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Lifer
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i really have a problem w/ all the wastefulness i see in packaging products (really hard plastic casing thats 2x2ft for a usb thumb drive) , but i can understand it i guess because of theft.
 

iroast

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I use the same dishwashing technique, although I do not dry dishes. Wet dishes are placed on a drying rack. It would be annoying to turn the water on and off for every dish. To those who would suggest washing the dishes at once then placing them aside to be rinsed together I say that I do not like piling my dishes in the sink while they are all soapy. The sink may redirty the dishes. There is also the risk of breakage when piling dishes.

Get a dish rack and use it to hold those soapy dishes. Rinse everything, including rack at the end. Put rack away.
 

Cogman

Lifer
Sep 19, 2000
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I use the same dishwashing technique, although I do not dry dishes. Wet dishes are placed on a drying rack. It would be annoying to turn the water on and off for every dish. To those who would suggest washing the dishes at once then placing them aside to be rinsed together I say that I do not like piling my dishes in the sink while they are all soapy. The sink may redirty the dishes. There is also the risk of breakage when piling dishes.

You could rinse under flowing water you know, Here's how I would do it.
1. Dirty dishes in soapy water
2. Scrub dish in soapy water
3. Rinse by letting clean water from the faucet flow over it.
4. Turn off faucet
5. Place the dish in a drying rack.
6. Repeat 2-6 until done.

It takes very little water, the dishes are just as clean, and it uses less soap.

(Speaking of which, he also used our automatic dishwasher soap for his dishes, almost half a bottle... I found that out after he finished. That was especially irritating considering he had like 10 dishes, took over 30 mins to wash each of them, and left the water running the entire time.)
 

crownjules

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Jul 7, 2005
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Packaging for consumer items has become ridiculous. I guess it helps with theft, but it not only makes it a frustrating experience trying to get into your legally obtained item but it's a huge waste of plastic. How many people realize that oil is a key component of plastic production? You might feel good about buying that new 35MPG car and you've helped lessen American dependence on foreign oil, but don't forget your coffee was brewed from your fancy-shmancy K-Cup machine. That produces far more trash and uses far more plastics, and therefore oil, than a regular coffee brewer. All so you can save 5 minutes of "hassle" in the morning.

But who cares? We're fucking America and it's all about me me me, what's coming to me?
 

krylon

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Nov 17, 2001
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how about when i hide my wastefulness by flushing it down the toilet. does it bother you that i just flushed my turd? all of those potential nutrients, GONE.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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You could rinse under flowing water you know, Here's how I would do it.
1. Dirty dishes in soapy water
2. Scrub dish in soapy water
3. Rinse by letting clean water from the faucet flow over it.
4. Turn off faucet
5. Place the dish in a drying rack.
6. Repeat 2-6 until done.

It takes very little water, the dishes are just as clean, and it uses less soap.

That's pretty much how I do it. I keep soapy water in my largest dirty pot, wash each thing separately, then rinse over the still dirty dishes. The constant rinsing helps pre clean the dishes, and makes washing quicker. I wash several flatware before rinsing them as a group.
 

nerp

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Dec 31, 2005
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It's all about the soak. Soak everything in HOT HOT soapy water. Then scrub each dish with no running water and a soapy sponge, stacking them in the empty side of the sink. Then when everything has been scrubbed, rinse them all in one shot. If you use scalding hot water, you need only air dry.
 

child of wonder

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Aug 31, 2006
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I get annoyed when I see someone wearing some $50,000+ piece of jewelry or spending $100,000+ on a wedding.

Not that I think anything should be done to stop people from doing that. I just can't help but think what a kick ass piece of jewelry or wedding they could have for half the price and do something charitable with the other half.

*shrug* Cest le vie.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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Have lived with a well for water I guess I have a different opinion on what is "wasting" water. I had to be cautious about water consumption because I could run th well dry.

But so long as it was raining frequently water was never an issue. I really don't know how you can "waste" water by running it through the sink. It just went down the drain, through the septic system, and then right back into the ground to be absorbed back by the well at some point.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Not at all. I tend to not care what other people do. And that's not wasting water in anyway shape or form. It's just water. It's not like it drains off to some secret place where it can never be used again, you'll wind up drinking that very same water later on. Then pissing it out, then drinking it again later on.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
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But so long as it was raining frequently water was never an issue. I really don't know how you can "waste" water by running it through the sink. It just went down the drain, through the septic system, and then right back into the ground to be absorbed back by the well at some point.

It generally isn't quite that simple, and when it is, you've got some serious problems ;^)

The issue isn't just water availability, but potable water available to people. Even next to the Potomac which has a seemingly endless supply, it's better to conserve usage to reduce stress on the infrastructure. Out west where water isn't as easy to come by, conservation is critical.
 

krylon

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Not at all. I tend to not care what other people do. And that's not wasting water in anyway shape or form. It's just water. It's not like it drains off to some secret place where it can never be used again, you'll wind up drinking that very same water later on. Then pissing it out, then drinking it again later on.

Not everyone is tied into the city sewer
 

vi edit

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It generally isn't quite that simple, and when it is, you've got some serious problems ;^)

The issue isn't just water availability, but potable water available to people. Even next to the Potomac which has a seemingly endless supply, it's better to conserve usage to reduce stress on the infrastructure. Out west where water isn't as easy to come by, conservation is critical.

I lived in Arizona for a while. I'd never arrogantly waste water there knowing that they are living on borrowed resources.

In the specifc example I mentioned, I was on a shallow well of about 60' of depth. It was all ground water filled. It's recharged by water dumped right back into the ground...be it rain, springs, runoff ect. Water I used and sent right back just gets soaked back in and used again.
 

Cogman

Lifer
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Not at all. I tend to not care what other people do. And that's not wasting water in anyway shape or form. It's just water. It's not like it drains off to some secret place where it can never be used again, you'll wind up drinking that very same water later on. Then pissing it out, then drinking it again later on.

If you are in a small farming community, you know that this statement is full of BS. Water tables ARE finite. The more you use, the less there will be available. If everyone uses tons of water, you run into water shortages, which is not a fun situation to be in.

Water doesn't just magically appear back on the water table, it is a long and complex process that takes a fair amount of time. That water that you just let flow down the sink causes problems for all sorts of people, farmers especially, letting water just flow down the sink = less water for the crops = less food for the population.

So yes, while the water will eventually be reused, it isn't by any means an instant process.
 

PricklyPete

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It does bother me...but I'm not a communist about it.

People buying enormous houses they don't need or huge SUV's they don't need is annoying...but I don't want to be told what I can buy...so I get over it.
 

InflatableBuddha

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I teach my son not to leave the water running when he brushes his teeth and not to take long showers. We also keep our heat set low during the winter and A/C set kind of high during the summer and we don't leave electric devices on in rooms we aren't in, have low power lights etc. We also recycle as much as we can and try to use most of the food we prepare (eating leftovers and such).

Yeah, waste is something I strive to minimize in my lifestyle. My next car will probably be much more efficient than my current car.

Some people seem militant about being able to live their lives however they want no matter how wasteful their lifestyle is...I don't get that.

Excellent efforts Jules.

I do basically everything you mentioned (although I don't have A/C), and I also try to limit my purchases, reuse when possible, and recycle a lot (all soft plastic wrappers and bags as well as hard plastics).

I take transit to work about 90-95% of the time (so I have every right to bitch about how it could be improved ), and I only drive about 6,000km per year. My car averages 11 L/100 km in the city.

I don't understand wastefulness either...if you think about it, by implementing a lot of these measures, you not only save money, but you can still maintain a high standard of living and have less impact on your neighbours and the planet.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Not everyone is tied into the city sewer

Doesn't matter, all of the water that goes down your drain will eventually make it back into circulation.

why even question who he voted for? does a person's candidate define the person?

and to answer the OP's question, yes wastefulness does bother me.

Everything is political with JS80. It's kind of sad and pathetic really. But kind of funny to know how much it bothers him that Obama is the president.

Wastefulness bothers me. It disgusts me when people are wasteful out of spite (i.e. intentionally increasing energy consumption during "earth hour.")
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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i really have a problem w/ all the wastefulness i see in packaging products (really hard plastic casing thats 2x2ft for a usb thumb drive) , but i can understand it i guess because of theft.

This. The Irony is I see it all the time with CFL light bulbs. A HUGE vacuum sealed plastic packaging for one light bulb. wtf? I avoid buying those and usually try to find the ones that come in cardboard boxes and have like 3 or more of them in one package. In fact those are actually better as far as shipping goes, the bulb screws into the cardboard "socket" and is quite secure in it's small box then that box is in a bigger box, all of which can be recycled. The boxes are also reusable to put other light bulbs in. When I replace an incad bulb I still keep the bulb since I hate throwing something that still works, so I usually put it in the packaging and label it.
 

Rubycon

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Aug 10, 2005
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I just meant that it's kind of funny if wasting food at a buffet bothers you it must be kind of hard working on a cruise ship knowing/seeing so much of it go to waste.

But I did wonder what they did with all of it. I know when I cruise I load up my plate with food and eat like 1/4 of it.

Oh, and what's with the "scrambled eggs" in the buffet? They seem anything but eggs to me. Bleh. They are like 50% water D:

Yes they pile it up since "they paid for their cruise and are entitled to it" [sic]

On the eggs...well you got me there! Some days they're runny and other days they're normal. They are definitely better in the restaurants, however. If you're in a suite your butler can bring you them for room service and they will be near perfect - every day.

It's hard to mess up dill pickles (short of taking them away! ). Long live the long, dill pickle! ()
 

mb

Lifer
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Yes they pile it up since "they paid for their cruise and are entitled to it" [sic]

On the eggs...well you got me there! Some days they're runny and other days they're normal. They are definitely better in the restaurants, however. If you're in a suite your butler can bring you them for room service and they will be near perfect - every day.

It's hard to mess up dill pickles (short of taking them away! ). Long live the long, dill pickle! ()

When I was on the Island Princess in Oct/Nov they were runny everyday. I learned to go to the omelet station and either get an omelet (no oil!) or as the guy to make some scrambled eggs for me.

And I also don't get the food rotation. While waiting in line for some carved meat they removed a whole tray of perfectly good pineapple and then 5 mins later brought out a tray that didn't look as good. Shoulda got my fruit before getting in line.
 

Rubycon

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Aug 10, 2005
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When I was on the Island Princess in Oct/Nov they were runny everyday. I learned to go to the omelet station and either get an omelet (no oil!) or as the guy to make some scrambled eggs for me.

And I also don't get the food rotation. While waiting in line for some carved meat they removed a whole tray of perfectly good pineapple and then 5 mins later brought out a tray that didn't look as good. Shoulda got my fruit before getting in line.

Oh Princess that explains it! :biggrin:

Their coffee is in its own food group - WMD. D:
 

crownjules

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Doesn't matter, all of the water that goes down your drain will eventually make it back into circulation.

No it doesn't. It might be used for other applications, like irrigating fields and other industrial needs, but state agencies prohibit the mixing of reclaimed water with potable water. It helps lessen the demand of potable water, but by no means has our technology gotten us to the point where the water I just flushed down the toilet will be recycled and flow back through my tap (well it does but it is incredibly cost prohibitive - such a system was recently installed on the ISS and cost $250M just to service a handful of astronauts). The process still leaves many toxic compounds and harmful pathogens to allow such a thing.
 
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