E6300 vs AMD3000+(754)

[amir911]

Well i just want you advice on something guys.

I have a solid system which is:

AMD 3000+ 754
ASUS K8N-E
1 GIG of KINGMAX DDR533
ATI X800XL

i was thinking to get this system to do an cheap upgrade and this is the max i can afford:

Intel E6300
ASROCK 775-DUAL-VSTA
SAME RAM
SAME AGP CARD

what would i gain from thing if there is anything to gain?
i play games in a normal level.
not an overclocker.
i want a stable system though, fast like the one i have now.

Thanks

 

[amir911]

oh i need to buy a fan controller too since this mobo has only two fan slots and i have 6 fans in my case.

$220
$75
$30

good or bad?dono

Also is the stock fan okay for the cpu? is it loud and can it be controlled from a fan controller?

 

[regnez]

Some generally good advice is to keep your system until it no longer does what you want/need it to do.

If you are really looking to upgrade, however, there is really not much sense in sticking with an AGP board and DDR memory. AGP is fading fast, with the X1950Pro likely being the last good card, and DDR2 memory would be a better investment as it offers better performance for the same price as DDR.

Even though you already have the DDR memory, you are likely going to want to upgrade in the future (especially with Windows Vista), so you are going to be buying new ram eventually anyways, and you may as well make it DDR2.

If I were you, I would just stick with the system you have until you are displeased with it, and then do a full upgrade when you have the money.

 

[Hyperlite]

Unfortunantly i don't think you would gain much from upgrading your processor alone. If i were you, i would keep saving until i could do a complete overhaul.

 

[Captante]

Yes the 6300 C2D would be faster, but I wouldn't bother upgrading until you have a bit more money saved & can do it right.

 

[myocardia]

What hasn't been mentioned yet is that the processor you already have is nearly as fast as your video card. Getting a faster processor won't change a thing, concerning gaming. Other things that require cpu power will benefit, but not gaming, at least not with an X800XL. If I were you, I'd overclock your processor a bit, to hold you over until you can upgrade completely.

 

[amir911]

so far all say no.

i guess there must be a reason

 

[myocardia]

BTW, I just noticed you're running DDR533 RAM. Why, unless you're overclocking? Assuming your 3000 is a Venice, you ought to be able to run it at 2.4 Ghz, if not faster.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: amir911
Well i just want you advice on something guys.

I have a solid system which is:

AMD 3000+ 754
ASUS K8N-E
1 GIG of KINGMAX DDR533
ATI X800XL

i was thinking to get this system to do an cheap upgrade and this is the max i can afford:

Intel E6300
ASROCK 775-DUAL-VSTA
SAME RAM
SAME AGP CARD

what would i gain from thing if there is anything to gain?
i play games in a normal level.
not an overclocker.
i want a stable system though, fast like the one i have now.

Thanks

below is my recommendation for cheap and fast system that will hold you till K8L.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157097
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103584
$300 all you have to spend and use your AGP card and DDR rams.
The Opteron 175 has a great heatpipe cooler and without any effort can overclock to 2.7ghz. I know you dont overclock but that board w/ ULI1695 chipset and the opteron can easily overcloock to 2.7-2.8ghz and you should not have any worries about temp or instability. You can decide down the line to stay amd and upgrade to K8l or change to C2D. Either way if changing cpu o C2D or k8L you will have to change memory, vid card, and motherboard, but w/ above suggestion I made, you will have a decent system that can play any games and Vista ready. The Asrock board has PCIe and AGP at full spec that will give you an option of upgrade to PCIe vid card without changing the whole system. The board also has an upgrade path w/ a slot for AM2, if decided to buy any future K8L. but If changing to AM2 a new motherboard would be more feasible than the Asrock's AM2 slot change.

 

[amir911]

i am not a OC guy
so why stay with an old single channel DDR 754 3000+???

 

[Bradtechonline]

I got a 3700+ S754, and I am pleased with it. I bought a PCI Express Socket 754 Motherboard, and put a 7600 GT in there. I can play Oblivion/FEAR both maxed out at 1024x768 with very little lag. I only spent around 100 bucks on my video card, and 56.00 bucks on my motherboard with 35.00 MIR.

FEAR 1024x768 Max Details 4x AA
Doom 3 1024x768 Max Details 4x AA
Quake 4 1024x768 Max Details 4x AA

 

[amir911]

so all say no

 

[rogue1979]

If your 3000+ is a Venice, it is begging to be overclocked.

My kids both have 3000+ at 2.6GHz^ low core voltage rock stable.

A small change in attitude and a little research as well as trial and error will

get you a free upgrade.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: amir911
so all say no

What's with all the winking? You seem unusually happy when people are concerned that you're cheaping out on the other components. What do you want to use the computer for?

 

[amir911]

dude it is a 754 pin so it is the old type whister i recall

ASUS K8N-E 754 not 939

 

[Bradtechonline]

Get a PCI Express socket 754 mobo, and take that money, and dump it into a nice GPU upgrade.

I got a friend running a 3000+ with a 7900 GT. He plays maxed out in everything.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: amir911
dude it is a 754 pin so it is the old type whister i recall

ASUS K8N-E 754 not 939

Dude, they make Skt. 754 Venices, and people run them all the time at 2.6 Ghz and up. BTW, my very old Clawhammer Skt. 754 3700 will do 2.7 Ghz.

 

[nullzero]

I run two rigs my new rig is a e6600 @ 3.56ghz with 2 gigs of ram and a 8800GTS. Second rig is a socket 754 on a DFI nf3 mobo with a 3000+ venice at 2.78ghz 1gig of ram and a 6800GT. I was suprised that the socket 754 is able to keep up in games even can run Supreme Commander decently (on medium to low settings though) FEAR runs nicely on the socket 754 with very little lag and I am able to game at 1280x1024 with medium settings (turning off some of the extra shadow effects like soft shadows) getting good FPS over +40. The e6600 system as you would imagine runs everything flawless maxed out resolutions etc.

If you are looking to run big resolutions with everything maxed and are looking to play CPU intensive games like Supreme Commander upgrade to a e6300. If you are happy running at resolutions like 1280x1024 with medium settings then the socket 754 will do perfectly fine. The difference in FEAR and other FPS games is not that big compared to playing Supreme Commander between the two systems (I assume this is because of the usage of the GPU vs the CPU between the two games). The e6600 can handle 4 times more units before it starts lagging with all settings up in Supreme . Supreme Commander is multi core optimzed so that is more then likely the reason between the big performance difference.

Multiple Core CPUs are the only way to go when all the next generation games come out. I think you can get another half a year to a year of life out of your socket 754 and then I would make the switch. Next year around Q2 we will start seeing a few titles that are +2 cores or more optimized. Once this trend picks up across the rest of the games it would be a good time to switch (I would wait till Source engine goes multicore support to upgrade to dual core or more if you havent yet.)

 

[amir911]

i still dono what to do?
how about e6400?

 

[Roguestar]

Save up for a bit then go for the e6300 and a cheap LGA775 PCI-E motherboard and an x1950Pro.

 

[nyker96]

amir911, I think your upgrade of processor + AGP mb will boost your application/multi-tasking speed but not your games since that is limited by your vid card. If you use your rig for gaming mostly, you need a upgrade path that includes a vid card change. So unless you are looking to go dual core to boost application speed then go for this upgrade.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: amir911
what would i gain from thing if there is anything to gain?
i play games in a normal level.
not an overclocker.

You'll gain a longer e-peen, FTW!

Just over a year ago I went from a socket 754 Newcastle 2800+ (overclocked) to a socket 939 x2 3800+ (overclocked) and... everything felt exactly the same. Web pages didn't come through any faster and games didn't play any better. Biggest upgrade would have been the video card (at a later date), allowing me to play higher resolutions while retaining framerate.

If you want to upgrade, just GO FOR IT! The C2D are not bad chips - heck they are as good as you can get these days short of the quad core versions for $1k+.

 

[rogue1979]

If I was only gaming, (which is pretty much what I use my computer for) I would concentrate on a video card upgrade. Cheapest solution, ditch the agp motherboard and get the Biostar M9 PCI-e motherboard at newegg for $53. You don't even need the t-force because when you overclock your 3000+ you will have a 10X multiplier so the fsb speed will be somewhere around 260 give or take 10.
Newegg also has the Radeon X1900GT for $179. For less money then you were
talking about spending you will be gaming much faster.