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Cruzlite

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Plextor does not make one...
LG is hobled by lack of +R & +RW capability...
Tried NEC...Noisey & media sensitive...

Am thinking;
Pioneer
Toshiba
Samsung

Anybody got experience with theese or others that they like?

Thanks,
D
 

Gamingphreek

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You tried the NEC 3520a and found it to be noisy and sensitive. Well thats pretty much the best drive on the market.

-Kevin
 

Cruzlite

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NOT the 3520a...

DVD-ROM...The 5800

Edit; However if the 3500 is anything like the 5800 I'll take a Plextor ANY day.
Edit; More specifically...the 5800 would not read fuji -rw disks the plextor had no trouble with...(written w/;22717-PI errors & 0-PO errors)
 

Zepper

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I think Rib13 meant ...with the Syba PATA adapter... as there are NO SATA DVD-ROM drives as yet... I think the Asus drive is very nice too. Newegg has the retail version of the Samsung for just a few bucks more.

.bh.
 

wfn

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thanks ribbon13, i guess no sense in changing my asus dvd-e616p2 coz it does the same (starts at 4.05 and builds up to around 11-12x)
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
No Zepper... I meant a PATA->SATA Adapter. Notice the graphs->
http://www.techimo.com/articles/index.pl?photo=44

Actually, those graphs and the explaination given, is most likely incorrect.
The statement about PATA lacking error-correction is blatantly false, that's one of the principle things that was added to the UDMA specs, was a CRC check on the data-transfer, both the drive and the host controller calculate it, and if it mis-compares when they are done, then a UDMA CRC error has occured, and the transfer is re-sent. I'm not familiar with that benchmark in specific, so I'm not sure what the time-scale reference is, compared to HDTach 2.61 (which I am familiar with), but those smaller downward spikes on the PATA graph, look like nothing more than standard IDE activity overhead on a shared PATA IDE channel to me. The only way to find out for sure, is to check the drive's SMART status, and look at the raw count for the UDMA IDE CRC error attribute, and check it both before and after the tests (and check the Windows' System Event Log too). Since we don't have that data, one cannot make that statement conclusively, but it should be clear enough that the explaination given as stated is blatantly incorrect. In fact, one of the fellows on the T13 ATA committee, has on his home page some interesting data that suggests that data-transmissions over the SATA cables used today, are actually less error-free than proper PATA cabling.

So IMHO, that's all marketing BS. But I'm not knocking the utility of moving your drives onto a SATA channel. Only that the "improved" graphs shown, are only because the SATA channels don't share with anything else, unlike PATA, and likely has nothing to do with cable signal-integrity or errors.

Edit: to add that in a normally-functioning PATA system, you shouldn't be getting any UDMA CRC errors in the first place anyways, which is another reason why the explaination given is marketing BS, because it implies that those errors are somehow commonplace. (If those spikes in the graph are actually from CRC errors, which I highly doubt. If they were, I would think that they would go all the way to the bottom of the graph.)

Edit 2: Just wanted to add that I'm not in any way against using an IDE-to-SATA converter, I think that's a great idea. Just that the marketing explaination given for it, doesn't really wash.
 

Zepper

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Hey Rib13,
He would then have to add a SATA controller too (for his PIII mobo) - not cost-effective. I think if he isolates the drive on its own channel, the results would be much the same as your graphs show. Particularly if he gets the Syba PATA controller I mentioned per VL's explanation.
.bh.
 

wfn

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@VL

Good to see a fellow SR member edumacating teh masses I was going to say something about that page but then I scrolled down and saw your response. Well put.

@all

Loos like this AOpen 1648//AAP Pro is neat jobie, apparently you can set it to max read with Nero DriveSpeed in which case it starts ripping DVD-R at 6.8x and goes all the way up to 15-16x. So it would make it perfect for on-the-fly copying. Now if I only could find it in black.
 

Wolfshanze

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The Toshiba's and Samsung's are both fast and quiet... they are also IDENTICAL HARDWARE... the only differance is the name in BIOS and on the label, otherwise the latest Toshiba and Samsung drives have identical performance and look (the companies merged).

I have both Toshiba and Samsung DVD-ROM drives in the house (their newest models) and have had no problems... they are also amongst the only DVD-ROMs that can read DVD+R DL discs.
 

CraigRT

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I like my Pioneer 106S, it rips better than the newer version 120S.

I don't even like the 120S but the 106S is amazing, I :heart: that DVDROM!
 

Zepper

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Toshiba and Samsung have not merged. They just teamed up re. optical drive development (like LiteOn and Sony, NEC and Pioneer, Sanyo and Plextor, Hitachi and LG etc).
.bh.
 

Cruzlite

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Thanks for the well written responses...(Although perhaps somewhat over my head)...
Rest assured that I will reference this thread in the future...

You guys ROCK !

 
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