drugs vs alcohol

[Deeko]

This will provide you with enough links.
effetcs of marijuana

 

[Deeko]

Oh ok so you don't get the CO, still get the THC? Yea I thought so. And smoking is the most common anyway.

 

[loup garou]

argh! How are they "facts" if the source is biased one way or the other! I didn't post any links to High Times or anything. And didn't you read that there are other ways of ingesting it, negating the carbon monoxide factor, and that if you burned almost anything and inhaled it, you'd incur the ill effects of carbon monoxide? You're unbelievably hard-headed.

BTW, the original post was:



<< can anyone give me any good reasons why pot is illegal but alcohol is legal?? >>



I have given reasons that show that those who ingest marijuana are doing less damage to their bodies than those who ingest alcohol, a legal substance. All you are saying is &quot;marijuana is bad...m'kay?&quot; I can understand if you think that marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco should all be illegal...but (and I've said this a million times) who are you tell people what they can and can't do to their own bodies? (and please, please, please don't bring up abortion...please)

 

[Deeko]

vi_edit: Who cares if it is fatal directly or not, it has direct effects fatal or not. And plenty have died indirectly because of it. What are you trying to argue? Alcohol, marijuana, tobacco products, any drug, they are all bad. You cannot say that marijuana is healthy or can have no ill effects on your health.

 

[apoppin]

I didn't want to get involved, however Deeko, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Your posts are full of misinformation (as well as horrible grammar, spelling, etc.).

You mind is absolutely made up against marijuana. In my opinion this is a good thing. You never want to even try it and that is also a good thing - no doubt its effects would be bad for YOU. If you don't wish any drug, that is well and good - it IS better to go through life sober.

However, don't judge others by your shortsighted and ill-informed views. If you just do a search on this forum (Keywords: Drugs, Pot, Marijuana) you will learn a lot. The US Government has strong bias against legalizing pot and doesn't hesitate to twist the truth. They even try to block marijuana's use for legitimate humane medical reasons.

I am afraid you are going to grow up to be another ill-informed voting adult with a strong Government/DARE influenced hysteria against marijuana, willing to jail others for choosing actions contrary to your own. Too bad.

 

[vi edit]

Deeko, I never said it wasn't harmful; what I am saying is that it is less harmful than alcohol, especially when injested, rather than inhaled.

 

[loup garou]

Ok, went through the first 5 or so links. First one..study on ecstasy and marijuana usage, second one prenatal effects...no one should smoke anything or drink while pregnant (duh), third one...does not say if effects are permanent, fourth one...in rats (come one, at least I gave you links to studies with human trials), fifth one...statistical (no conclusions), sixth one...same as fifth, seventh one...of course no one should drive while under the influence of anything, eighth...my links have trials done by just as objective and respectful organizations that say the opposite (plus this is hard to measure, lots of other outside influences), and MARIJUANA ASSOCIATED WITH VIOLENCE, ETC???? Come on, man...that one makes the whole list a joke. What is that site, Reefer Madness 2000?

I agree that no one should smoke or drink anything while pregnant, and no one should drive a car while under the influence of anything, because you risk the lives of others. But what the hell is so wrong with someone under their own will smoking a joint or eating a brownie in the privacy of their own home? Really!?

 

[Deeko]

I'm not the only one that's hard headed here. Are any of you saying that anything I'm saying is right? Everything I've posted has had fact to it. So it can't all be false. And I have shown facts, not just &quot;it's bad&quot;. And I don't think alcohol should be illegal. Millions take that with no problem. Yea, I obviously read that you don't have to smoke it, since I did reply about it. What's the difference if they are biased or not??? I can be biased that I am typing on a keyboard, and some people may be idiots and disagree(maybe because they are high?), but it's still a fact. Argh...if you want to refer to the original question...Like I've said before, find a percentage of people who drink alcohol and die, and a percentage of people who use marijuana and die. I bet you the first is lower.

 

[apoppin]

ALL drugs are harmful (as compared to NO drugs).

Aspirin is implicated in many deaths a year. Many pharmaceutical prescribed drugs for pain have serious side effects. Marijuana, on the other hand, as a long-term analgesic has relatively few side-effects and has NEVER caused a single death.

Yet the US Government has blocked and twisted medical studies results to deny suffering patients this beneficial pain-killing drug. Fortunately, the medical establishments of other more enlightened European countries have told the truth.

 

[loup garou]

Here.

Now shut up if that is all you want.

 

[loup garou]

Oh and what do I win? For those of you too lazy to click:



<< How Dangerous is Marijuana
....in comparison to other substances?

Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeaon Generals' reports. (figures are for 1988 from the federal government's Bureau of Mortality Statistics and the National Institute on Drug Abuse....


Tobacco 340,000 to 425,000
Alcohol (not including 50% of all highway deaths
and 65% of all murders) 150,000
Aspirin (Including deliberate overdose) 180 to 1,000+
Caffeine (from stress, ulcers and triggering
irregular heartbeats, etc) 1,000 to 10,000
'Legal' Drug overdose (Deliberate or accidental)
from legal prescribed or patent medicines
or from mixing with alcohol (eg. Valium with
Alcohol) 14,000 to 27,000
Illicit Drug Overdose (deliberate or accidental)
from all illegal drugs 3,800 to 5,200
Theopoline (Pharmaceutical Drug legally prescribed
for asthma) 50
Theopoline is also responsible for 6,500
hospital admissions and 1,000 cases of
permanent brain damage per year.
Marijuana 0 (ZERO)

Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana-using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA: U.S. funded ($6 million) First and Second Jamaican studies, 1968 to 1974;Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al.
From &quot;The Emperor Wear No Clothes&quot; by Jack Herer

End
>>

 

[apoppin]

You lose that bet, Deeko.

Marijuana use has not lead to any deaths. There is no overdose threshold.

Almost everything you posted is false.

 

[loup garou]

I've changed my avatar just for you, Deeko.

 

[kamiam]

Deeko you will turn out to be one of those treehuggingbleedingheartLIBERAL government propaganda eating LEMMINGS and I hope you follow your brothers off a CLIFF


btw I am a LEGAL doctor approved pot smoker and there are MANY legitimite dr. approved uses for many medical ailments


your the type of miscreant that would try to take away my medicine


wishing you an early demise

 

[Deeko]

Whatever....I'm tired that may cause my spelling and grammer errors, sorry...don't know what that has to do with marijuana though. Anyway, I'm not judging anyone. Alot of my friends drink and smoke marijuana. But that doesn't mean that I don't think it is wrong or bad. I don't think anyone should go to jail for doing it. I just don't think they should do it. And I don't think of myself as misinformed....and I'd rather be misinformed enough to not do it than misinformed enough to do it. Werk...what's wrong with it? Well...the fact that it is bad for you might have something to do with it. Even your links said that it has some ill effects on mental processes. And as to your new link...directly, directly, directly. Didn't I already say that most of the deaths are indirect? Apoppin...how do you figure?

 

[veryape]

Because alcohol is &quot;socially acceptable&quot; and puting a spike in your arm is'nt. Also when your strung out on dope,you'll tend to do whatever it takes to get cash for more,which is quite expensive if you have a good sized habit. You really don't need to rob a bank to get drunk.

 

[Deeko]

You wish me an early demise do you? That's great...shows what kind of a person you are. That line has caused me to take everything you just said to mean nothing. Anyone who wishes anyone else dead has a problem. And you obviously don't know much about me. Because I don't like marijuana and alcohol makes me a tree hugger? Please. And this has NOTHING to do with medical marijuana. This is social and more serious marijuana usage. I'm sorry....tomorrow, so you and your medicine do better, I'll go willfully do something that I know is bad for me. Just so I can feal better for a little while. Good plan!

 

[apoppin]

How do I figure what?

I am assuming what you are referring to is my my calling all your information false.

It is false. ALL of your info is based on US Government propaganda and BS 'just say no' programs. All the weight of truthful evidence says you are wrong.

I had to do a lot of research. I read hundreds of books and all the latest information. I was suffering from severe pain after an automobile accident and NONE of the conventional analgesics were either working or else had severe side effects.

I finally decided to use marijuana. I discused it with my MD, neurosurgeon, therapists, accupuncture/herbalist doctor. They ALL told me there was nothing more effective and with less side-effects for killing pain over long term than my choice.

It's been a year since I quit smoking (since the pain has mostly gone). I don't plan on continuing either. However, I am certain of it's medical uses (which the US Government denies and trys to block).

 

[Deeko]

Alright fellas, I'm going to bed, as it is near midnight and I have to get up at 6 for school tomorrow. I will leave you with this. I reacted much stronger to this than I normally would have, this really is not that big a deal to me. It's the fact that people started to say things about ME, when I have yet to say something bad about marijuana USERS(ok I said pothead once, but if they don't mind marujana that's not an insult anyway). When people start saying things about ME and how I am a bad person and all that, i react strongly. Sorry about that.

 

[WetSprocket]

I thought this was a drugs Vs alcohol thread. Deeko you can start the propaganda in another thread. I'll say this weed is good(from my own experiences). I would rather my child smoke pot than drink or smoke cigarettes anyday.(If they made up their mind one way or another) I don't want to push my ideals on anyone I just would like to share my experiences and let someone make up their own mind. Scary isn't it. Letting someone make up their own mind.

 

[apoppin]

Deeko, personally I wish you the best. I do hope you remain drug-free.

I do wish that you would do research and learn why not to do drugs other than fear. Most of what you are quoting is false (and is so obvious). The real danger is when you really learn what you have been fed is wrong, the tendency is to go the other way and experiment (with worse and stronger drugs).

There is a lot of information available. Learn to train your perceptive abilities to distinguish from the hysterical propaganda and the truth. The truth is out there and readily available. Do some research. Look at the history of the anti-marijuana movement.

Then make a choice to not do it based on accurate knowledge, not lies.

EDIT: You said some pretty mean things yourself. It is unfortunate when a thread turns to name-calling.

Anyway, as to the answer to this topic, &quot;why alcohol is legal and pot isn't&quot; - it has to do with history and the choice the United States made back in the 1930s. Also the poor liberal judgement made during the Carter Administration, the stupidity of NORML at the time and the parent's backlash that led to the repressive Reagan Administration. Do some research.

Good night!

 

[loup garou]

I'm just going to ignore veryape's comments. Those were out of the blue...

Anyways, Here'sa study that has compounded direct and indirect deaths due to various preventable causes.



<< In developing its estimate for deaths caused by the illicit use of drugs, researchers include 'drug-related' deaths, such as: suicide, homicide, motor vehicle injury, HIV, pneumonia, hepatitis, endocarditis, infant deaths, and overdoses. >>



Now that's total deaths, direct and indirect combined...including all illegal drugs. Wouldn't that be the most important? Or is a person who dies in a car crash while high's life more important than the millions who die because of alcohol related diseases?

 

[The Dancing Peacock]

This kid is ridiculous. Go hang out with Nancy Reagan and take your D.A.R.E. class again, because you have obviously bought into the mentality hook line and sinker. Marijuana has never caused an overdoes death, as seen in werk's link. Marijuana will only have that much CO2 if it is smoked from a joint or blunt. If it is smoked out of a bong, the water filters some of the carcinogens and it cools the smoke down so that it doesn't scorch you. When it is smoked like this, the smoke does not contain nearly as many carcinogens as cigarettes.

The only reason marijuana is not legal is because William Randolph Hearst did not want hemp to be used for newspapers. He owned newspapers in addition to forests and manufacturing plants used to make pulp for paper. In the 30's a machine was invented to separate the hemp fibers to make paper-pulp more easily. He wanted to keep his monopoly on paper-pulp. He joined with DuPont Chemical who was creating synthetic chemicals to replace the hemp oil that was used in paints and instead of petroleum based products. The two of them used their influence in Congress to get hearings about marijuana use. Hearst, used his newspapers to promote stories about drug fiends who raped robbed and murdered. This generated enough public outcry for Congress to criminalize it in 1937. Up until that point it was legal in the U.S. Here is my conspiracy theory for the day. Scary thing is, is that it's basically true. :Q


late.

TDP

 

[novon]

deeko...

If you had some experiences it might help you to better understand everyone's positions. Eating weed once in a while has way more benefits than consequences. Be open minded, try it, and you'll see it's not so bad.

 

[DaLeroy]

Hi Guys!
Phew, this is getting into a heated discussion

My thoughts on the matter...
I HAVE smoked pot before, and I currently drink and smoke cigarettes. Now, Deeko is arguing from the wrong point of view, NO one dies from pot, you can't OD on it. My mate however has gone to hospital due to too many cookies However, it does affect your memory, I remember feeling very fuzzy headed in the morning after a nite out smoking etc. But then again so does alcholol. Cept it's generally worse, cos u get a HUGE headache the next morning.

However, each to their own, if you wanna smoke pot, go ahead smoke it, it does damage you to a certain extent, but so does ciggies and beer. Have to do something to enjoy life

Personally, i'd rather drink than smoke weed, driving and smoking leads to very 'interesting' trips home, then again, so does drinking and driving, but that's another story...

have fun

Leroy