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SKORPI0

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Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are the first 3 books of Dune. After that comes God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune. Herbert died after Chapterhouse but a whole bunch of books were written by his son and co-author.


I think I read ten or so Dune books.

Read just the first 3 books. I had the other Frank Herbert pocket books but never got the time to read them, got confused by the timelines.

 

DigDog

Lifer
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The 5 books after Dune are just not good. Yes i am aware that they have words on them. Stuff happens. It's just not good stuff.
Herbert went the way of the telenovela with the Dune saga, just keep throwing new weird shit into the story.

One thing that should clearly tell you to stay away from the Dune books is that the story of Dune ENDS in the book Dune. There is a conclusion where the protagonist completes his character arc, ascends to his goal, and defeats his enemies. That's pretty much a dead giveaway that whatever's gonna come afterwards is not going to be good.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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The 5 books after Dune are just not good. Yes i am aware that they have words on them. Stuff happens. It's just not good stuff.
Herbert went the way of the telenovela with the Dune saga, just keep throwing new weird shit into the story.

One thing that should clearly tell you to stay away from the Dune books is that the story of Dune ENDS in the book Dune. There is a conclusion where the protagonist completes his character arc, ascends to his goal, and defeats his enemies. That's pretty much a dead giveaway that whatever's gonna come afterwards is not going to be good.

Tolkien actually started writing a sequel to LOTR, but noticed how pointless and terrible it was early on and dropped it.

If only Herbert (and his no-talent kid) had done the same.
 

crashtech

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The 5 books after Dune are just not good. Yes i am aware that they have words on them. Stuff happens. It's just not good stuff.
Herbert went the way of the telenovela with the Dune saga, just keep throwing new weird shit into the story.

One thing that should clearly tell you to stay away from the Dune books is that the story of Dune ENDS in the book Dune. There is a conclusion where the protagonist completes his character arc, ascends to his goal, and defeats his enemies. That's pretty much a dead giveaway that whatever's gonna come afterwards is not going to be good.
You could make the case that Frank's Herbert's follow-ups to Dune are not as good the original, but to flatly state that they are no good is an opinion with which I strongly disagree. His sequels are fine reading, especially compared with the unreadable abominations that his kid pumps out. It's sad he did not live to complete the story arc that was left hanging in Chapterhouse.
 
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BudAshes

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You could make the case that Frank's Herbert's follow-ups to Dune are not as good the original, but to flatly state that they are no good is an opinion with which I strongly disagree. His sequels are fine reading, especially compared with the unreadable abominations that his kid pumps out. It's sad he did not live to complete the story arc that was left hanging in Chapterhouse.

I don't mind the books that were pumped out after he died. Light reading that continues the universe, kind of fan fictiony. I would never say they are good by any means, but I will burn through one every once in a while if I'm on a flight or something.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
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One thing that should clearly tell you to stay away from the Dune books is that the story of Dune ENDS in the book Dune. There is a conclusion where the protagonist completes his character arc, ascends to his goal, and defeats his enemies. That's pretty much a dead giveaway that whatever's gonna come afterwards is not going to be good.

I agree that stuff after 'Children of Dune' looks like dross, but CoD brought the plot line of Muad'dib's godhood to an end, and considering the fairly heavy religious angle of Dune, it's worthwhile to bring it to a conclusion.
 
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crashtech

Lifer
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I don't mind the books that were pumped out after he died. Light reading that continues the universe, kind of fan fictiony. I would never say they are good by any means, but I will burn through one every once in a while if I'm on a flight or something.
There was something about the elder Herbert's writing that resonated deeply with me that I found completely absent from the son's writing. I found it rather the opposite, with shallow, often repellent characterizations of figures who should have been cast in a more ambivalent light. But if you like them, I'm certainly not going to bash you for it. The universe Herbert created is an interesting enough place to want to see more of, for sure. I just wish someone more able had picked up the mantle.
 
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BudAshes

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There was something about the elder Herbert's writing that resonated deeply with me that I found completely absent from the son's writing. I found it rather the opposite, with shallow, often repellent characterizations of figures who should have been cast in a more ambivalent light. But if you like them, I'm certainly not going to bash you for it. The universe Herbert created is an interesting enough place to want to see more of, for sure. I just wish someone more able had picked up the mantle.


It's kind of like the cartoon version, hahah. Too be fair I also think I've mostly read the prequels they did and not the sequels so the characters were different.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It's kind of like the cartoon version, hahah. Too be fair I also think I've mostly read the prequels they did and not the sequels so the characters were different.
Dave Filoni's masterful adaptations of Lucas' abominations would love to have a word with you. 'Cartoon version' indeed.
 

BudAshes

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Dave Filoni's masterful adaptations of Lucas' abominations would love to have a word with you. 'Cartoon version' indeed.

Who is Dave filoni?

*edit* NM I looked him up. I watched some clone wars and never got into it. Haven't got around to the Mandalorian yet.
 

Racan

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Can't wait, and I hope more film studios studios will get the guts to adapt quality sci-fi books instead of incessantly rehashing superhero and Star Wars movies.
 
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MrSquished

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Haven't read dune since I was much younger and I loved it, but remember little. On the first book now, it's fantastic. I know he wrote 6 books and then his son kind of took over. Probably not interested in those.

Is the movie going to be based on just the first book? Or does it go past the first book into the next one or two?
 

BudAshes

Lifer
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Haven't read dune since I was much younger and I loved it, but remember little. On the first book now, it's fantastic. I know he wrote 6 books and then his son kind of took over. Probably not interested in those.

Is the movie going to be based on just the first book? Or does it go past the first book into the next one or two?

I actually quite like Herbert's other fiction he did as well. Soul Catcher and The White Plague come to mind, although there are lots more.
 

crashtech

Lifer
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Frank Herbert was best known for Dune, but he wrote a lot of books. I can count at least 12 that I have read, there are many more.
 

Starbuck1975

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Haven't read dune since I was much younger and I loved it, but remember little. On the first book now, it's fantastic. I know he wrote 6 books and then his son kind of took over. Probably not interested in those.

Is the movie going to be based on just the first book? Or does it go past the first book into the next one or two?
The movie looks like it is going to cover the first half of the first book, I am guessing it will end as a cliffhanger when Paul and Jessica first encounter the Fremen.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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I am not feeling the body armor. Dune 1984 couldn’t figure out how to depict the weirding way so they went with the sonic modules. Not sure why you need body armor in a universe of advanced martial arts, knife fighting and personal shields.
 

Captante

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Dune is very different from Harry Potter lol. Different age groups.


I really enjoyed every Harry Potter book after the first one although they are relatively light reads .... the original Dune trilogy is also one of my favorites.

I read Dune MANY years ago at a far younger age then I did the Potter books.... got a hardcover edition of "Children of Dune" for my birthday on release!

(this thread has motivated me to read the series again lol)
 

MrSquished

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I am not feeling the body armor. Dune 1984 couldn’t figure out how to depict the weirding way so they went with the sonic modules. Not sure why you need body armor in a universe of advanced martial arts, knife fighting and personal shields.

I thought they couldn't use the personal shields in the desert of Arrakis as they drew in the worms.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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I thought they couldn't use the personal shields in the desert of Arrakis as they drew in the worms.
Correct, but heavy body armor seems counter intuitive to the whole stillsuit desert survival concept, and shields were in use within the city of Arrakeen.
 
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