Drug Cartels - Any solution possible?

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K1052

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Why can't you grow coffee here like that of Colombia?

Arguably most of the weed grown inside the US is far better than it's central/south American counterparts. If it ever went to commercial scale it would probably be preferable for companies to cultivate indoors.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Arguably most of the weed grown inside the US is far better than it's central/south American counterparts. If it ever went to commercial scale it would probably be preferable for companies to cultivate indoors.

For some things true, but cocaine is difficult. Granted it's not an argument against the concept, and I'm not arguing against it at least in principle, but I don't think it's a solution that's magic.
 

BoberFett

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For some things true, but cocaine is difficult. Granted it's not an argument against the concept, and I'm not arguing against it at least in principle, but I don't think it's a solution that's magic.

Do you honestly think that if the US legalized sale and use, that production would remain illegal elsewhere? Other governments maintain their drug war based on pressure from our government. Legalization would turn drugs into just another cash crop.
 

fskimospy

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Do you honestly think that if the US legalized sale and use, that production would remain illegal elsewhere? Other governments maintain their drug war based on pressure from our government. Legalization would turn drugs into just another cash crop.

Yes, very much this. There are a lot of considerations, but in many countries, specifically in the developing world, states face huge pressure from the US to keep drugs illegal and to implement ever stricter enforcement mechanisms.
 

Theb

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Until recently, there was an implicit understanding between the regional governments and the cartels wrt the drug trade. Legalize it and they will also go legit. They're flexible like that.

If it's as easy as going legit and that would change nothing, why do the cartels bother with illegal drugs? Why not export furniture or produce?

Legalizing one drug still leaves the others. It will be a while before all states legalize marijuana.

Yeah it's a pipe dream. It's going to be a long time before marijuana is legal in all 50 states and it will be a very long time before even one state looks at decriminalizing any other drugs.
 

unokitty

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Do you honestly think that if the US legalized sale and use, that production would remain illegal elsewhere? Other governments maintain their drug war based on pressure from our government. Legalization would turn drugs into just another cash crop.


'This Is Working': Portugal, 12 Years after Decriminalizing Drugs

Solution is obvious. Decriminalization works in Portugal. Why not try it here? Or legalization? Or whatever?

It is also obvious that the government is losing the war on drugs and it is throwing billions of dollars down the drain in the process.

Legalize it. Tax it. Open the prisons. Throw the non violent drug offenders back on the street. Throw the DEA out of work.

From my perspective, drugs aren't a problem. Violence associated with drugs is a problem Legalize drugs and criminals won't have the cash flow to buy guns. And the gangs will stop having turf wars over who gets to sell drugs on what corner. And, it will also dry up the cash flow that gangs use to buy guns.

Solution is obvious. Country needs to get out of denial. Drug war was lost a long time ago.

Tax it. Change it from a liability to an asset.

Only question now, is how long the government will continue to throw money down the drain.

Uno
 

Juddog

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'This Is Working': Portugal, 12 Years after Decriminalizing Drugs

Solution is obvious. Decriminalization works in Portugal. Why not try it here? Or legalization? Or whatever?

It is also obvious that the government is losing the war on drugs and it is throwing billions of dollars down the drain in the process.

Legalize it. Tax it. Open the prisons. Throw the non violent drug offenders back on the street. Throw the DEA out of work.

From my perspective, drugs aren't a problem. Violence associated with drugs is a problem Legalize drugs and criminals won't have the cash flow to buy guns. And the gangs will stop having turf wars over who gets to sell drugs on what corner. And, it will also dry up the cash flow that gangs use to buy guns.

Solution is obvious. Country needs to get out of denial. Drug war was lost a long time ago.

Tax it. Change it from a liability to an asset.

Only question now, is how long the government will continue to throw money down the drain.

Uno

You beat me to it; I was actually going to post about Portugal as well.
 

Genx87

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Until recently, there was an implicit understanding between the regional governments and the cartels wrt the drug trade. Legalize it and they will also go legit. They're flexible like that.

I have never heard this but if true the drop in profit margins will reduce their ability to essentially wage war. Or make it so a war isnt worth the rewards. They will also be able to use the judicial system to settle disputes instead of street justice.
 
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Doppel

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Legalize marijuana.

Kill demand in US on hard druga by publishing names of all drug convicts to shame users but knock out suppliers by creating a huge snitch program, offering lucrative money to people who's snitching takes out dealers; scale it based on how extensive the snitched-out dealer's involvement was.

Within Mexico borders I don't have any idea, the place is just so fucked and yes some of these mules are forced to do it.
 

Genx87

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Legalize marijuana.

Kill demand in US on hard druga by publishing names of all drug convicts to shame users but knock out suppliers by creating a huge snitch program, offering lucrative money to people who's snitching takes out dealers; scale it based on how extensive the snitched-out dealer's involvement was.

Within Mexico borders I don't have any idea, the place is just so fucked and yes some of these mules are forced to do it.

Shaming has done so well in other areas right? Lets be serious here and realize public shaming means little in a modern society. With the amount of money involved knocking out one dealer only elevates somebody else to take his place. The easiest and only way to take the money out of it is to legalize all drugs. Let drug dealers compete with Walmart.
 

Spungo

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I have never heard this but if true the drop in profit margins will reduce their ability to essentially wage war.
Why would they need to wage war? Criminals similar to Al Capone turned into legit business men when alcohol was legalized. There was no longer a need to have guns and do drive by shootings. When is the last time a company like Budweiser had a shootout with federal marshals?
 

Genx87

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Why would they need to wage war? Criminals similar to Al Capone turned into legit business men when alcohol was legalized. There was no longer a need to have guns and do drive by shootings. When is the last time a company like Budweiser had a shootout with federal marshals?

They wouldnt and you explained exactly why.
 

SaurusX

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What about killing them all? With enough firepower and enough will, then it's perfectly doable. I saw it done in The Godfather.
 

Genx87

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What about killing them all? With enough firepower and enough will, then it's perfectly doable. I saw it done in The Godfather.

We cant kill them off with the amount of profits to be made in black market trading. Just like we cant kill every terrorist in the world.
 

ch33zw1z

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legalize, let natural selection run its course, and watch the drug cartels disappear.
 

wirednuts

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legalize all drugs under doctors supervision. legalize marijuana for recreational use. send us military to mexico and punk those little bitches down there. all problems solved.
 

xj0hnx

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Legalize marijuana.

Kill demand in US on hard druga by publishing names of all drug convicts to shame users but knock out suppliers by creating a huge snitch program, offering lucrative money to people who's snitching takes out dealers; scale it based on how extensive the snitched-out dealer's involvement was.

Within Mexico borders I don't have any idea, the place is just so fucked and yes some of these mules are forced to do it.

lol hard drug users don't give a fuck what you think, shaming would be for your own sadist enjoyment, but it would do nothing otherwise.
 

Dari

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If it's as easy as going legit and that would change nothing, why do the cartels bother with illegal drugs? Why not export furniture or produce?



Yeah it's a pipe dream. It's going to be a long time before marijuana is legal in all 50 states and it will be a very long time before even one state looks at decriminalizing any other drugs.

Because the profit margins are astronomical.

I have never heard this but if true the drop in profit margins will reduce their ability to essentially wage war. Or make it so a war isnt worth the rewards. They will also be able to use the judicial system to settle disputes instead of street justice.

Yeah, when it comes to marijuana at least, there has always been an understanding going back over a century in Mexico...
 

PieIsAwesome

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The issue in Mexico isn't the drugs or the brutality. Brutality is a part of their culture, it dates back to the Mayan empire.

Lol wut? What do Mayans have to do with anything?

Topic: A force from the U.S. would be resistant to corruption, but no one in Mexico is going to want foreigners, least of all yanks, to be patrolling their streets. They'd rather have the cartels.
 

Spungo

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legalize all drugs under doctors supervision.
We already do that and it doesn't work. You can get crystal meth from your doctor but this has done nothing to slow the amount of meth coming in from mexican cartels.


You can also get regular speed from your doctor.


Doctors give out morphine and other drugs similar to heroin. This one doesn't need a picture because everybody already knows what oxy looks like. Oxy is pretty bad but it still seems like a step in the right direction. A ton of people got HIV by sharing heroin needles. You probably won't get HIV from oxy pills.


Why do you think the profit margins are astronomical?
Because it's drugs. Starbucks is worth billions from selling legal coffee. Novartis made billions on Ritalin. Tobacco is worth billions. Cocaine is worth billions. Opium is worth billions. One could lump chocolate in there as well. The British empire was built on tea.
 

werepossum

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That will never happen because drugs are an important part of human evolution. We've been consuming drugs longer than we've been wearing clothes. We even evolved to have the ability to consume coffee and tea. Coffee is poisonous to most other mammals. Tobacco, cocaine, marijuana, and opium go back thousands of years.

The GOP is right when they say the government promises a lot of stupid things. The government thinks it can stop drugs? Really? Can they also stop time and change the rotation of the earth? Can we turn bunnies into gold? Make humans stop having a powerful experience after consuming certain types of mushroom?
In our defense, it's hard to wear clothes when you're on drugs. This is true even if one is wearing clothes before taking the drugs. Especially meth.

Yeah... End the drug war. Stop giving them incentive to commit the crimes they commit.

My favorite topic to bring up is Meth. Goto the pharmacy and you're likely going to see a posting of the pharma legislature where they have to make it hard for people to obtain cold/allergy medicine which a wily drug fiend could use to manufacture meth...

Awesome, right?

No... Because guess what? Instead of having as many hillbillies running around cooking meth, a chunk of the meth business has been given to the mexican cartels.

Pot another big one. States are starting to legalize it. If everybody legalized it, that's yet another huge chunk of cartel business.

So, If you can stop sending them assault rifles and stop demanding their supply, you squash them.
Well, gotta look at the bright side. At least when the cartels' meth labs blow up, they are safely in other countries.

Legalize marijuana.

Kill demand in US on hard druga by publishing names of all drug convicts to shame users but knock out suppliers by creating a huge snitch program, offering lucrative money to people who's snitching takes out dealers; scale it based on how extensive the snitched-out dealer's involvement was.

Within Mexico borders I don't have any idea, the place is just so fucked and yes some of these mules are forced to do it.
We kind of have a huge snitch program now with meth. Get busted for cooking meth and you're looking at some hard time - unless you turn in some other disfigured meth head. Then you get out on low bail, so you can immediately begin cooking a shitload of meth so that you can afford a good lawyer.
 

Doppel

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We kind of have a huge snitch program now with meth. Get busted for cooking meth and you're looking at some hard time - unless you turn in some other disfigured meth head. Then you get out on low bail, so you can immediately begin cooking a shitload of meth so that you can afford a good lawyer.
What about a full on monetized snitch program, though. Drug heads love money, so make them rich by turning in other drug heads, of course the unfortunate side effect is that now the remaining ones have even more money for drugs, so maybe that won't work.
 
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