Draft coming right after election??

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
CAD I want a draft!!
Everyone under the age of 30.

P.S. How old is Dave?

He'd be too old for your draft

CkG

If we are drafting dave, this country is in real trouble

Hey, even Iraq needs radio show hosts. He can be like Robin Willaims in "Good Morning Vietnam".

Yeah, that would work. Better to have a Mic in hand than a gun, I'm blind as a bat.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
CAD I want a draft!!
Everyone under the age of 30.

P.S. How old is Dave?

Pushing 50, no such luck.

:Q Good lord!

 

[Shad0hawK]

i do not think there will be a draft, but if things come to that point i will probobly re-up back in teh army, prior service goes first anyway i am told. and i am in eligibility until oct 3 2005

plus my MOS (combat engineer) seems to be in high demand

here is a snippet of a conversation i ahd the other day with some other vets who i regularly get together and tlak smack to each other with

pilot to ground grunt : it takes balls to get shot at in a helicopter!

ground grunt to pilot :it takes bigger balls to get shot at on the ground!

me to both :it takes the biggest cajones in the world to jump in a boat race down the water getting shot at while not being able to shoot back only to climb up a bridge laden with explosives hoping that SOB across the river does not hit the plunger or button and defuse the exlposives...

as for you guys talking about going to canada and such, i say go ahead!

having to babysit a wuss to scared and/or with no will to fight would more than likely get me killed while i cover your worthless %$# anyway! maybe you should emigrate to france or something.

 

[Genesys]

Oh well, doesnt affect me, i'll be joining the Air Force in October

 

[rickn]

I'm to old, I don't care

 

[fwtong]

It's always fascinating to count how many posts it takes for a topic to devolve into partisan rhetoric and posters simply recite the party line.

 

[PainTrain]

Good choice on the AF Genesys, any idea what job/afsc you're going for? If I can offer some friendly advice, do not be a cop (Security Forces.) They are treated like the absolute scum of the AF. Pretty much anything else and you're golden but DO NOT be a cop.

Asfor the draft, I'd be migthy surprised if that had even the most remote element of truth considering, in the AF alone, they're trying to cut 16,000 airmen. They've got all the people they feel they need in the military, not just the AF. If they we're hurting for people they wouldn't be cutting enlitment and re-enlistment incentives as much as they are.

And I agree that a national draft would be an interesting idea, but intead of requiring for everybody require it for only those who whish to hold public office (such as the house, senate, and presidency.) Obviously that will never happen, but with military experience our leaders would likely weigh the decision to send their troops to war more heavily.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

That's your opinion that our leaders need to weigh the decision to send our troops to war more heavily. Others feel that we should send our troops to war anytime we get the chance.
As far as draft it really is a ridiculous paranoia.They are closing military bases all over the country still. New Hampshire is fighting to keep the Naval shipyard open. They don;t need a draft all they have to do is allow more recruits to join and they will have all the soldiers they need. kids have nowhere to go today so alot more would be willing to join the military vs the prospects of being unemployed. They would do well to do that also as the job market may be better when their enlistment is up or they could opt to keep a career in the military as a fall back.

 

[chowderhead]

Draft boards fuel rumors

The draft boards popped back into national consciousness this month. News outlets reported that the government was seeking draft-board applicants through a notice on the "Defend America" Web site (www.defend-america.mil).

That led to rumors about an impending draft to support either the U.S. presence in Iraq or the war on terrorism, which was quickly denied by President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The Web site notice was removed quietly.

Instead, this notice was posted: "There is NO connection between this ongoing, routine public outreach to compensate for natural board attrition and current international events. Both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on several occasions that a draft is not needed for the war on terrorism, including Iraq."

But more existing troops continue to be tapped for Iraq duty. A Tallahassee Army Reserve unit of 200 military police could be activated by the end of January; the Pentagon included them among 85,000 active-duty, Reserve and National Guard troops who were alerted early this month.

'Business as usual'

Lt. Col. Rob Clarke of the U.S. Army Reserve explained that many draft-board members across the country were reaching the end of their terms and needed to be replaced.

Draft-board members can serve no more than 20 years. More than 11,000 men and women sit on draft boards around the nation, records show....
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NEVER SAY NEVER. I can see the reinstallation of the draft by this band of neochickenhawks.
This "war on terror" is an unending war with limitless enemies and no clear, defined outcomes.
If GWB is reelected, it is entirely possible that he will reinstate the draft. How utterly ironic.
:disgust:

 

[chess9]

As I said in an earlier post, the draft is being pushed-albeit sotto voce-at the highest levels of the Pentagon. I have doubts it will fly in a Republican Congress because too many people remember all the draftees who came home and bad mouthed the war in 'Nam.

Personally, I support the draft.

Should be an interesting fight though.

-Robert

 

[Red Dawn]

Well if they do reinstate it I hope there is no deferments for going to college and that Politicians children don't get preferential treatment. BTW, do women have to register with the SS now? If not they should!

 

[chess9]

Red:

I agree, women should register and serve in all reasonable capacities.

-Robert

 

[SNC]

I think a draft to serve your country is a good idea.
I should restate that. I think that all Americans should server in some way.
Not just the 4 major branches, I mean helping the less fortunate, the elderly, cleaning up the inner city and such.
It would teach a job skill, learn respect, help with the drug problem, and go a long way to curb violence.

Just my $0.02

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[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SNC
I think a draft to serve your country is a good idea.
I should restate that. I think that all Americans should server in some way.
Not just the 4 major branches, I mean helping the less fortunate, the elderly, cleaning up the inner city and such.
It would teach a job skill, learn respect, help with the drug problem, and go a long way to curb violence.

Just my $0.02

@

I don't think we'd be able to afford it though!

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: chess9
As I said in an earlier post, the draft is being pushed-albeit sotto voce-at the highest levels of the Pentagon. I have doubts it will fly in a Republican Congress because too many people remember all the draftees who came home and bad mouthed the war in 'Nam.

Personally, I support the draft.

Should be an interesting fight though.

-Robert

Whoever is telling you that a draft is being pushed for is an outright liar or you're making it up. No one is pushing for a draft anywhere. Retention and recruitment are at record or near record levels and there is absolutely no reason to even be contemplating a draft. Sorry.

 

[chess9]

UltraQuiet:

If no one is pushing for a draft-your words, not mine-then why are at least two bills to re-establish the draft sitting in Congress? Is everyone else dreaming but you?
Simply because you served in the military doesn't mean you have a clue what is happening at the Pentagon. Do you speak to O-7+ and/or G-16+ and/or political appointees at the Pentagon? I didn't think so....

Anyway, I can't vouch for the authenticity of what I was told any more than you can deny it, but it does square with what is happening in Congress and this issue is getting some light on the talk shows as well.


-Robert

 

[UltraQuiet]

UltraQuiet:

If no one is pushing for a draft-your words, not mine-then why are at least two bills to re-establish the draft sitting in Congress? Is everyone else dreaming but you?

How old are those bills? When was the last time they had any movement? Who propsoed them and do they have any chance of ever moving out of committee?

Simply because you served in the military doesn't mean you have a clue what is happening at the Pentagon. Do you speak to O-7+ and/or G-16+ and/or political appointees at the Pentagon? I didn't think so....

I have no idea what G-16 is but I'll assume you mean senior GS/ES personnell and the answer to your question is Yes and Yes. I work at a place called the Navy Manpower Analysis Center. I work on a base where the Chief of Naval Personnel and the Chief of Naval Recruiting both reside. I work, socialize and go to school with some fairly senior people in Naval personnel. I'd say I'm in a pretty good position to call BS on this little rumor.

Anyway, I can't vouch for the authenticity of what I was told any more than you can deny it, but it does square with what is happening in Congress and this issue is getting some light on the talk shows as well.

Like I said I'm in a very good position to call BS but you're right it does square with what is happening in Congress, which is nothing, and on the "talk" shows which, again, is nothing. But you believe whatever you want, Bobby.

 

[chess9]

UltraQuiet:

Well, since you are so certain of your position, we'll be sure to come back to you when this issue gets serious attention. I agree that it seems to be going nowhere in Congress at the moment and I also doubt it will be get out of Congress alive because the Republicans aren't supporting it.

Also, your appeal to authority is pretty amusing. I'm sure you have regular conversations with the CNP....

-Robert

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Actually, the bill in question IS in fact for a reinstatement of a National Draft. And my raging lefty ass supports this 100%. Why?



POPULAR TITLE:
Reinstate draft bill (identified by CRS)

SHORT TITLE: Universal National Service Act of 2003

OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED: To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

SUMMARY AS OF 1/7/2003: Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.


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So all citizens should be forced by the government to join the military? Goodbye freedom. Hello oppression!

Again you prove that you don't read anything before spouting off your Limbaughsian diatribe. I even bolded the important part for you. See how it says "or a period of civilian service"?

or ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôr; r when unstressed)
conj.

1.
1. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.
2. Used to indicate the second of two alternatives, the first being preceded by either or whether: Your answer is either ingenious or wrong. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Both alternatives are a form of oppression. It is a form of control that the gov't would have over your life. Throughout history, it's been small steps like this that have been what caused the complete loss of freedom. In Rome, do you think people just woke up one day and found that they no longer had any rights or freedoms? No. It took many many years of slowly eroding their rights with crap like you are proposing. The gov't claims it's all for the good of the state. Once people agree to perfrom military service or civilian services (for those who are unfit to join the military) then they can start forcing us to do other things. Yea, it is a slippery slope and you can call it a fallacy if you want, but history is on my side and shows that what I am saying is true. Do you really think that man has changed in all this time? Do you really think that our leaders wouldn't enslave us all and make us their peasents if they could? Of course they would.

I also find your comments highly offensive since I have NEVER in my life listened to Limbough. It just shows your bias and that you really don't care what I have to say. You are more interested in name calling and finger pointing than debating.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Every year since they ended the draft, there has been at least one bill submitted to re-activate it. Part of me wouldn't mind seeing a mandatory Civil Service tour either with the Military, Army Corp of Engineers etc... Not all Civil Service jobs are in a war zone and MOST (outside of the military) don't require being shot at. Also since most federal jobs come with great access to college funds or grants what a way to prepare for the cost of school.

 

[Michael]

chess9 - The two bills that were submitted were "gadfly" bills that were created as an anti-war protest. Rangel has been arguing that if everyone was drafted then there would be no war.

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As for the people crying "oppression":

The bills that are sitting in committee don't seem to require more than many other democracies require - a few years of service after high school. Lots of countries have mandatory military service. There is no natural conflict between democracy and military service.

Michael

 

[Moonbeam]

The command to send troups into battle should automatically require the death penalty for those making the decission. Then a draft would be OK because the war would surely be needed and all alternatives explored.

 

[Ferocious]

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Selective service says no draft coming. Everything is normal.

Do not worry.

Be happy.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
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Selective service says no draft coming. Everything is normal.

Do not worry.

Be happy.

Who was worrying?

 

[chess9]

"Rather, the Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when the President and the Congress so direct. This responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new. Further, both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq. Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore, Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be prepared as is required by law, and to register young men who are ages 18 through 25. "

Why bother if the draft is so remote as this message implies?

-Robert