dx10

[imported_Truenofan]

i dont get it, why are people saying, why not wait till windows vista comes out for dx10, dx10 this, dx10 that.....well dx10 isnt going to be on windows xp, and wont ever be, so unless you plan on paying 200-300 dollars for windows vista just to get dx10, which no games will probly support, why suggest to people, wait for dx10 ready video cards, which not many games will use the features for. let alone be a powerful enough card to use them without substantial framerate loss.

at the least, the next gen of video cards will be a bit faster, but how much faster, is it worth the wait? not to mention that nobody really knows how they'll perform. so unless someone can give a really good reason, besides 'it'll be dx10 ready for future games", i dont see a reason for people to say, oh just wait for the next gen of video cards. this is just my complaint about some people saying to wait. when who knows how they'll perform considerably better or not and how much they'll cost, since the late trend of video cards seems to be, as long as it improves performance considerably we can just charge however much we want. and put out as much heat as we want.

i just wanna say this, i may be bitching, but at least im not flaming anyone in particular. im just saying to the few that waiting for a dx10 card is more than worth it. and yes the current generation of video cards will drop in price considerably, so that can be worth waiting for i guess.

 

[dug777]

Dude, please.

Paragraphs.

 

[Ulfhednar]

I'm sorry, but I could feel myself running out of breath after the first two lines from just reading that. Paragraphs and punctuation are your friends, use them.

As for the topic at hand; What I think you're saying in all that jibberish is that DirectX 10 isn't worth thnking about yet because you will need Vista to run it. I imagine that most people would agree with you, and I am one of them, but I imagine that by this time next year there will be a very nice handful of titles that use DirectX 10 and I don't think I'll be able to stay away forever.

 

[imported_Truenofan]

oh im not saying stay away forever, im just stating the fact that people are telling other people to wait for dx10 ready cards, when nothing will support them for at least a few months even after, and by then, video cards will be even faster. oh yeah, sorry bout the paragraph thing, im kinda in a rush, gotta get ready for work -_- damn pressed uniforms, friggin army -_-

 

[Ulfhednar]

Yeah, I understand what you mean now. People buying R600 and G80 will probably be disappointed as no games (other than Crysis) will be able to support the DirectX 10 features on those cards for ~6-9 months at a minimum.

By then R600 and G80 will be on their first or second refresh and the originals will be old hat, leaving the early adopters with a bitter taste in their mouths.

 

[imported_Truenofan]

and unless they're ready to fork out 200-300 bucks for windows vista, they wont even have dx10 games at all.(or pirate it)

 

[Ulfhednar]

Yeah, I think it's ridiculous that Vista will be required for DirectX 10. DirectX 10 would be my only reason, period, for even considering buying Vista as XP does everything I want/need it to.

 

[Lord Banshee]

Which ever card does better G80 or R600 with all features I'll buy.

Why? Well i believe ATI and Nvidia when they say DX9 will be faster, it has to be or nobody will buy the card. Personally i think it will be 80-90% as fast as SLI 7800GTX... but that is my guess with no other reasoning other than Next Gen cards are usually as fast as SLI last Gen.

Also i am running at 1920x1200 and i need every bit a power i can get if i want to play any newer games with good quality settings.

And finally, Getting vista for me will be as easy as downloading for 1-2 hours. My university gives a copy of windows out to all Engineering Students. The only concern to me is should i go 64-bit this time around

 

[apoppin]

the first full DX10 games will be available in about three years

i can wait . . . for the DX10 card . . . and Vista.

 

[nwrigley]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Yeah, I understand what you mean now. People buying R600 and G80 will probably be disappointed as no games (other than Crysis) will be able to support the DirectX 10 features on those cards for ~6-9 months at a minimum.

By then R600 and G80 will be on their first or second refresh and the originals will be old hat, leaving the early adopters with a bitter taste in their mouths.

I agree with the above. The first wave of DX10 cards probably won't be of much use for actually playing DX10 games since there will likely be much better cards out by the time we really start to see DX10 games. The new cards should create some real good deals on "old" DX9 cards when they do come out though.

Still, I'm sort of waiting for DX10 in the sense that I'm planning on getting a cheaper card for my new system build with the anticipation of upgrading (possibly) to a DX10 card a year or so from now.

I completely agree that it isn't worth waiting for something when you have no real idea of what you will be getting or what it will support. I feel the same way about waiting for Vista: I want a system that will run Vista when/if I choose to upgrade to it, but I'm not waiting for it. I doubt I would be interested in Vista until it's been out for 6-12 months (around the time the first service pack will probably come out).

Heck, it's pretty much my approach to Conroe as well: give them a few months for the prices to settle down and for reliability to go up. There are always some kinks to be worked out with new technology.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: apoppin
the first full DX10 games will be available in about three years

i can wait . . . for the DX10 card . . . and Vista.

Er, Crysis will be out at Christmas, and there's probably a lot more DirectX 10 games due out next year.

 

[hans030390]

Apparently using Vista (and only Vista) with a DX9 card boosts performance because MS rewrote the code or something...and since I won't be able to get a DX10 card anytime soon, that's one of the few reasons I'd get Vista (though after using the Beta, it really could end up being great, so it's not the only reason).

Crysis is one of those games that people will buy the latest hardware to play on the highest settings. That means DX10. Personally, I think these next cards will be powerful enough to run DX10 and following things that use it for a while.

When has it hurt to wait for next gen cards so you can get the newest features?

Anyways, it's not like I can afford anything, so what do I care?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: apoppin
the first full DX10 games will be available in about three years

i can wait . . . for the DX10 card . . . and Vista.

Er, Crysis will be out at Christmas, and there's probably a lot more DirectX 10 games due out next year.

they are NOT "full DX10 games" and will work perfectly on DX9

DX10 - from the ground up- takes three years . . . if they have even started . . . i doubt the DX10 spec is even finalized with all the Dev kits available - and there is certainly no DX10 HW to work on.

You'll NEED a DX 10 card - in 2009
:Q

:roll:

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: apoppin
the first full DX10 games will be available in about three years

i can wait . . . for the DX10 card . . . and Vista.

Er, Crysis will be out at Christmas, and there's probably a lot more DirectX 10 games due out next year.

they are NOT "full DX10 games" and will work perfectly on DX9

DX10 - from the ground up- takes three years . . . if they have even started . . . i doubt the DX10 spec is even finalized with all the Dev kits available - and there is certainly no DX10 HW to work on.

You'll NEED a DX 10 card - in 2009
:Q

:roll:

Crysis is a "full DirectX 10 game." It just works in DirectX 9 too. Developers are going to be jumping all over DirectX 10 next year, not to the point of making it mandatory, but to the point where it gives most enthusiasts a reason to upgrade their hardware and OS.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
Yeah, I understand what you mean now. People buying R600 and G80 will probably be disappointed as no games (other than Crysis) will be able to support the DirectX 10 features on those cards for ~6-9 months at a minimum.

By then R600 and G80 will be on their first or second refresh and the originals will be old hat, leaving the early adopters with a bitter taste in their mouths.

Totally. I wouldn't buy the R600 and G80 for DX10, though. If they give me substantial gains in my current games, then I will get either one.

BTW, can you imagine playing Oblivion with 14xSSAA+HDR, 16xHQAF?!!

: Drool ::

Not gonna happen yet but some day...

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: gersson
BTW, can you imagine playing Oblivion with 14xSSAA+HDR, 16xHQAF?!!

:Q

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: apoppin
the first full DX10 games will be available in about three years

i can wait . . . for the DX10 card . . . and Vista.

Er, Crysis will be out at Christmas, and there's probably a lot more DirectX 10 games due out next year.

they are NOT "full DX10 games" and will work perfectly on DX9

DX10 - from the ground up- takes three years . . . if they have even started . . . i doubt the DX10 spec is even finalized with all the Dev kits available - and there is certainly no DX10 HW to work on.

You'll NEED a DX 10 card - in 2009
:Q

:roll:

Crysis is a "full DirectX 10 game." It just works in DirectX 9 too. Developers are going to be jumping all over DirectX 10 next year, not to the point of making it mandatory, but to the point where it gives most enthusiasts a reason to upgrade their hardware and OS.

keep dreaming
{and buying into the Vista 'hype'}

one of the first DX 9 games was DE:IW . . . compare it with Oblivion's DX9 . . . 3 years later . . . "there's no comparison".

Crysis will be a Full dx9 game - with a few DX10 extensions.

that's all folks

move on . .. nothing to see . . . yet
:roll:

DX10 games are just BEGINNING dvelopment [now, more-or-less] . . . it takes THREE years to produce a quality game.

2009 for the first quality, FULL dx10 games

 

[imported_Truenofan]

im just arguing to the point that, nobody really NEEDS a dx10 card, and if your looking for a top end card, the x1900xt/7900gtx is more than enough to play 90% of games out there at max everything, even in dual or quad card solutions. the next gen, if its going to be all mighty impressive, better offer a huge increase in performance, because lately, its just been increments, nothing impressive to my eyes really. i myself, will not upgrade till at least the x1900xt doesnt play anything even at 1024x768, or around that resolution, with at least some eye candy on.(oh yeah, and im sitting here wondering why didnt anyone else start this kinda topic before too)

 

[nwrigley]

Originally posted by: hans030390
Anyways, it's not like I can afford anything, so what do I care?

I'm pretty much with you there. The truth hurts sometimes...

I'm much more in the $100-$150 range when it comes to purchasing a graphics card. Why spend a lot of money on something when you know it's going to be replaced by something in the next 6 months (basically cutting the cost of the card in half)?

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: apoppin
keep dreaming
{and buying into the Vista 'hype'}

Jesus Christ, what? Have you even read my posts in this thread? I am not in a rush to go DirectX 10, I hate the fact that Vista will be required to use it, and I probably won't bother until games show up that actually use it. I must be really taking the bait, eh? :roll:

Originally posted by: apoppin
one of the first DX 9 games was DE:IW . . . compare it with Oblivion's DX9 . . . 3 years later . . . "there's no comparison".

Crysis will be a Full dx9 game - with a few DX10 extensions.

that's all folks

move on . .. nothing to see . . . yet
:roll:

DX10 games are just BEGINNING dvelopment [now, more-or-less] . . . it takes THREE years to produce a quality game.

2009 for the first quality, FULL dx10 games

Wow, you have issues. Are you and Crusader related?

 

[imported_Truenofan]

you may say move on, but there are many people in here still going to say, and continue saying untill the release of the cards "just wait untill the next gen, its almost here" well what if some people want to play games now, what if they want to enjoy a nice computer, a x1900xt/xtx for 300-400 bucks isnt that bad at all...and when the next gen releases. it'll probly drop to maybe 200-300 range, but untill then, which is how long away? 5-6months? thats quite a time to wait for a upgrade.

point im trying to make here is this, no games in the near future(under 6months after initial release) will support dx10 fully like many have said, partial maybe, but full dx10, not likely. next point is this, to actually use dx10, you would have to pay how much? for the OS and then the video card, thats quite a chunk of change for anyone i would assume.(except for the braggarts that must have the best of the best.)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: apoppin
keep dreaming
{and buying into the Vista 'hype'}

Jesus Christ, what? Have you even read my posts in this thread? I am not in a rush to go DirectX 10, I hate the fact that Vista will be required to use it, and I probably won't bother until games show up that actually use it. I must be really taking the bait, eh? :roll:

Originally posted by: apoppin
one of the first DX 9 games was DE:IW . . . compare it with Oblivion's DX9 . . . 3 years later . . . "there's no comparison".

Crysis will be a Full dx9 game - with a few DX10 extensions.

that's all folks

move on . .. nothing to see . . . yet
:roll:

DX10 games are just BEGINNING dvelopment [now, more-or-less] . . . it takes THREE years to produce a quality game.

2009 for the first quality, FULL dx10 games

Wow, you have issues. Are you and Crusader related?

like antimatter is related to matter . . . or dark energy to energy



"issues"
:roll:

you are beyond confused to think otherwise about DX10 games. :frown:
:thumbsdown:

or perhaps you can link to when the first full dx10 game is going to be released . . .

 

[josh6079]

DX10 cards are also going to be the best DX9 performers (or so we hear). Why not get the best DX9 card to hold one out until DX10 games and more cards become more widespread. I know that having a DX10 card will at least let me see some of the features that I may want to use when Crysis and other DX10 games begin to emerge.

You can buy whatever you want. I wouldn't fuss about it so much.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: apoppin
keep dreaming
{and buying into the Vista 'hype'}

Jesus Christ, what? Have you even read my posts in this thread? I am not in a rush to go DirectX 10, I hate the fact that Vista will be required to use it, and I probably won't bother until games show up that actually use it. I must be really taking the bait, eh? :roll:

Originally posted by: apoppin
one of the first DX 9 games was DE:IW . . . compare it with Oblivion's DX9 . . . 3 years later . . . "there's no comparison".

Crysis will be a Full dx9 game - with a few DX10 extensions.

that's all folks

move on . .. nothing to see . . . yet
:roll:

DX10 games are just BEGINNING dvelopment [now, more-or-less] . . . it takes THREE years to produce a quality game.

2009 for the first quality, FULL dx10 games

Wow, you have issues. Are you and Crusader related?

Issues or no. I do agree with what apoppin is saying here. Basically compare a late DX8 game to an early DX9 game. The differences were minimal because for the most part they were DX8 games with a few DX9 features thrown in.

What apoppin is basically saying is early games like Crysis will work with DX9 and in DX10 mode will likely still be DX9 but with only a few extra features from DX10. This may give it a small graphical oomph but nothing earth shattering. It is only recently that DX9 games have taken full advantage of DX9 and provided incredible graphics. Most notably games like FEAR, GRAW, and especially Oblivion.

The argument is therefore that there is little reason to get excited about DX10 games because games that truly take advantage of DX10 will not be out until after 2007. The DX10 games coming out in the near future will merely be slightly bumped up DX9 games and that being the case, you might as well just keep your older DX9 parts until a game that truly takes advantage of DX10 with better graphics and hopefully better gameplay hits the market.

This is why I will not spend the money upgrading to Vista and it's inherent early bugs but instead will wait until after the inevitable first service pack. I also see no reason to move to DX10 if I can't use DX10's features, partially due to my waiting before upgrading to Vista as well as the fact that I do not feel there will be any game that truly takes advantage of DX10's added features until after 2007. That being the case, I might as well wait for a 2nd generation DX10 part that is sure to be even faster and better at DX10 than the initial generation. Not to mention they will surely fix a lot of bugs and miscues in their DX10 implementation by that time.

 

[Excal78]

I'll just wait for the g80 cards to buy the "old" current generation of nvidia cards which are suposed to be cheaper by that time.