Driving stick..

[DaLeroy]

Originally posted by: BachelorNumber1
You need to set the handbrake when stopped on a hill. It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion. So, when its time to go, you just drive forward as normal. Once you have the forward motion, you release the handbrake.

I'm willing to bet that 30-50% of people who post on Anandtech have got NO idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even BEEN in a car? The amount of bullsh*t that is thrown around here as gospel truth is unbelievable!!!!!!! :disgust:

 

[mithrandir2001]

Originally posted by: DaLeroy

Originally posted by: BachelorNumber1
You need to set the handbrake when stopped on a hill. It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion. So, when its time to go, you just drive forward as normal. Once you have the forward motion, you release the handbrake.

I'm willing to bet that 30-50% of people who post on Anandtech have got NO idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even BEEN in a car? The amount of bullsh*t that is thrown around here as gospel truth is unbelievable!!!!!!! :disgust:

Hmmm, actually I think the advice is pretty sound. Use the handbrake, just release it before the car actually goes forward (which the parking brake will allow if you give the engine enough throttle).

 

[DaLeroy]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001

Originally posted by: DaLeroy

Originally posted by: BachelorNumber1
You need to set the handbrake when stopped on a hill. It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion. So, when its time to go, you just drive forward as normal. Once you have the forward motion, you release the handbrake.

I'm willing to bet that 30-50% of people who post on Anandtech have got NO idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even BEEN in a car? The amount of bullsh*t that is thrown around here as gospel truth is unbelievable!!!!!!! :disgust:

Hmmm, actually I think the advice is pretty sound. Use the handbrake, just release it before the car actually goes forward (which the parking brake will allow if you give the engine enough throttle).

He wrote 'It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion" A handbrake stops the back wheels from turning. Of course applying enough acceleration is going to let you move forward, as would applying enough force to the front of the car make it move backwards with it on. But it isn't DESIGNED to allow the car to move forward with it on. It lets you do hill-starts, but you don't DRIVE forward with the handbrake on, you release it at the clutch 'grabbing' point!

 

[DaLeroy]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001

Originally posted by: DaLeroy

Originally posted by: BachelorNumber1
You need to set the handbrake when stopped on a hill. It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion. So, when its time to go, you just drive forward as normal. Once you have the forward motion, you release the handbrake.

I'm willing to bet that 30-50% of people who post on Anandtech have got NO idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even BEEN in a car? The amount of bullsh*t that is thrown around here as gospel truth is unbelievable!!!!!!! :disgust:

Hmmm, actually I think the advice is pretty sound. Use the handbrake, just release it before the car actually goes forward (which the parking brake will allow if you give the engine enough throttle).

He wrote 'It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion" A handbrake stops the back wheels from turning. Of course applying enough acceleration is going to let you move forward, as would applying enough force to the front of the car make it move backwards with it on. But it isn't DESIGNED to allow the car to move forward with it on. It lets you do hill-starts, but you don't DRIVE forward with the handbrake on, you release it at the clutch 'grabbing' point!

Ok, might have been a bit harsh with my first post, if I re-read his, but it came across the first time as the handbrake is designed to let you move forward, but not backwards...

 

[amdskip]

I don't ride the clutch at all. When I was first learning, my dad made sure I knew riding the clutch was extremely hard on the car.

 

[Lithium381]

i thought the law was that it's the person behind you's fault........for being too close, yeah, use the brake.....don't sit on the clutch

 

[N8Magic]

Personally if i'm on a steep hill, i'll stay on the normal brake pedal until it's time to move.

When it's time to move, I let the clutch out slowly until it starts to grab, and release the pressure on the brake pedal. This ensures you don't roll backwards, and limits wear on the clutch.

 

[Nocturnal]

if someone is right behind you and you cant balance with the clutch, what you can do is hold your e-brake up and go from there.

 

[DeadHead]

Originally posted by: Lithium381
i thought the law was that it's the person behind you's fault........for being too close, yeah, use the brake.....don't sit on the clutch

I also heard it was the person behind you fault.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: Yield
I never roll.. I maintain clutch/gas when I am on a hill

This feels good but is VERY harmful to your car. This is what handbrakes are for (well, one thing, anyway!). It annoys me that some manufacturers are making cars with manual transmissions and a foot-actuated E-brake (a friend's Ford Ranger truck is like this), which makes the job tougher. In any case, this practice will lead to a quick death for your clutch, so I suggest you learn to use the handbrake instead.

You're not really supposed to use the handbrake either...

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: Stifko
I like to stay in 1st gear and not use the brake at all. Try to balance the clutch so the car doesn't go forward or roll back. Then when the light changes, just give some gas and let the clutch out.

If you have any consideration for your transmition NEVER do that.
Just use the hand brake

In a couple of years this problem should be gone since more car makers are introducing "hill brake control" or something like that which prevents the car from rolling backwards in steep hills. ie: 2003 Subaru Forester

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
the roll is annoying. i often wonder whose fault it would be if someone got right behind you on a hill and you bumped rolling back. probably yours even though the jerk was 4 inches off your bumper.

Iam pretty sure both of u would get part blame. You for not beeing in control of your car and the one behind for driving way too close. And if u cant get going fast enough with your manual to not roll back try to support with your handbrake and u wont roll back, u feel when the clutch is engaging and can ease of the handbrake

 

[ThisIsMatt]

Originally posted by: mithrandir2001

Originally posted by: DaLeroy

Originally posted by: BachelorNumber1
You need to set the handbrake when stopped on a hill. It prevents the car from rolling backwards, but allows forward motion. So, when its time to go, you just drive forward as normal. Once you have the forward motion, you release the handbrake.

I'm willing to bet that 30-50% of people who post on Anandtech have got NO idea what they're talking about. Have you ever even BEEN in a car? The amount of bullsh*t that is thrown around here as gospel truth is unbelievable!!!!!!! :disgust:

Hmmm, actually I think the advice is pretty sound. Use the handbrake, just release it before the car actually goes forward (which the parking brake will allow if you give the engine enough throttle).

Pretty sound? WTF? The handbrake doesn't have any bias about working forwards or backwards -- this is very bad advice.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

Originally posted by: N8Magic
Personally if i'm on a steep hill, i'll stay on the normal brake pedal until it's time to move.

When it's time to move, I let the clutch out slowly until it starts to grab, and release the pressure on the brake pedal. This ensures you don't roll backwards, and limits wear on the clutch.

I think we have a winner folks...

 

[CTho9305]

Get out and tell the jerk to back up unless he doesn't mind you resting your car against his front bumper

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

In a couple of years this problem should be gone since more car makers are introducing "hill brake control" or something like that which prevents the car from rolling backwards in steep hills. ie: 2003 Subaru Forester

I think this is patented by Subaru, who have used it for several years, and I am unaware of anyone else licensing it, so unfortunately I think the problem is here to stay for us non-Subie drivers.

 

[joe678]

Originally posted by: N8Magic
Personally if i'm on a steep hill, i'll stay on the normal brake pedal until it's time to move.

When it's time to move, I let the clutch out slowly until it starts to grab, and release the pressure on the brake pedal. This ensures you don't roll backwards, and limits wear on the clutch.

sorry new driving stick only done it couple of times, but whats wrong with just using the regular break pedal on a hill and then using the clutch and shift when the light turns?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

In a couple of years this problem should be gone since more car makers are introducing "hill brake control" or something like that which prevents the car from rolling backwards in steep hills. ie: 2003 Subaru Forester

I think this is patented by Subaru, who have used it for several years, and I am unaware of anyone else licensing it, so unfortunately I think the problem is here to stay for us non-Subie drivers.

You have to admit that would be a great help to have in San Francisco...with the fact that the hills are so level

I went there once and was in the ear seat of the car when we went over what seemed to be a "small" crest


When I looked down the other side, I nearly crapped my pants..I was like we were driving down a mountain.....

Driving stick must suck there..not to mention being DANGEROUS AS HELL


My friends always tell me stories of randomnly seeing cars rolling down streets

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SaintGRW

Originally posted by: Stifko
I like to stay in 1st gear and not use the brake at all. Try to balance the clutch so the car doesn't go forward or roll back. Then when the light changes, just give some gas and let the clutch out.

that'll burn your clutch, and yeah if you roll into them it's your fault because your supposed to be in control of your vehicle and it shouldn't be rolling backwards..bla bla gay laws

Actually, if it's only like 6 inches or a foot that you roll back then it would be the guy behind you's fault for failure to maintain clear distance. IIRC the law in Ohio is that you are supposed to stop at least 3 feet behind the person in front of you at a stop signal. If you're rolling backward 3 feet or more, you shouldn't be driving a stick. Personally, I just hold the brake until I take off, but I start letting the clutch out before I let off the brake. This way, I can just put my foot on the gas and go. I don't usually roll back more than a couple inches. If I'm bored though, I'll just sit there doing the ol' pull forward, coast backward, pull forward, coast backward. That maneuver is also handy for illustrating the fact that you have a stick-shift to the guy behind you who decided to pull up within an inch or two from your bumper.

If you're good at judging distance and good with the clutch, you can really scare those types by making them think you're going to roll back into them, and then pulling forward at the last moment.

ZV

 

[RaySun2Be]

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: N8Magic
Personally if i'm on a steep hill, i'll stay on the normal brake pedal until it's time to move.

When it's time to move, I let the clutch out slowly until it starts to grab, and release the pressure on the brake pedal. This ensures you don't roll backwards, and limits wear on the clutch.

I think we have a winner folks...

That's all very well and good IF you have a hand brake, and not a foot brake like I do in my S10.

Much better to learn how to manage the brake, gas and clutch pedals without depending on a handbrake. Just takes some practice.

One can also learn to shift up and down the gears without using the clutch. Handy in case the clutch linkage breaks.

(happened to me one time in a work truck. had to learn real quick. drove the thing around several days without a working clutch pedal before the owner got it fixed. Got to where I could up and down shift all gears, although downshifting into granny gear was a pain)

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You have to admit that would be a great help to have in San Francisco...with the fact that the hills are so level

I went there once and was in the ear seat of the car when we went over what seemed to be a "small" crest


When I looked down the other side, I nearly crapped my pants..I was like we were driving down a mountain.....

Driving stick must suck there..not to mention being DANGEROUS AS HELL


My friends always tell me stories of randomnly seeing cars rolling down streets

I lived in SF for about five years, and had no problem with driving stick there. It can be a gut-check at times, though.

 

[ThisIsMatt]

Originally posted by: RaySun2Be

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt

Originally posted by: N8Magic
Personally if i'm on a steep hill, i'll stay on the normal brake pedal until it's time to move.

When it's time to move, I let the clutch out slowly until it starts to grab, and release the pressure on the brake pedal. This ensures you don't roll backwards, and limits wear on the clutch.

I think we have a winner folks...

That's all very well and good IF you have a hand brake, and not a foot brake like I do in my S10.

Much better to learn how to manage the brake, gas and clutch pedals without depending on a handbrake. Just takes some practice.

One can also learn to shift up and down the gears without using the clutch. Handy in case the clutch linkage breaks.

(happened to me one time in a work truck. had to learn real quick. drove the thing around several days without a working clutch pedal before the owner got it fixed. Got to where I could up and down shift all gears, although downshifting into granny gear was a pain)

Re-read N8's post and my agreement with it

 

[Confused]

I think this is one area where the UK is better than the US!

The majority of people over here learn to drive in a manual (stick shift) car rather than an automatic. Cos if you learn in a manual, you can drive an auto without any probs (legal probs that is ) but if you learn in an auto you have to take another test in a manual.

Therefore most people learn in a manual car. I was always taught to use the handbrake when stopping on a hill, then when i want to pull away, get the biting point on the clutch then release the handbrake, then you'll pull away nicely

I've done this on a 25-30 degree hill (road where one of my friends lives, the steepest in my home town) and pulled away without rolling back.

I also sometimes sit there on the clutch on a hill, normally at tickover RPM as well. Tho if this is any more than 10-20 seconds i'll just chuck the handbrake on, or sit on the foot brake, then just do some quick shifting of feet from the brake to the accelerator (gas) while my other foot sits on the clutch the whole time. Doing this i've never rolled back more than 1-2 inches, even on this steep hill!

Just takes a little practice, and is great for learning the biting point of the clutch in the car!

 

[mithrandir2001]

Originally posted by: Confused
I was always taught to use the handbrake when stopping on a hill, then when i want to pull away, get the biting point on the clutch then release the handbrake, then you'll pull away nicely

Yes, exactly.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Stifko
I like to stay in 1st gear and not use the brake at all. Try to balance the clutch so the car doesn't go forward or roll back. Then when the light changes, just give some gas and let the clutch out.

NO! That is very bad for the clutch... it will wear out in no time.