Early 90nm Athlon64s hitting 3GHz?

[dannybin1742]

regarding AMD, predicting such things as their stock price doubling in 2004

look what it did in 2003, and i'm about $2k richer now because of it, its not just him, other analyssts are leaning toward him

another tech to look at for you investors out there is MKTY they will be market leaders in small fuel cells, they hold all pantent for methanol/water pumpless fuel cells, prototypes have already been demonstrated to run 10X longer than today's batteries and they are backed by huge companies like duracell/gillete, and flewtronics

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

regarding AMD, predicting such things as their stock price doubling in 2004

look what it did in 2003, and i'm about $2k richer now because of it, its not just him, other analyssts are leaning toward him

another tech to look at for you investors out there is MKTY they will be market leaders in small fuel cells, they hold all pantent for methanol/water pumpless fuel cells, prototypes have already been demonstrated to run 10X longer than today's batteries and they are backed by huge companies like duracell/gillete, and flewtronics

In 2003, most tech stocks did well coming off lows in March.

I'll wait reports from early overclockers instead of report from stock analyst.

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Wow. And this is only the first revision of chips a 0.09um. Remember the tbred-a vs. the tbred-b? Huge difference. Hopefully that will carry forward for AMD.

yeah i remember that. I was amazed at the B-revision.

I wanna see this 3GHZ AMD chip. I can only salivate wanting one.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

I have a feeling we won't be seeing a 3GHZ chip anytime soon at stock. The 4000+ will be at 2600 and I don't think they would release a 4400+? at 2800 until the FX-55 at the same speed and 90nm process comes out in 1st Half of 2005. It wouldn't make sense for the Flagship processor to be slower than the mainstream processor yet cost 200 dollars more, but this is a technology company.

Overclocking on the other hand :beer::laugh::beer:[/quote]

The Dothan core from what I seen is very competitive up to a point. Some of the scientific based benches and some game benches it is pretty smoked by the AMD 64's and P4's. It will be interesting to see how the shorter pipeline Dothan works with Hyperthreading (if at all). It will be interesting to see how Intel puts all the P4 optimizations into the PIII based core or if they completely redo it.

 

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
I have a feeling we won't be seeing a 3GHZ chip anytime soon at stock. The 4000+ will be at 2600 and I don't think they would release a 4400+? at 2800 until the FX-55 at the same speed and 90nm process comes out in 1st Half of 2005. It wouldn't make sense for the Flagship processor to be slower than the mainstream processor yet cost 200 dollars more, but this is a technology company.

Overclocking on the other hand :beer::laugh::beer:

The Dothan core from what I seen is very competitive up to a point. Some of the scientific based benches and some game benches it is pretty smoked by the AMD 64's and P4's. It will be interesting to see how the shorter pipeline Dothan works with Hyperthreading (if at all). It will be interesting to see how Intel puts all the P4 optimizations into the PIII based core or if they completely redo it.[/quote]

I really think if AMD can hit 3ghz at realease they should. I think in thier position they really need to make a stir and doing something like that would do just that (like ATI did with the 9700)

 

[BDSM]

We all really don't know sh!t about how good the new 0,09 nM process will scale. It looks now that it is perhaps in a little better shape than Intel's but we really don't know for sure yet.

Anyway... According to those benchmarks the new (and by me unexpected) improvements to the core give a healthy boost of about 5% in certain apps. That is if true for more than just cpu mark very nice!


Personally I don't doubt AMD will get to 3 ghz, it's just a matter of when.

Dothan is not bad but I doubt it will benefit much from higher bus speeds given the huge cache it uses today.. Sure it is a cool running chip but that doesn't mean at all that it will scale to 3 ghz any time soon.

We have a few exciting months ahead of us.. I would LOVE to have an A64 @ 3 ghz on an nForce4 mobo with soundstorm.. And ofcourse a 6800 Ultra.. mmmmmhhh

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: BDSM
We have a few exciting months ahead of us.. I would LOVE to have an A64 @ 3 ghz on an nForce4 mobo with soundstorm.. And ofcourse a 6800 Ultra.. mmmmmhhh

Yeah I know, it's just a matter of managing to hold off upgrading until the end of the year. I don't think I can do it. That's my plan though; 0.09um A64, nForce4 S939 w/ SoundStorm, PCI-E 6800/X800/R500 (maybe?).

 

[acejj26]

who says dothan has lots of room to scale?...remember, its based off the p3 core which topped out at 1.4 GHz in its day and now with a bunch of tweaks, its up to 2.0 GHz on an advanced 90 nm process. just because it doesn't eat up much power doesn't mean it has a lot of headroom...a Via C3 consumes much less power than dothan but that doesn't mean it has a lot of headroom.

if a64 can hit 3 GHz on the first revision of 90nm with air cooling and low power consumption, then for the next 18 months, intel is gonna be in a WORLD of hurt. well, how many times have we said that, based on performance of AMD processors, only to see their marketing department drop the ball?

btw, dual core will still be nice with XP Pro or Win2k Pro because the O/S is programmed for 2 processors and makes general computing much smoother, regardless if the specific app(s) you're working on take advantage of it

 

[DarkMadMax]

if a64 can hit 3 GHz on the first revision of 90nm with air cooling and low power consumption, then for the next 18 months, intel is gonna be in a WORLD of hurt. well, how many times have we said that, based on performance of AMD processors, only to see their marketing department drop the ball

AMD marketing already "dropped the ball" - with all the advantages today NX ,Cool n Quiey ,64 bit , Overhweling 32 bit performance -none of those intel has , would be a good time to market aggressively and educate mass public about amd processors ,especially in comparison to intel. -Yet they never did it. AMD 64 appeared almost a year ago ,yet general public has no clue about it.


Moreover when intels finally implements technologies she stole from AMD (NX ,64 bit ) - they gonna do a massive marketing on those feautres and drive amd back to nothing again. AMD are marketing idiots - I just pray they will stay afloat and continue making good processors for 2-3% of enthusiasts. Though with the way thing are going imho they will go bankrupt sooner or later. - or stay forever unknown company making "intel compatible processors".

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

"who says dothan has lots of room to scale?"

have you see how it performes at 2.4ghz? its on par or better with the P4 3.4EE, with a fraction of the heat. this is running 400mhz FSB, and single channel DDR ram.

put the dothan on a desktop board with DDR2, a higher FSB, and dual channel, it will romp. make it dual core and you will have a serious chip. some more minor modifications and maybe this chip can hit 3ghz.

 

[mamisano]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
"Dual Core won't do anything for you unless the software is programmed for it, that's why we don't see many people running duallies for desktops."

well what about HTing then? also, dual setups are rare now because of their price. if dual cores become a common thing it will be accepted like anything else, like x86-64.

Well, HT only helps in Mutli-Tasking when used in a Desktop. The only way HT is better in benchmarking is when the software is specifically written for dual cpus.... Like with Photoshop. Look at all the gaming benchmarks, if HT was all that then the P4 would not get trounced by the A64.

The same thing will happen with dual core, unless the OS sees it as one logical processor and the CPU or Mainboard handle pushing data to both processors without needing specific software....which I highly doubt will happen.

 

[jrphoenix]

Are the 90 nm parts due out in September? I may be able to hold off on my upgrade until then?

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: mamisano

Well, HT only helps in Mutli-Tasking when used in a Desktop. The only way HT is better in benchmarking is when the software is specifically written for dual cpus.... Like with Photoshop. Look at all the gaming benchmarks, if HT was all that then the P4 would not get trounced by the A64.

The same thing will happen with dual core, unless the OS sees it as one logical processor and the CPU or Mainboard handle pushing data to both processors without needing specific software....which I highly doubt will happen.

well as i said,if dual core/HT typing CPU become main stream it will be adapted into code eventually just like new instructions. if 50% of the new CPUs being sold are dual-core then software makers are going to write code for them to make every program multi-thread.

 

[JBT]

If this is true it will be big things for AMD. Who knows they could actually gain some more market share and be a force to reckon with VS Intel we'll see hopefully this is true.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: mamisano
Well, HT only helps in Mutli-Tasking when used in a Desktop. The only way HT is better in benchmarking is when the software is specifically written for dual cpus....

Most of the people buying computers (*** see below) won't be benchmarking. They'll buy either the cheapest computer at the store or the cheapest computer with the best feature list. They don't know what all those features mean, but they'll buy into it (or the cheapest version of it). As for HT/dual-core being better, the same "most people" will find their systems not lagging as much as a non HT/dual-core system after Windows boots up with two different antivirus programs, pop-up blocker, three IM programs, countless malware and worms, realtray, musicmatch tray, aoltray, qttask, printer monitor, palm hotsync, etc. etc. etc., all on bootup, before the "most people" click on whatever application they're really wanting to use. If that isn't multi-tasking, what is?


*** If you want to know who "most people" are, just hang out at the local office/electronic/warehouse superstore and see what people buy. #1 the cheapest computer in the store. #2 the cheapest computer in the store that has the longest features list. "Most people" don't even know what a benchmark is.

 

[Acanthus]

Extemesystems.org only got theirs to 2.5ghz.

Take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
its funny to see something thats largely 1999 technology still doing so well

Are you talking about the Athlon 64 or the Dothan?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Extemesystems.org only got theirs to 2.5ghz.

Take this with a grain of salt.

As you should with EVERY pre-production engineering sample "review." Current A64 FX's are capable of near 3 GHz but require extreme cooling. It's definately NOT impossible... that's usually the way things work out... extreme overclockers find the max when a fairly new core is released, and near the end of that core's life cycle you see models at about the same speed as the extreme overclocker.

*EDIT* And the bad thing about the market currently is that there's no push from Intel to force AMD to release faster CPU's into the market. No doubt they have some sitting in their lab that they probably exchange looks and chuckles about when they test them. Still, even though Intel is a little stagnant right now, they're definately not out of the game, so don't count them out. They wouldn't completely redesign a socket if it wasn't going to allow them to do different/better things. And they're definately not just sitting at their desks tapping a 3.6EE on the desk saying "well boys... lets see if we can make this run 3.8 reliably." You can bet the lights are on in their R&D labs 24/7.

 

[Lyfer]

That would be ownage if this is true.

 

[Regs]

This is very exciting news for AMD. AMD CPU's are so efficient per clock cycle, even an 100 MHz over clock on a A64 is substantial. I can't imagine tacking on another 800 MHz on a 2.2 GHz A64.

 

[WA261]

I am getting close... 2.76 on my A64

 

[zephyrprime]

If this is true, that's really remarkable. New processes seldom get so much more speed right out of the gate. I wonder how much of an effect that black ice low-k stuff has?

 

[Megatomic]

Wow, this is very cool. I know it's unfounded rumor right now but I can't help myself.


I'm with BDSM, I can't wait for a 3GHz A64/NF4/DCDDR system.

 

[JackHawksmoor]

Quick calculation-if the Athlon 64's performance scales well with clock speed, then a 3Ghz one would be the equivalent of a "4700+" part. And these new versions should be even faster at the same clock speed than the current version. In a game with a 20% performance advantage in the Athlon 64's favor, that would mean the Pentium 4 would have to hit 5727Mhz to equal a 3Ghz Athlon 64

 

[imported_jediknight]

I wouldn't be surprised if AMD has the same sort of problems Intel is having with moving to the 90nm process (ie: HEAT DISSIPATION!! Those transistors leak current big time!!)

But a 3 GHz A64 would be sweet..