Duke Nukem Forever on Steam

[Nik]

With all those points, what reason is there to give it...any kind of praise? What does it do that other games don't do better?

There are games that do everything in Minecraft better, but I played the FUCK out of that game.

Bigger isn't always better. Just because you had fun playing one game doesn't mean you can't have fun playing a different game and just because the two games are different doesn't justify hating on one because it's not just like the other.

 

[Red Hawk]

That is why his opinion is tainted. Anyone who is super hyped about any game is going to have an extreme review. They're either going to be pleased and review it as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, or they're going to be super let down and give it a hugely negative review.

The fact that he was super-hyped about the game is enough to completely discredit his opinion, in my eyes.

He's not a reviewer. He has a show dedicated to nothing more than him and his friends having fun playing games. He wasn't looking to be critical or evaluate the game, just have fun. If anything he would have given DNF an easy time because of the legacy and just be happy he has it. But he just didn't have fun, and didn't think the game was worth what he paid for.

 

[Nik]

None of that matters. He stupidly bought into the hype like so many do on every game and that's clouding his judgement just like every other hype-nazi. He's just another ... person not to listen to.

 

[Red Hawk]

The point is, he's not a reviewer who took Duke too seriously. He wanted to have fun. In his "sober second thought" video he says that going into it he knew that it was a 12-year-old boondoggle that wouldn't measure up to modern video game standards. However, the advertising campaign led him to believe that at least it would be a fun "nostalgia feast". And really, how hard would that be to accomplish? But he didn't have fun. He doesn't just think it was a mediocre game, he thinks it was a bad game.

 

[Nik]

There's no reason to think it's a bad game. Especially knowing what you're getting in to, there's no reason at all, whatsoever, to label DNF a bad game.

THAT is why his opinion is pointless.

 

[Red Hawk]

Then what's a reason to call it a good, or even mediocre, game?

 

[apoppin]

Tell that to this guy: http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/06/duke-nukem-is-awesome-but-his-game-is-awful/. He has a whole show just about having fun with games. He's a big DN3D fan and was super-hyped about this game. But he didn't have fun playing it.

I haven't played the game, but what is the appeal? Is it a nostalgic throwback? No, it adopts the same regenerating health and 2 weapon limit of current games. Does it have the same quality of game design as the top tier titles that it simultaneously mocks and borrows from? Nope. Is it funny? If you think piss and crap is funny, sure; if not, screw you! Is it good to look at? Not nearly. Is it sexy? If going on pointless fetch quests to get a lap dance does it for you, by all means. Does the multiplayer do anything to stand out? No. Is it a bunch of inexpensive fun, like an arcade title? Nope, it's being sold as a full price game.

With all those points, what reason is there to give it...any kind of praise? What does it do that other games don't do better?

i didn't bother reading *another* negative review -
-- they are all a C&P of bitter disappointment by DNF FANS - i.e. unreasoning fanatics

What is the appeal? Did you read any of my posts? - i am publishing my own review this weekend on ABT as soon as i finish Alice. NO!, it is NOT a nostalgic throwback to the original; it seeks to create its own new franchise.

DNF is a LOT of fun. It doesn't take itself seriously and you can have a good time with it if you are not easily offended. The corny one-liners fit, the enemies are non-stop and there is unending action. The bosses are bad and big and there are a lot of puzzles.

The graphics are decent and it is long enough for a modern game. Your quest for the stripper parodies the pointless quests so popular in modern FPS games; same with puzzles ("I hate pipe puzzles", Duke says). It manages to lampoon every FPS i can think of including itself and it does it well. In this way, it has its own kind of originality.

The two weapons limit differentiates it from games like Serious Sam; you make a choice and if make the right one, it is easy. More like style and the choice of the dev.

Finally, you say all of the humor is about piss and crap; it is not - clearly you are repeating what others say about it. But then a lot of the new movies also would offend these self-righteous reviewers; SuperBad comes to mind. If this is not your type of FPS, stay away from DNF. If you worship the original DNF, then you will get Anti-Christ instead of Jesus - sky-high expectations are always disappointed.
^_^

 

[WelshBloke]

So what I'm getting here from people who actually like the game is, "its OK if you don't expect it to be good and you don't have to pay full price for it". I think that still ranks as a Meh!

 

[Red Hawk]

ii didn't bother reading *another* negative review -
-- they are all a C&P of bitter disappointment by DNF FANS - i.e. unreasoning fanatics

What is the appeal? Did you read any of my posts? - i am publishing my own review this weekend on ABT as soon as i finish Alice.

DNF is a LOT of fun. It doesn't take itself seriously and you can have a good time with it if you are not easily offended. The corny one-liners fit, the enemies are non-stop and there is unending action. The bosses are bad and big and there are a lot of puzzles.

The graphics are decent and it is long enough for a modern game. Your quest for the stripper parodies the pointless quests so popular in modern FPS games; same with puzzles ("I hate pipe puzzles", Duke says). It manages to lampoon every FPS i can think of and it does it well. In this way, it has its own kind of originality.

Finally, you say all of the humor is about piss and crap; it is not - clearly you are repeating what others say about it. But then a lot of the new movies also would offend you and some of the self-righteous reviews. SuperBad comes to mind. If this is not your type of FPS, stay away from DNF. If you worship the original DNF, then you will get Anti-christ instead of Jesus - sky-high expectations are always disappointed.
^_^

That's just the thing. This guy is not a reviewer. He went into the game knowing is wasn't going to be high quality, but he was still expecting to have lots of fun. He didn't.

And if you're going to parody things as bad, don't actually DO them. Essentially, that's knowingly dragging your own game down!

 

[apoppin]

That's just the thing. This guy is not a reviewer. He went into the game knowing is wasn't going to be high quality, but he was still expecting to have lots of fun. He didn't.

Here's the thing. i am. i did. i didn't expect *anything*; i just heard negative things about it .. and i was very surprised that i had a lot of fun.
^_^

 

[Red Hawk]

Well, you're the minority. That doesn't make everyone else wrong. It is, after all, a matter of opinion. If they had a miserable experience playing it, that's what they review it for.

 

[Bonesdad]

There's no reason to think it's a bad game. Especially knowing what you're getting in to, there's no reason at all, whatsoever, to label DNF a bad game.

THAT is why his opinion is pointless.

Aren't all opinions pointless...to those that hold different opinions? His opinion isn't pointless, this argument is pointless.

 

[apoppin]

Well, you're the minority. That doesn't make everyone else wrong. It is, after all, a matter of opinion. If they had a miserable experience playing it, that's what they review it for.

Proud of it. My Minority Report makes sense and i can defend what i write. Not a hate spiel because a game didn't meet my own personal expectations as a fan.

i am also a game reviewer and i had a very good time playing it. My own DNF review will be up on by Monday on my own site.

 

[sandorski]

It's gonna rock!

 

[Red Hawk]

Proud of it. My Minority Report makes sense and i can defend what i write. Not a hate spiel because a game didn't meet my own personal expectations as a fan.

i am also a game reviewer and i had a very good time playing it. My own DNF review will be up on by Monday on my own site.

You also can't dismiss everyone else's opinion because their expectations were too high. Some just wanted some good ol', irreverent Duke Nukem fun that the trailers led them to believe they would get. The guy I referenced wasn't taking the game seriously, he just wanted fun, and he didn't have fun. "Critics just don't get it" is meaningless when you're defending something.

 

[apoppin]

You also can't dismiss everyone else's opinion because their expectations were too high. Some just wanted some good ol', irreverent Duke Nukem fun that the trailers led them to believe they would get. The guy I referenced wasn't taking the game seriously, he just wanted fun, and he didn't have fun. "Critics just don't get it" is meaningless when you're defending something.

Sure i can. They dismiss mine.

You are defending something second hand. You keep holding "this guy" up as an example when you have no clue what is really inside his head. You keep telling me that i don't get it. Read my review after i publish it if you like.

 

[Red Hawk]

Sure i can. They dismiss mine.

You are defending something second hand. You keep holding "this guy" up as an example when you have no clue what is really inside his head. You keep telling me that i don't get it. Read my review after i publish it if you like.

I don't mean that you can't dismiss their opinion at all. I mean that you can't dismiss bad reviews because their expectations are too high, because not all reviewers had the wrong expectations. Critics have found a number of flaws in the game that would apply to any game. Weapons don't feel like they have any oomph. Action is too few and far between, littered with unnecessary puzzles. The nostalgic appeal clashes with half-assed modern mechanics. They just didn't have any fun, which is supposed to be Duke's selling point.

You can dismiss their opinions if you disagree on any of those points. But don't accuse them of having the wrong expectations when many of them were well aware of potential problems going in.

And really though, is it wrong for them to have high expectations? The end of the game's trailer, Duke says the line from the beginning of the game, "What about the game, Duke? Was it any good?" "Yeah, but after twelve fnck!ng years, it should be!" Gearbox encouraged everyone to have high expectations, so they can't escape blame for not meeting them.

 

[apoppin]

I don't mean that you can't dismiss their opinion at all. I mean that you can't dismiss bad reviews because their expectations are too high, because not all reviewers had the wrong expectations. Critics have found a number of flaws in the game that would apply to any game. Weapons don't feel like they have any oomph. Action is too few and far between, littered with unnecessary puzzles. The nostalgic appeal clashes with half-assed modern mechanics. They just didn't have any fun, which is supposed to be Duke's selling point.

Actually, i disagree on all of those points and i had fun. And i believe it is wrong to have sky-high expectations. And i also believe that the team and the publisher are satisfied with their launch of the new DNF franchise; it isn't at all like an unfinished mess that needs any patching which is the sorry state of many new games on Day 1.

 

[Soundmanred]

I don't mean that you can't dismiss their opinion at all. I mean that you can't dismiss bad reviews because their expectations are too high, because not all reviewers had the wrong expectations. Critics have found a number of flaws in the game that would apply to any game. Weapons don't feel like they have any oomph. Action is too few and far between, littered with unnecessary puzzles. The nostalgic appeal clashes with half-assed modern mechanics. They just didn't have any fun, which is supposed to be Duke's selling point.

You can dismiss their opinions if you disagree on any of those points. But don't accuse them of having the wrong expectations when many of them were well aware of potential problems going in.

And really though, is it wrong for them to have high expectations? The end of the game's trailer, Duke says the line from the beginning of the game, "What about the game, Duke? Was it any good?" "Yeah, but after twelve fnck!ng years, it should be!" Gearbox encouraged everyone to have high expectations, so they can't escape blame for not meeting them.

I didn't read any reviews or read/see much about the game before playing it (especially since my purchase was so unexpected) and when I stopped playing and saw what others had to say, their opinions of the game were the same as mine.
I don't think it deserved the really bad reviews, but I did agree with the ones that said it was mediocre.

 

[sandorski]

Duke makes Haters feel inadequate. There oughta be a warning, but there isn't. Sorry Haters.

 

[Nik]

Actually, i disagree on all of those points and i had fun. And i believe it is wrong to have sky-high expectations. And i also believe that the team and the publisher are satisfied with their launch of the new DNF franchise; it isn't at all like an unfinished mess that needs any patching which is the sorry state of many new games on Day 1.

Exactly. Every single aspect of this game and it's launch have gone smoothly and work just fine. I mean, fuck, one of the CoD games was unavailable to EVERYONE who bought it for a MONTH after launch.

People hate on shit that doesn't need hating and, in fact, deserves the praise it has earned (DNF) and they love shit that's fucking retarded (CoD).

 

[coloumb]

About the only thing that annoyed me was at times it was difficult to figure out where to go - would've been nice to have something similar to the help system in Red Faction: Armageddon [press a key and you're presented with on screen navigation]. Other than that - I played exactly the game I was expecting - a linear mindless shooter dripping with sexual overtones.

 

[Nik]

About the only thing that annoyed me was at times it was difficult to figure out where to go - would've been nice to have something similar to the help system in Red Faction: Armageddon [press a key and you're presented with on screen navigation]. Other than that - I played exactly the game I was expecting - a linear mindless shooter dripping with sexual overtones.

Hell yeah, baby! "It's good to be king!" :awe:

I like Singularity's navigation system. You press a key and it sends out a "pulse" in a sphere around you that expands a few meters and disappears. It leaves glowing blue footprints. Since it's a time manipulation game, the story is that you're seeing your footsteps just a few seconds ahead in time

 

[Mike Gayner]

This is a B- shooter AT BEST.

- The gameplay is dull.
- The boss fights are tedious and boring.
- The graphics are last-gen.
- The controls are sloppy.
- The quick-time events are vomit-inducing.

If I knew how badly I would have had to abuse my keyboard in just the first 20 minutes of this game, I would have bought shares in Logitech. Why the fuck do I have to "repeatedly tap space" to open a door? How retarded.

To me, this game has no redeeming features. If you have nothing else to play, at least you can kill a couple of hours on this I guess.

edit: By the way, probably the most comparable current game to DNF is Bulletstorm -if anyone is making the decision, Bulletstorm is 1,000x more fun than DNF. I would highly recommend Bulletstorm - one of the best mindless shooters in a long time.

 

[Nik]

See? Bulletstorm was a failure and DNF a success. Yet another unreasonable, illogical review.

Oh, and I've made Duke my avatar just for you, haters.