Early Roberts docs released

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It's pretty easy to see why O'Conner is saying that is a good man. He held her hand the whole way through her confirmation and told her how to lie without lying.

Roberts documents reveal a conservative

From the CNN Political Unit
Wednesday, July 27, 2005; Posted: 9:50 p.m. EDT (01:50 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The National Archives on Tuesday released 15,000 pages of government documents pertaining to Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts Jr. from his days as a young lawyer in the Reagan-era Justice Department.

The documents were written between September 1981 and November 1982, when Roberts was a special assistant to U.S. Attorney General William French Smith.

CNN reviewed many of the key documents, and highlights are listed below.
Advising O'Connor

Roberts helped Sandra Day O'Connor prepare for her 1981 Supreme Court confirmation hearings.

  • # In a September 9, 1981, memo to O'Connor, Roberts argued that Supreme Court nominees should not answer questions on specific cases, citing the "appearance of impropriety":

    "The proposition that the only way senators can ascertain a nominee's views is through questions on specific cases should be rejected. If nominees will lie concerning their philosophy, they will lie in response to specific questions as well.

    "The suggestion that a simple understanding that no promise is intended when a nominee answers a specific question will completely remove the disqualification problem is absurd. The appearance of impropriety remains."

  • # In a September 17, 1981, memo to Kenneth Starr, then a counselor to the attorney general, Roberts described his role in preparing O'Connor:

    "My involvement in the Judge O'Connor appointment process began my first day on the job, August 10. I started in on the process of preparing draft answers to questions that were likely to be asked during the confirmation hearings.

    "The approach was to avoid giving specific responses to any direct questions on legal issues likely to come before the Court, but demonstrating in the response a firm command of the subject area and awareness of the relevant precedents and arguments."

  • # Roberts drafted possible questions and suggested responses for O'Connor on issues such as judicial activism and immigration policy.

  • # Roberts indicated he briefed O'Connor on past confirmation hearing questions and testimony (including what he called "particularly good answers").

  • # Roberts helped compile profiles of Senate Judiciary Committee members, including identifying their likely areas of questioning, "pet projects and concerns."

  • # Roberts indicated he held mock confirmation hearings with O'Connor, posing questions to her from past confirmation hearings.

School prayer

Roberts drafted an argument at the request of the attorney general on limiting the power of federal courts to rule on school prayer cases, according to a April 13, 1982, memo:

"We have concluded that Congress has the Constitutional power to divest the lower federal courts of jurisdiction over school prayer cases."
Affirmative action

Roberts had harsh words for a positive report on affirmative action by Arthur Flemming, the outgoing chairman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, according to a December 22, 1981, memo to the attorney general:

"The logic of the report is perfectly circular: the evidence of structural discrimination consists of disparate results, so it is only cured when 'correct' results are achieved through affirmative action quotas. Perhaps the clearest example of the self-serving nature of the report is found in the dismissal of failures in affirmative action as caused not by inherent flaws but 'sabotage.'

"There is no recognition of the obvious reason for failure: the affirmative action program required the recruiting of inadequately prepared candidates.

"I have drafted an innocuous reply to Chairman Flemming. The report is attached, although I do not recommend reading it."
Habeas Corpus/due process

In a November 12, 1981, memo, Roberts argued for restrictions of habeas corpus protections, which allows prisoners to petition a court that their case be reviewed and provides for a federal check against possible abuses by state officials:

"The current availability of federal habeas corpus, particularly for state prisoners, goes far to making a mockery of the entire criminal justice system.

"It is almost inconceivable that a rational legal system, even one with full concern for the Constitutional rights of criminal defendants, would be designed to approximate the present system arrived at through time by an uncoordinated process of judicial and legislation accretions."

Judicial activism/sign-language case

In a July 7, 1982, memo to the attorney general, Roberts criticized a lower court ruling requiring that a school board provide a free sign-language interpreter for a hearing-impaired student who had already been provided with tutors and a hearing aid:

"The lower courts, in an exercise of judicial activism, used the vague statutory language to overrule the board and substitute their own judgment of appropriate educational policy, imposing a requirement of an interpreter."

Limiting Supreme Court's reach

Roberts argued that Congress had the power to limit the Supreme Court's appellate jurisdiction on controversial issues, like abortion, busing and school prayer -- but advised that doing so would be "bad policy," according to recently released memos.

A document dated April 12, 1982 shows that Roberts disagreed with the view of then-Assistant Attorney General Ted Olson that Republican legislation in Congress to limit such jurisdiction faced constitutional problems.

The Justice Department later sent a letter to the Senate and House Judiciary committees, concluding that Congress not curtail the high court's jurisdiction, the documents show.

Three years later, in a memo to his boss in the White House counsel's office, Fred Fielding, Roberts would still argue that the Senate bill to stop the Supreme Court from hearing challenges to voluntary school prayer laws was constitutional.

But he also advised that the Justice Department not reverse course and to "let sleeping dogs (an apt reference, given my view of the opinion) lie," he wrote.

CNN obtained the Fielding memo from a source with access to Roberts' documents.

The debate over the Supreme Court's jurisdiction centers on Article III, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.

The language says that the Supreme Court "shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make."

In the 1982 memo, Roberts wrote "NO!" in the margin next to one of Olson's arguments. He also offered a handwritten retort to Olson's contention that the Reagan administration would be seen as "courageous" by opposing such limits.

"Real courage would be to read the Constitution as it should be read and not kowtow to the Tribes, Lewises and Brinks!" Roberts wrote.

("Tribes" likely refers to liberal Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe. The Washington Post speculates that "Lewises" and "Brinks" refer to New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis and then-American Bar Association President David Brink, who opposed the legislation.)

Olson had argued that the legislation was unnecessary because the Supreme Court already had a majority of Republican-appointed justices.

In response to this argument, Roberts underlined the names of Justices Blackmun and Stevens, two Republican appointees known for their liberal votes.

He also drew an arrow connecting Blackmun's name to the word "abortion." Blackmun was the author of the Roe v. Wade decision, which said that women had a constitutional right to an abortion.

Sex discrimination (Title IX)

Roberts advocated a narrow reading of federal Title IX laws, which bar sex discrimination in educational institutions that receive federal funding.

In an August 31, 1982, memo to the attorney general, he argued that a university's athletics program is not subject to Title IX anti-discrimination laws if that specific program does not receive federal funds, regardless of whether the university itself receives federal funds:

"Under Title IX, federal investigators cannot rummage willy-nilly through institutions, but can go only as far as the federal funds can go."

"The women's groups pressuring us to appeal would have regulatory agencies usurp power denied them by Congress to achieve an anti-discrimination goal. Under your leadership the Department is committed to opposing such legislation by the bureaucracy and that commitment should continue in this case."
Busing/school desegregation

Roberts drafted a letter on April 6, 1982, in the Attorney General's name on the constitutionality of anti-busing proposals. The letter supported proposed legislation that would limit the power of federal courts to use busing as a means of desegregating schools:

"We do not believe busing is necessary to provide the equal educational opportunity mandated by Brown" (Brown v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court decision that overturned the "separate but equal" doctrine for public facilities).

"The bill would protect all students from transportation to schools distant from their homes, irrespective of their race."
 

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I have to say I agree with him on a lot of points here. He also sounds a whole lot cleaner than 99% of political candidates.
 

Genx87

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omg a conservative?

I am more surprised the sun rose this morning.

But I eagerly await the mud the liberals will start throwing now that they have had some time to google.

I predict within a couple of weeks he will be nothing short of a religious radical nutjob according to the left.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I predict within a couple of weeks he will be nothing short of a religious radical nutjob according to the left.

You didn't get the memo? It seems he misspelled Marielitos--get ready--TWICE in his writings!!!! I sure hope Lehey and Schumer let the American people know about this and why he's not fit to serve the highest court in the land.


"In a proposed response to a letter from Gov. Bob Graham of Florida about the disposition of Cuban refugees from the Mariel boatlift of 1980, he repeatedly misspelled Marielitos (writing "Marielitoes") and rendered the capital of Cuba three times as "Havanna."

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BushBasha
Originally posted by: Genx87
I predict within a couple of weeks he will be nothing short of a religious radical nutjob according to the left.

You didn't get the memo? It seems he misspelled Marielitos--get ready--TWICE in his writings!!!! I sure hope Lehey and Schumer let the American people know about this and why he's not fit to serve the highest court in the land.


"In a proposed response to a letter from Gov. Bob Graham of Florida about the disposition of Cuban refugees from the Mariel boatlift of 1980, he repeatedly misspelled Marielitos (writing "Marielitoes") and rendered the capital of Cuba three times as "Havanna."

omg not only is he conservative but he is obviously racist!

 

umbrella39

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Do you ever get tired of the board ignoring your troll rants? He is almost as much of a non-issue as yourself here.
 

zendari

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omgwtfbbq a conservative RRR FLL right to choose bush lied people died propagandist ahole right to choose american taliban right to choose chickenhawk diebold fascist nucular antichrist no war for oil antiamerican right to choose omgwtf filibuster!

I think that covers all of the left's responses
 
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Originally posted by: BushBasha
Originally posted by: Genx87
I predict within a couple of weeks he will be nothing short of a religious radical nutjob according to the left.

You didn't get the memo? It seems he misspelled Marielitos--get ready--TWICE in his writings!!!! I sure hope Lehey and Schumer let the American people know about this and why he's not fit to serve the highest court in the land.


"In a proposed response to a letter from Gov. Bob Graham of Florida about the disposition of Cuban refugees from the Mariel boatlift of 1980, he repeatedly misspelled Marielitos (writing "Marielitoes") and rendered the capital of Cuba three times as "Havanna."
Maybe Dan Quayle was his editor.
 

BushBasha

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Originally posted by: zendari
omgwtfbbq a conservative RRR FLL right to choose bush lied people died propagandist ahole right to choose american taliban right to choose chickenhawk diebold fascist nucular antichrist no war for oil antiamerican right to choose omgwtf filibuster!

I think that covers all of the left's responses

Least we forget that he's *gasp* gay (Peppermint Patty Stories).



 

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Originally posted by: BushBasha
Originally posted by: Genx87
I predict within a couple of weeks he will be nothing short of a religious radical nutjob according to the left.

You didn't get the memo? It seems he misspelled Marielitos--get ready--TWICE in his writings!!!! I sure hope Lehey and Schumer let the American people know about this and why he's not fit to serve the highest court in the land.


"In a proposed response to a letter from Gov. Bob Graham of Florida about the disposition of Cuban refugees from the Mariel boatlift of 1980, he repeatedly misspelled Marielitos (writing "Marielitoes") and rendered the capital of Cuba three times as "Havanna."

I'm a Cuban who had a large amount of family members leave Cuba during the Mariel or through Peru embassy.I rather take this guy's misspellings over Castro calling the pppl wanting to leave at the time "Escoria"(sh!t) and having the state police launch rocks at them.Now that sucks all for some freedom you gotta suffer being hit with rocks and verbally trashed.

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: zendari
omgwtfbbq a conservative RRR FLL right to choose bush lied people died propagandist ahole right to choose american taliban right to choose chickenhawk diebold fascist nucular antichrist no war for oil antiamerican right to choose omgwtf filibuster!

I think that covers all of the left's responses

No, it covers the little circle jerk you etrolls have going on here. Most of us have NO problems with Roberts. He seems like a good guy who will rule by law and not ideology. Can't ask for more than that. But keep on tugging, we just sit back and laugh. I for one have contacted my reps to inform them to worry about the 06 elections and let this one slide. It could have been much, much worse than Roberts.
 

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Originally posted by: BushBasha
Originally posted by: zendari
omgwtfbbq a conservative RRR FLL right to choose bush lied people died propagandist ahole right to choose american taliban right to choose chickenhawk diebold fascist nucular antichrist no war for oil antiamerican right to choose omgwtf filibuster!

I think that covers all of the left's responses

Least we forget that he's *gasp* gay (Peppermint Patty Stories).

I wish that I would have been able to get a post with all of your screen names included....but you know who you are. This will just have to suffice for all of you.

I have to ask.....do any of you have anything that is even remotely relevant to the topic to add or do you really think that you are amusing? If so, you are way off the mark on both accounts.

The post was not to break the news that he was a conservative as you must have some self-doubts that it is a good thing to be or you wouldn't be acting like this. It was to spark a discussion about what his views are that will be affecting EVERY citizen for the next 50-100 years. But I guess in all of your infinate trolling, you must have all missed that.

Good job....keep up the good work.
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

The post was not to break the news that he was a conservative ... It was to spark a discussion about what his views are that will be affecting EVERY citizen for the next 50-100 years.

Oh, sorry; I didn't realize that these were your aims...perhaps I missed that in:

"He held her hand the whole way through her confirmation and told her how to lie without lying."


[edit]I guess you just took a page out of his book (How to lie about your aims without lying in your followup troll post). Well-done, buddy. right back at you. <--new to this whole childish "cookie" game, so had to add the ;


 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
He held her hand the whole way through her confirmation and told her how to lie without lying.
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I read it again and I see your point; I guess you did preface the piece with an objective proposition in hopes of sparking intellectual debate. I stand corrected (or do I?)


 

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: zendari
omgwtfbbq a conservative RRR FLL right to choose bush lied people died propagandist ahole right to choose american taliban right to choose chickenhawk diebold fascist nucular antichrist no war for oil antiamerican right to choose omgwtf filibuster!

I think that covers all of the left's responses

No, it covers the little circle jerk you etrolls have going on here. Most of us have NO problems with Roberts. He seems like a good guy who will rule by law and not ideology. Can't ask for more than that. But keep on tugging, we just sit back and laugh. I for one have contacted my reps to inform them to worry about the 06 elections and let this one slide. It could have been much, much worse than Roberts.
You might want to head over to NARAL and DU and advise them to do the same. It'll be better than Roberts next time, believe me.

Check out my sig for some vintage Democratic action!
 

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I hate DU. Too many idiots that do nothing but drag the party down over there. Echo the next nominee. I am Roberts is just a precursor for the real bomb
 

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well, according to the constitution the congress does have the power to decide the jurisidiction of US courts, so i don't see how his writing that should be in any way alarming. he did say, after all, that it would be bad policy to change the jurisdiction.


and with o'connor it seems like he approached it in the same was as prepping a witness. big deal. the supreme court does not answer hypothetical questions for various good reasons, why should potential justices?
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
well, according to the constitution the congress does have the power to decide the jurisidiction of US courts, so i don't see how his writing that should be in any way alarming. he did say, after all, that it would be bad policy to change the jurisdiction.


and with o'connor it seems like he approached it in the same was as prepping a witness. big deal. the supreme court does not answer hypothetical questions for various good reasons, why should potential justices?

..nor did Clinton's picks answer any questions. But I fail to remember MoveOn.org-type sites screaming for them to ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!!! One side is childish; the other is in power. The American people are not as dumb as the intellectual elites think. They voted for Bush to be the president knowing that he would *gasp* nominate a conservative judge. So, in short, these groups, along with the Democratic Party, are fighting against the wishes of the American people. Hell, Reid said he would be damned if the Republicans are going to set the agenda for the next 3 years. Perhaps he needs to audit a government 101 class and see what winning the presidential election actually means and the policy implications. He seems to have forgotten how this game works (and forgotten where Daschle is right now and why he is not in power).
 

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Originally posted by: BushBasha
Originally posted by: ElFenix
well, according to the constitution the congress does have the power to decide the jurisidiction of US courts, so i don't see how his writing that should be in any way alarming. he did say, after all, that it would be bad policy to change the jurisdiction.


and with o'connor it seems like he approached it in the same was as prepping a witness. big deal. the supreme court does not answer hypothetical questions for various good reasons, why should potential justices?

..nor did Clinton's picks answer any questions. But I fail to remember MoveOn.org-type sites screaming for them to ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!!! One side is childish; the other is in power. The American people are not as dumb as the intellectual elites think. They voted for Bush to be the president knowing that he would *gasp* nominate a conservative judge. So, in short, these groups, along with the Democratic Party, are fighting against the wishes of the American people. Hell, Reid said he would be damned if the Republicans are going to set the agenda for the next 3 years. Perhaps he needs to audit a government 101 class and see what winning the presidential election actually means and the policy implications. He seems to have forgotten how this game works (and forgotten where Daschle is right now and why he is not in power).

You must not remember the Heritage Foundation condemning and trying to get Ginsberg tossed out then.

I think that Bush was nominated because of the right wing's ability to energize it's base through fear more than a majority wanted to follow his agenda. Look at the facts, he had less than a majority approval rating, the polls on SS were way under a majority, the polls on medicaid were way under a majority and the polls on the direction the country was headed were under a majority. He didn't get elected because people thought he was doing a swell job. He got re-elected because the right wing scared people into thinking that gays would be marrying in their Baptist churches and we would be asking Chirac how to fight a war and their teenage daughters would be forced to have abortions.

Oh, and ask the South Dakotans if they wouldn't give their left nuts, or in this case their air force base, to have Daschle and his seniority back in the Senate. You can be damned sure that there is no way that that state's largest employer would be closing up shop if they still had him there as minority leader. They figured that if they voted for a Repub, they would have more pull with the current administration and their gamble failed miserably.
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I think that Bush was nominated because of the right wing's ability to energize it's base through fear more than a majority wanted to follow his agenda. Look at the facts, he had less than a majority approval rating, the polls on SS were way under a majority, the polls on medicaid were way under a majority and the polls on the direction the country was headed were under a majority. He didn't get elected because people thought he was doing a swell job. He got re-elected because the right wing scared people into thinking that gays would be marrying in their Baptist churches and we would be asking Chirac how to fight a war and their teenage daughters would be forced to have abortions.

Keep telling yourself that...too funny..almost as funny as "Vote or Die" and Rathergate.

He got elected because 'mainstream' America believes that the Democrats fell off the deep end and nothing but extremists...keep holding your 'no war for oil' protests and keep putting petitions to fire an aide on johnkerry.com (not that I am questioning John Kerry's patriotism)...you clowns made the bed; now sleep in it.

Moore, MoveOn.org, Dean, et al...were godsend to the Republican party...thanks, guys, for bringing the party down even further over the last decade.

 
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This guy is going to make a great justice. He's pro states rights, not religious, and an unbiased interpreter of consitutional law. He'll easily be the most clear headed judge on the court.
 
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