Dyson + all tile house

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Phil
I have a Dyson.
My parents bought it for us when we moved house, and it was something like £80 from eBay.

Compared to our older Hoover, it's amazing. When we got it, I ran the Hoover around the house, and then used the Dyson. Result? One 75% full canister.

My mother did the same thing when they bought theirs, same result.

So, I can categorically state, that in my experience, the Dyson was not expensive, and cleans a damned sight better than our older Hoover.

0roo0roo, if the satisfaction of Dyson owners frustrates you this much, then why not just let it go, instead of arguing with people over the Internet? We made our decisions, and we're happy with them. It's our god-given right to make up our own minds, and we have.

I had the exact same experience when we bought our new vaccuum......EXCEPT WE BOUGHT A NEW EUREKA. By the time most people get around to replacing a vacuum, the old one is so worn out, ANYTHING new will suck up tons of missed dirt.

the winnar!

We compared the DC07 to two brand new top of the line Hoovers (one self propelled, the other not), and a mid-line Dirt Devil. No comparison with our carpet, the DC07 pulled much more dirt in less time.

what? you looked at each bagless vacs contents? they were all bagless right? (not that bagless is really good)or did you peek into bags too? did you measure before and after weights? did you make sure there was exactly the same amount of dirt to vacumn up? lol

 

i've compared the yellow dyson (borrowed) to my hoover mpower turbo.
it didn't pick up anything that the hoover did not.
the hoover mpower turbo also didn't pick up anything after vacuuming with the dyson.

would i buy a dyson?
nope

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Phil
I have a Dyson.
My parents bought it for us when we moved house, and it was something like £80 from eBay.

Compared to our older Hoover, it's amazing. When we got it, I ran the Hoover around the house, and then used the Dyson. Result? One 75% full canister.

My mother did the same thing when they bought theirs, same result.

So, I can categorically state, that in my experience, the Dyson was not expensive, and cleans a damned sight better than our older Hoover.

0roo0roo, if the satisfaction of Dyson owners frustrates you this much, then why not just let it go, instead of arguing with people over the Internet? We made our decisions, and we're happy with them. It's our god-given right to make up our own minds, and we have.

I had the exact same experience when we bought our new vaccuum......EXCEPT WE BOUGHT A NEW EUREKA. By the time most people get around to replacing a vacuum, the old one is so worn out, ANYTHING new will suck up tons of missed dirt.

the winnar!

We compared the DC07 to two brand new top of the line Hoovers (one self propelled, the other not), and a mid-line Dirt Devil. No comparison with our carpet, the DC07 pulled much more dirt in less time.

what? you looked at each bagless vacs contents? they were all bagless right? (not that bagless is really good)or did you peek into bags too? did you measure before and after weights? did you make sure there was exactly the same amount of dirt to vacumn up? lol

They were all bagless. Tried on same area in carpet. Went over first with dyson, than with hoover. Then tried different patch in same room, first with hoover, than dyson. Compared contents. Yeah, sad, but the results were very easy to see. No need to measure.

 

[Thegonagle]

My thoughts on vacuuming bare floors? A canister with a simple extension handle and 12-15 inch floor brush will do a much better job. The bare floor mode of most uprights does a pretty poor job in my experience.

Of course, a broom and dustpan also works, and is much cheaper. But who am I to tell anyone not to buy a new toy? (But get a nice canister, not an upright.)

 

[MaxDepth]

Do Dyson spheres suck less?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Phil
I have a Dyson.
My parents bought it for us when we moved house, and it was something like £80 from eBay.

Compared to our older Hoover, it's amazing. When we got it, I ran the Hoover around the house, and then used the Dyson. Result? One 75% full canister.

My mother did the same thing when they bought theirs, same result.

So, I can categorically state, that in my experience, the Dyson was not expensive, and cleans a damned sight better than our older Hoover.

0roo0roo, if the satisfaction of Dyson owners frustrates you this much, then why not just let it go, instead of arguing with people over the Internet? We made our decisions, and we're happy with them. It's our god-given right to make up our own minds, and we have.

I had the exact same experience when we bought our new vaccuum......EXCEPT WE BOUGHT A NEW EUREKA. By the time most people get around to replacing a vacuum, the old one is so worn out, ANYTHING new will suck up tons of missed dirt.

the winnar!

We compared the DC07 to two brand new top of the line Hoovers (one self propelled, the other not), and a mid-line Dirt Devil. No comparison with our carpet, the DC07 pulled much more dirt in less time.

what? you looked at each bagless vacs contents? they were all bagless right? (not that bagless is really good)or did you peek into bags too? did you measure before and after weights? did you make sure there was exactly the same amount of dirt to vacumn up? lol

They were all bagless. Tried on same area in carpet. Went over first with dyson, than with hoover. Then tried different patch in same room, first with hoover, than dyson. Compared contents. Yeah, sad, but the results were very easy to see. No need to measure.

you do know bagless is just a gimmic. the top ranking vacumn is the Hoover WindTunnel Self Propelled Ultra..and that has a bag for $300. the Eureka Boss Smart Vac Ultra 4870, with 6 bags for 150 dollars. and when they reviewed the dyson they compared it to a bagless hoover and said "We can point you toward less expensive upright models that worked better overall than the DC14.......the Hoover WindTunnel Bagless U5753-900, $200, is also a very good performer." your tests are rather unscientific anyways, the cr reports show the dysons to suck up an average amount of dirt at best. what is your dirt? magic?

 

[Thegonagle]

First off, I have absolutely no opinion on Dyson, except a general opinion I hold to all bagless vacuums: I don't care for the process of emptying them. I'm not trying to fan the flames.

Bagless is nothing new, but the heavy marketing of it as a desirable feature in an upright is. Whether you buy one is just a matter of personal preference. Some people love them, but I don't. Shopvacs and similar wet/dry vacs are bagless. So were the Regina "Electric Broom" and the B&D Dust Buster. I've always hated emptying any kind of bagless vacuum, because what do you do with the dust and dirt? You generally empty it into a bag! I like the idea that the machine can do this step for me. The only drag about bag vacuums is running out of bags.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Apex


They were all bagless. Tried on same area in carpet. Went over first with dyson, than with hoover. Then tried different patch in same room, first with hoover, than dyson. Compared contents. Yeah, sad, but the results were very easy to see. No need to measure.

you do know bagless is just a gimmic. the top ranking vacumn is the Hoover WindTunnel Self Propelled Ultra..and that has a bag for $300. the Eureka Boss Smart Vac Ultra 4870, with 6 bags for 150 dollars. and when they reviewed the dyson they compared it to a bagless hoover and said "We can point you toward less expensive upright models that worked better overall than the DC14.......the Hoover WindTunnel Bagless U5753-900, $200, is also a very good performer." your tests are rather unscientific anyways, the cr reports show the dysons to suck up an average amount of dirt at best. what is your dirt? magic?

Bagless is not a gimmick. It has its own set of advantages and disadvantages, just like everything else in life.

I agree my tests were unscientific. I never claimed they were. However at least I compared these back to back at my location. The results were clear.

No, my dirt wasn't magic. I'm not pathetic enough of a person to feel the need to make snide remarks like that.

As pretty much anyone can see, vacuums work on suction and agitation. Some will work better on some carpet types than others. Obviously, thicker the carpet, the more important agitation is in relation to suction. Did CR test deep carpet and thin? Berber and cut pile? Tight weave and loose? Did they test over multiple cycles to completely fill the machines?

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: Yreka
Ok guys.. You are arguing about Vacuums..

Man cards please.. You lose them for 1 month. You can get them back sooner with good behavior or manly post topics such as guns, sports, monster trucks, or NSFW girl on girl pics.

Heh. :thumbsup:

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Get one of these: Hoover H3000 Floor Mate Hard-Floor Cleaner

I have an earlier model & really like it.

No, what he needs is this: http://www.caligirl.net/album/m-p/pictures2004/night-cat.jpg
Just stick a pole in it's belly or tie it's paws around a pole and use it as a mop, works wonders.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
First off, I have absolutely no opinion on Dyson, except a general opinion I hold to all bagless vacuums: I don't care for the process of emptying them. I'm not trying to fan the flames.

Bagless is nothing new, but the heavy marketing of it as a desirable feature in an upright is. Whether you buy one is just a matter of personal preference. Some people love them, but I don't. Shopvacs and similar wet/dry vacs are bagless. So were the Regina "Electric Broom" and the B&D Dust Buster. I've always hated emptying any kind of bagless vacuum, because what do you do with the dust and dirt? You generally empty it into a bag! I like the idea that the machine can do this step for me. The only drag about bag vacuums is running out of bags.

And once the bag is full you pull it out and...ISN'T IT IRONIC.....you put it in the trash bag ANYHOW. So what you're doing isn't saving a step, just wasting a vacuum bag.

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
First off, I have absolutely no opinion on Dyson, except a general opinion I hold to all bagless vacuums: I don't care for the process of emptying them. I'm not trying to fan the flames.

Bagless is nothing new, but the heavy marketing of it as a desirable feature in an upright is. Whether you buy one is just a matter of personal preference. Some people love them, but I don't. Shopvacs and similar wet/dry vacs are bagless. So were the Regina "Electric Broom" and the B&D Dust Buster. I've always hated emptying any kind of bagless vacuum, because what do you do with the dust and dirt? You generally empty it into a bag! I like the idea that the machine can do this step for me. The only drag about bag vacuums is running out of bags.

And once the bag is full you pull it out and...ISN'T IT IRONIC.....you put it in the trash bag ANYHOW. So what you're doing isn't saving a step, just wasting a vacuum bag.

The point is that it doesn't make as big a mess.

Process of emptying a bag vacuum: Open the panel, pop the bag out, put it in the trash. Takes 5 seconds, and no mess.

Process of emptying a bagless: unclip the dust bin and separate from machine. Steady, steady--don want to spill, or stir up the filthy dust--oops! Cough cough. Overturn open-topped dust container and dump all the filth into the trash. Cough cough. Check filter and observe a layer of fine dust on the surface several mm thick. Procede to remove filter and smack it on the inside of trash can a few times. Cough cough. Takes more than 5 seconds, and there's a cloud of dust when you dump it.

I just prefer the vacuum bag.

 

[0roo0roo]

yes, the point of having a hepa filter is sorta defeated when you have to constantly empty those bagless vacs and exposing yourself to all sorts of dusty powdery dirt removing a vacuum bag is relatively rare a task unless u have some freakishly dirty house since unlike bagless the dirt does get compressed, making it look like less, but i guess fluffy dust filling those bagless bins looks more impressive eh? as for the cost? the price difference between vacs would probably buy you bags for several lifetimes lol

as for hepa filters, i dunno about the claim you can just keep washing the damn things and keep getting the same hepa standard filtering. room airfilters and furnace hepa filters don't do that, they all have finite lifespans. so who knows.

 

[DPmaster]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: DPmaster

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Gand1
I OWN Dyson as well and do not feel I was swindled by the company. The vac work great and I didn't pay full price either. I've had the thing for almost 2 years now and still works like it was new. I wonder if that fact is in the consumer reports. Hmmm...

It is not. Consumer reports does not test any serious length of time, so clogging and lowered suction is not considered during the testing.

The drawbacks of Dysons are, IMHO:

1. Lower pressure on the brush, since it's automatically adjusting. Those that you set manually can push down on carpet more. Carpet agitation gives good cleaning power, though it is rather hard on carpet, especially berber.

2. Higher price

The hose attachment is a bit lame and if you block the tool the machine will come visit you as the hose compresses.

Quite true about the Dyson being hard on Berber carpets as my edges seem to be a little worn.

I don't know where 0roo0roo gets his evidence that we Dyson owners are being swindled. I also couldn't give a rat's @ss if it was a status symbol since my vacuum is locked up in my closet most of the time. In fact, if I was a yuppie, I wouldn't be vacuuming myself but would have someone else doing it for me. I do know that it's the best vacuum I've owned. My old Hoover, which was only 1 year old, could not pick up anything. When I ran the Dyson after the Hoover, I completely filled the canister and the Hoover got donated.

Anyway, I don't go by what CR says. They have been sued and lost for falsifying test results. I would much rather go with what my eyes tell me.

never heard of cr losing a suit. well mostly i see them being sued and winning. remember sharper images ionic breeze? it got panned by consumer report and sharper image sued. they lost as they should have.

this is what i found from a quick google "Since 1968, Consumer Reports has been sued a dozen times for knocking products and has never lost a case or paid an out-of-court settlement."http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/09/042r-020900-idx.html

its just starting to seem like some of you think cr has no credibility because their results upset you lol

0roo0roo,

I'm not here to comment on vacuum cleaners but Consumer Reports itself. Sorry but I can't trust a company that rates Bose speakers higher than B&W speakers. Sometimes they're OK but their test methods have been questioned in the past. Bose speakers better than B&W speakers? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

sorry their testing methodology is explained and generally makes sense for most things and especially appliances for which they have much experience. speakers, i don't remember their review but bose probably got decent markts because of their ease of use. and well they are easy to use. as far as i can tell the audiophiles gripe about the bookshelf speaker test where the 100 dollar bose outranked the 550 dollar b&w not that bose got first place mind you. that is a big price difference you know, and i guess that could be under consideration, supposedly the b&w did come slightly ahead in terms of accuracy. bose hate is always amusing though, we are talking about the audio industry where audiophiles spend hundreds of dollars on "special" cables? crack open any audio magazine and see how much excessive money is spent on audio, it far outstrips any prices bose has to offer. even if their testing methodology is imperfect with speakers it doesn't mean its imperfect with everything else. have you even bothered evaluating their tests with other devices? they state how they do the tests right there you know. and frankly i've yet to see a car review magazine that goes off on a bose is evil rant when reviewing a car with bose sound system. so i guess that invalidates all car reviews.

No, it does not invalidate all car reviews but it does lessen their credibility. Again they aren't bad as they are pretty good with things like air purifier reviews, but I don't consider them the "bible" of consumer reports/reviews.

Practically any car with a factory-installed Bose sound system will have sub-standard sound (when compared to other factory-installed "upper tier" sound equipment like Infinity, McIntosh, etc.). Their equipment is proprietary (i.e. if you want to upgrade the CD receiver in the car, you're going to have to do a complete sound system overhaul as Bose equipment will not work with aftermarket equipment). Not that it really matters but look up "350Z + Bose sound system" and you'll see all of the complaints users and review sites have said. Even Bose has admitted their sound system in that car is subpar and not to their expectations. They've been sending letters to the 350Z users who have been complaining about that issue. Sad thing is my sister's stock stereo in her Honda Civic sounds a LOT better than the Bose crap in that car.

Here's a link: http://www.350zmotoring.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1931.html

edit: Personally I don't hate Bose as a company. I just think they make horrible speakers.

Concerning spending $100s on cables, it all depends on your budget. The people that spend that amount of money on cables probably have equipment that costs $1000s. Again all based on your budget. You try to match everything to the same level when you buy things. You don't build a computer with a top-of-the-line processor, motherboard, memory, etc. and put in a 2MB S3 Virge video card. You don't buy a mansion and put in lawn chairs as the furniture (unless you're Jed Clampett).

The problem with companies that review things such as Consumer Reports are that they are just that. Companies. They're out to make money. They need it in order to continue existing as a company. The best places to get reviews on things aren't companies like Consumer Reports; the best places to get reviews are people who buy the product - the consumers. Forums abound on the internet ( like this one) that have people reviewing everything. Those are your best bet.

 

[ATLien247]

I don't think that the main selling point for Dyson is that they're bagless, but that they never lose suction.

As for being bagless, the Dyson is a lot easier (and less messy) to empty than other bagless vaccums that I've used. Clearly, nothing of the magnitude that Thegonagle mentioned.

 

[DPmaster]

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