the mediterranian that had a volcano on it which erupted and took the island down with it.

 

[tcsenter]

Myth busters:

Nova Online: Ancient Pyramids

How old are the pyramids?

Who built the pyramids?

 

[AmRoD]

Now it's time for geology to date the Sphinx. John Anthony West, an independent American researcher, pretends that the Sphinx is much older than what we think. It has been built 12000 years ago. How did he conclude this ? He has had a look at the body of the Sphinx and he spotted trace of water erosion. Water in the desert ? Yes, water. The climate in Egypt hasn't been humid for 12000 years. The erosion is not the result of a flooding because the erosion shows clearly that the water came from the sky. If flooding had caused the erosion, the lower part of the Sphinx should also show signs of erosion which is not the case. According to West, it rained on the Sphinx.... 12000 years ago!

Who could have built the Sphinx if the Egyptians didn't build it ? Some pretend it has been built by a pre-Egyptian civilisation which we call today "Atlantis". This civilisation would have disappeared after a gigantic cataclysm on Earth. There would also be an ancient library under the Sphinx containing evidences of that vanished civilisation. If such documents are found, well ... we'll have to rewrite history!

That text was taken from a www page because I didn't want to type it out... but if you google.com search for something like "sphynx water erosion" you'll find some interesting stuff.

 

[GUN]

<< The Pyramids in Egypt and the "pyramids" in America bear little resemblence to each other. Some of the early Egyptian Pyramids have steps, and there the similarity ends. >>



Some egyptian pyramids also have steps!

 

[GUN]

<< But there is evidence that the Pyramids were tombs. They contain burrial chambers just like other tombs that mummies where found in. In some cases inscriptions and wall paintings designate them as such. The fact that there are no bodies is not surprising and even expected. There was a huge problem with grave robbery in ancient Egypt and it continues up to today. It was common knowledge that there were treasures burried with the kings and robbers took it. >>



There is no proof that the pyramids were built by the egyptians as tombs.
Do you realy think that people able to build with 200 tonne blocks were stupid enough to believe that burring some1 in such a pyramid will escape them from mortallity.
Sure the egyptians used the pyramids to burry the pharos but they sure didnt build them.

IMO These structures were machines, not buildings.

 

[Pocatello]

No.

 

[shifrbv]

IMO These structures were machines, not buildings.

Explain. I've never seen this theory before.

 

[gunf1ghter]

I think he watched the movie"stargate" one to many times to come up with that theory.

 

[tcsenter]

Every single time one of the world's great mysteries is solved, around which many far-flung mystical or extraterrestrial legends or myths are spun, the answer ALWAYS turns out to be the simple, logical, and decidedly terrestrial one - ALWAYS. I suppose that doesn't stop people's imaginations from running wild, though.

 

[GUN]

i have a background in architecture, and they simply dont make sense as buildings, especially if you considder that the people who built them were more advanced than us.

Up to date we are still unable to match the tollerance in levels of only 12mm on any such large structure, even when using much smaller building blocks.

Yes, i did see stargate....and thought it was far-fetched.

 

[Aihyah]

<< There are even several Pyramids which collapsed and had to be abandoned because they were not built with the correct slope.... this would show that Egyptian architecture evolved and developed and was not some secret formula handed down to them by a superior civilization.. several men from England even did a recent demo where they moved a pyramid sized stone with nothing but a few sticks, demonstrating that it wouldn't take levitation or other ridiculous explanations to make the construction possible. >>

First of all, I never said anything about the way those pyramids were constructed. We simply don't know yet how they were build.

As for that demo you mentioned, everyone knows that that is possible, but can you tell me how you would build the pyramid with such large stones? Lift them with your bare hands? Push them upwards, using the already finished part to rest them on temporary? A slope is out of the question, if you're wondering. Such a slope for the pyramid of Cheops would have had to be a few kilometers long, or it would have become too steep.

yes there are pyramids that are mistakes, started off wills walls too steep then had to lower slope part way up to prevent collapse.

as for how humans could have constructed the pyramids, i've seen documentaries where they explain how. It takes a long time, and a lot of ppl, but it is deifinetly possible. They dragged the blocks up a series of ramps as the thing was built. of course they didn't lift them with bare hands. most simple way of explaining how they did it is that they built it layer by layer in a sorta spiral. ramps go around the structure and higher up are part of the structure until completion. scientists have tested techniques required for such an undertaking. apparently it was a citizens duty to spend some time building pyramids, kinda like naitonal guard duty or something.

 

[Rage187]

"Did you know that the buildings in Washington D.C. match up exactly with the stars in the constellation Signus the Swan? It's true, even though it wasn't planned that way."


It was planned...


"Do you think aliens built Washington as well?"


No, Mason's did, and we have a keen eye for stars

 

[gunf1ghter]

Additionally the remains of workers that definitely were involved in the construction of the pyramids do NOT date from 16,000 years ago.. they also show signs of severe back strain, wonder what they were doing day to day?

 

[tcsenter]

<< yes there are pyramids that are mistakes, started off wills walls too steep then had to lower slope part way up to prevent collapse. >>

Thank you, the Bent Pyramid. This is not the work of super-intelligent beings with advanced knowledge or tools. There is a lot of evidence showing they got better at building them as they went along. How many failures did they have before they got it right? They would certainly have salvaged any good blocks from failures and dismantled them, leaving no evidence of their existance, giving the appearance they just threw these things up and got it right the first time.

<< i have a background in architecture, and they simply dont make sense as buildings, especially if you considder that the people who built them were more advanced than us. >>

They're not "buildings", they're momuments. Buildings are things people live or work in. Monuments are things people look at and say "Wow". They make perfect sense as monuments or grandiose tombs.

<< Up to date we are still unable to match the tollerance in levels of only 12mm on any such large structure, even when using much smaller building blocks. >>

This is a ridiculous statement. Tolerances of a few millimeters are amateur work by our modern standards. Further, the notion that the blocks were "precisely" positioned is a proven MYTH! Some of the blocks are often misaligned by several inches, some a up to few FEET! They used a crude mortar to fill in the accidental gaps.