Employee tardiness problem........

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: waggy
if its only 10 minutes. then it really depends on what kind of worker he is.

I had one guy that was always 10-30 minutes late. but he was one of hte best workers i had. there were many times he would stay 1-3 hours late to make sure stuff was done and done right. Not to mention he would work through lunch if needed.

i was willing to ignore little stuff to keep him around.

This would be allowable in my opinion. If you put in the extra time to make up for the amount of time you were late I would expect the person to double the amount of time they were late at least.

 

[theeedude]

I have flexible hours too. I usually don't even show up at work until after lunch, because I VPN in in the morning.
Some days I work 6 hours, other days I stay late, work 10+ hours. Sometimes I come in on the weekends. It all depends. We have cyclical work demands, so there are droughts and floods.
If my boss said, hey you gotta be in here at 8, I would do it. Of course then I'd be out at 5 like clockwork, and no working on weekends either, plus I'd update my resume. You can't have it both ways. If he wants the flexibility of having me stay late and work weekends, he has to give me some flexibility.

 

[Kelemvor]

WHy not just adjust his scheduled and say he now starts at 8:15 and worked until 5:15 or whatever. That way he still gets his time in and won't be officially late. If he shows up early then that's OK too and he can just work an extra few minutes.

As long as he gets in 8 hours, most place I know don't care if you start a bit late as long as you then work a bit late to cover it. If he has to take the bus, he can't choose when the bus runs. If the next earlier bus arrives 45 minutes earlier, then that probably wouldn't work either.

 

[UDT89]

my boss/owner bitches when im 3 minutes late.

I have never once been late more than 5 min, only when there is an accident or traffic, but he'll say to me "Good Afternoon"

meanwhile, he never says thank you when im here an hour past 530 when im supposed to leave.

i need a new job.

 

[UDT89]

oh and what does the owner think about you being on ATOT during work????

lol.

 

[Semper Fi]

In most cases circumstances come up and people should be given a break.
However, from what you say this is a habitual problem. Even if it's only 5 minutes, there is a lot you can do to save 5 minutes.

If it was me, he would be gone.

Are you sure he does a good job? Or does he slack off until it's down to the wire and then works his butt off?
In my opinion, his behavior is a good indicator that bigger problems are on the horizon.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: UDT89
my boss/owner bitches when im 3 minutes late.

I have never once been late more than 5 min, only when there is an accident or traffic, but he'll say to me "Good Afternoon"

meanwhile, he never says thank you when im here an hour past 530 when im supposed to leave.

i need a new job.

You should tell him "Good Morning" at 5:30pm on your way out

 

[markgm]

I never understood why places get hung up what time you show up or leave when it doesn't matter. I guess that's why I'm working at a place where I have to get in somewhere between 6:30am and 10am, if I choose not to work from home. I hate control freaks.

 

[redgtxdi]

He works hard.


Yes, parody funny.........but love the sig..........Yes, Toyota rules!


Everybody bends the rules at work when it comes to internet. We tried to get brutal abuot it & it just failed. E-mails turn into browsing, turn into youtube, etc. No audio on terminals (except mine) and I just keep my audio off.

ATOT is a great way for me to fill in the gaps. I work my @$$ off hard enough every day that I don't have to feel guilty about anything I do in a given day. ATOT is the LEAST of the owner's worries for my work day.

(Though, some members here, I'm sure.....contribute to my demise......LOL.... )


Anywhoo...........I took him aside & spoke w/ him about it. I told him this was it. Catch an earlier bus......period. It's actually my fault for not doing it yesterday, but I'm going to start showing up about 10 minutes earlier than I do now so I'll have everything up, running, coffee done brewing, etc. & maybe even start saying "Good afternoon" when ANYBODY shows up at 8:01.........:evil:

He said he hasn't ridden the bus in a long time & that they changed the schedule on him so he's figuring out how to catch the right bus to make it early. I told him to figure that out by tomorrow morning.

 

[jupiter57]

Originally posted by: waggy
if its only 10 minutes. then it really depends on what kind of worker he is.

I had one guy that was always 10-30 minutes late. but he was one of hte best workers i had. there were many times he would stay 1-3 hours late to make sure stuff was done and done right. Not to mention he would work through lunch if needed.

i was willing to ignore little stuff to keep him around.

I had a guy like that once!
One of the best Carpenters Helpers I'd ever seen. He would pull out all the stops to get the job done, and outwork most everyone else. I let it slide, but I always had to be sure to make him think I was Irate about it.
Ray Crawford, here's to you, buddy!

I had another a few years later, hired in as an apprentice with no skills. He was real inquisitive, always wanting to learn.a Hard worker also. Show him something one time, and it was his.
But, he also had a bad habit of being late more than being on time.
After a year or so, I had bumped him up to Carpenters pay, then later I told him I wanted him to be Lead Carpenter, but he would absolutely have to be on time every morning.
It worked.
Scott Pemberton, here's to you!

 

[krunchykrome]

10 minutes is not a big deal. I know that some places are strict with time though, like retail.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I was raised with the attitude that if you're not AT LEAST 15 minutes early...you're LATE!

As the saying goes, "To be early is to be on time. To be on time is to be late. To be late is unacceptable." If that's how the guy wants to run his company then that's his prerogative.

 

[slatr]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
He works hard.


Yes, parody funny.........but love the sig..........Yes, Toyota rules!


Everybody bends the rules at work when it comes to internet. We tried to get brutal abuot it & it just failed. E-mails turn into browsing, turn into youtube, etc. No audio on terminals (except mine) and I just keep my audio off.

ATOT is a great way for me to fill in the gaps. I work my @$$ off hard enough every day that I don't have to feel guilty about anything I do in a given day. ATOT is the LEAST of the owner's worries for my work day.

(Though, some members here, I'm sure.....contribute to my demise......LOL.... )


Anywhoo...........I took him aside & spoke w/ him about it. I told him this was it. Catch an earlier bus......period. It's actually my fault for not doing it yesterday, but I'm going to start showing up about 10 minutes earlier than I do now so I'll have everything up, running, coffee done brewing, etc. & maybe even start saying "Good afternoon" when ANYBODY shows up at 8:01.........:evil:

He said he hasn't ridden the bus in a long time & that they changed the schedule on him so he's figuring out how to catch the right bus to make it early. I told him to figure that out by tomorrow morning.

You sound like a good boss.

Now he has no doubt of what you expect and what is acceptable.

 

[Gunslinger08]

I come into work everyday somewhere between 9:15 and 9:45. I put my 8 hours in and nobody cares. Everyone else gets here from 7:45 to 8:15. I'm just not a morning person.

 

[UDT89]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I was raised with the attitude that if you're not AT LEAST 15 minutes early...you're LATE!

As the saying goes, "To be early is to be on time. To be on time is to be late. To be late is unacceptable." If that's how the guy wants to run his company then that's his prerogative.

i agree with that statement, but they dont pay me enough to care that much.

at the bar, where i make like 30 an hour cash to stand around, i'm there 30 min early every night and im the last to leave.

 

[redgtxdi]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I'm just not a morning person.

Amen & Hallelujiah!!!!

 

[IGBT]

..disciplinary hearing resulting in serious time on the beach(no pay) and next late call results in discharge. Too many people looking for a job that you can hire and never have a problem with. But if you want to get rid of the offender you have to cover your arse with a hearing.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Youse folks are spoiled. I've never worked a job where my starting time was variable. You HAD to be at work and ready to go at the set time, or you were fired. For much of my career, I drove more than an hoiur each way every day, some jobs it was more than 2 hours each way, and I still managed to be on time every day. Yes, commuting in the bay area occasionally throws some challenges at you, and ONCE in a while, some moron would so something stupid, and cause the CHP to close the freeway, and I'd be a few minutes late. When that happened, I ALWAYS called the foreman/superintendant to let them know what was going on.
I was raised with the attitude that if you're not AT LEAST 15 minutes early...you're LATE!
Since this is an office job, where it's not critical that the guy be there exactly at 8:00, MAYBE some leeway could be showed, BUT, if everyone else manages to be on time, why should this guy get special treatment?
IMO, give him a final warning, then either suspend him for a week, or fire his ass.

If my company wanted to be anal and say I have to be here at 9:00 on the dot or I'd be fired, I'd comply. I'm very capable of getting to work on time if I'm required to do so. But then I'd hold them to their end of the bargain too - I'm out the door at 5:00. Customer's server goes down at 4:58? See you at 9:00. (OK, I wouldn't actually do that, because I'm not a dick). I actually like my job, so I'm willing to work late to finish something up. I VPNed in at 11:00 last night, because I had an idea about something. My company gets more out of me by letting me do things my way than by making me show up at 9:00 every day.

I'd comply too, until my resume worked out and I found a different job. I really miss my last job, we had to be at work between 6 - 9 , variable by the day, and had the option of working an extra hour a day to take a half day on friday. if you only stayed an extra 2 hours, you worked a 6 hour day on friday. Need to take a long lunch? go for it, just make up the time. Turned down a couple of better paying jobs because that flexibility was so valuable.

 

[Minjin]

It all comes down to rules. If you set a rule (i.e. be here at XXXX time) you MUST enforce it. Otherwise you are teaching this employee (and everyone that sees these actions) that not only is it ok to break the rules, even when you tell them to stop, its ok to continue to break the rules.

Final warning then fire him.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I come into work everyday somewhere between 9:15 and 9:45. I put my 8 hours in and nobody cares. Everyone else gets here from 7:45 to 8:15. I'm just not a morning person.

that's acceptable if it's agreed upon. If the guy will set up a time say he can be there 30 minutes later than everyone else but he has to stay 30 minutes later and it's been agreed upon beforehand and ok'd by the bosses above then there isnt a problem. But if you show up 10 minutes late without notifying people that you're going to be late and expect to leave any less than 20 minutes later than normal you're being unreasonable imo.

I was also raised on be at least 15 minutes early for pretty much everything. If i'm 10 minutes early i feel like i'm running behind. But I also HATE making people wait for me.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Youse folks are spoiled. I've never worked a job where my starting time was variable. You HAD to be at work and ready to go at the set time, or you were fired. For much of my career, I drove more than an hoiur each way every day, some jobs it was more than 2 hours each way, and I still managed to be on time every day. Yes, commuting in the bay area occasionally throws some challenges at you, and ONCE in a while, some moron would so something stupid, and cause the CHP to close the freeway, and I'd be a few minutes late. When that happened, I ALWAYS called the foreman/superintendant to let them know what was going on.
I was raised with the attitude that if you're not AT LEAST 15 minutes early...you're LATE!
Since this is an office job, where it's not critical that the guy be there exactly at 8:00, MAYBE some leeway could be showed, BUT, if everyone else manages to be on time, why should this guy get special treatment?
IMO, give him a final warning, then either suspend him for a week, or fire his ass.

If my company wanted to be anal and say I have to be here at 9:00 on the dot or I'd be fired, I'd comply. I'm very capable of getting to work on time if I'm required to do so. But then I'd hold them to their end of the bargain too - I'm out the door at 5:00. Customer's server goes down at 4:58? See you at 9:00. (OK, I wouldn't actually do that, because I'm not a dick). I actually like my job, so I'm willing to work late to finish something up. I VPNed in at 11:00 last night, because I had an idea about something. My company gets more out of me by letting me do things my way than by making me show up at 9:00 every day.

I'd comply too, until my resume worked out and I found a different job. I really miss my last job, we had to be at work between 6 - 9 , variable by the day, and had the option of working an extra hour a day to take a half day on friday. if you only stayed an extra 2 hours, you worked a 6 hour day on friday. Need to take a long lunch? go for it, just make up the time. Turned down a couple of better paying jobs because that flexibility was so valuable.

I agree 100%. Treat your employees like adults who can manage their own time and you'll be amazed how productive most of us are. I'm much happier if I can come in when I want to, leave for a doctor's appointment or to meet a friend without a hassle, etc. I will give you 40+ hours a week if you give me a little freedom on the specific hours of the day.

 

[jupiter57]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Youse folks are spoiled. I've never worked a job where my starting time was variable. You HAD to be at work and ready to go at the set time, or you were fired. For much of my career, I drove more than an hoiur each way every day, some jobs it was more than 2 hours each way, and I still managed to be on time every day. Yes, commuting in the bay area occasionally throws some challenges at you, and ONCE in a while, some moron would so something stupid, and cause the CHP to close the freeway, and I'd be a few minutes late. When that happened, I ALWAYS called the foreman/superintendant to let them know what was going on.
I was raised with the attitude that if you're not AT LEAST 15 minutes early...you're LATE!
Since this is an office job, where it's not critical that the guy be there exactly at 8:00, MAYBE some leeway could be showed, BUT, if everyone else manages to be on time, why should this guy get special treatment?
IMO, give him a final warning, then either suspend him for a week, or fire his ass.

I did similar commutes for most of 20 years.
I allowed myself an extra 30 minutes every morning, just in case.

Remember, punctuality is a part of discipline, and discipline is a must. If you fail in your discipline, you will get railed.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Youse folks are spoiled. I've never worked a job where my starting time was variable. You HAD to be at work and ready to go at the set time, or you were fired. For much of my career, I drove more than an hoiur each way every day, some jobs it was more than 2 hours each way, and I still managed to be on time every day. Yes, commuting in the bay area occasionally throws some challenges at you, and ONCE in a while, some moron would so something stupid, and cause the CHP to close the freeway, and I'd be a few minutes late. When that happened, I ALWAYS called the foreman/superintendant to let them know what was going on.
I was raised with the attitude that if you're not AT LEAST 15 minutes early...you're LATE!
Since this is an office job, where it's not critical that the guy be there exactly at 8:00, MAYBE some leeway could be showed, BUT, if everyone else manages to be on time, why should this guy get special treatment?
IMO, give him a final warning, then either suspend him for a week, or fire his ass.

If my company wanted to be anal and say I have to be here at 9:00 on the dot or I'd be fired, I'd comply. I'm very capable of getting to work on time if I'm required to do so. But then I'd hold them to their end of the bargain too - I'm out the door at 5:00. Customer's server goes down at 4:58? See you at 9:00. (OK, I wouldn't actually do that, because I'm not a dick). I actually like my job, so I'm willing to work late to finish something up. I VPNed in at 11:00 last night, because I had an idea about something. My company gets more out of me by letting me do things my way than by making me show up at 9:00 every day.

I'd comply too, until my resume worked out and I found a different job. I really miss my last job, we had to be at work between 6 - 9 , variable by the day, and had the option of working an extra hour a day to take a half day on friday. if you only stayed an extra 2 hours, you worked a 6 hour day on friday. Need to take a long lunch? go for it, just make up the time. Turned down a couple of better paying jobs because that flexibility was so valuable.

I agree 100%. Treat your employees like adults who can manage their own time and you'll be amazed how productive most of us are. I'm much happier if I can come in when I want to, leave for a doctor's appointment or to meet a friend without a hassle, etc. I will give you 40+ hours a week if you give me a little freedom on the specific hours of the day.

If i was a boss i wouldnt have any trouble doing that. But i'd still expect you to keep me in the loop. It all depends on what business it is and what needs to get done at what times of the day though.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Youse folks are spoiled. I've never worked a job where my starting time was variable. You HAD to be at work and ready to go at the set time, or you were fired. For much of my career, I drove more than an hoiur each way every day, some jobs it was more than 2 hours each way, and I still managed to be on time every day. Yes, commuting in the bay area occasionally throws some challenges at you, and ONCE in a while, some moron would so something stupid, and cause the CHP to close the freeway, and I'd be a few minutes late. When that happened, I ALWAYS called the foreman/superintendant to let them know what was going on.
I was raised with the attitude that if you're not AT LEAST 15 minutes early...you're LATE!
Since this is an office job, where it's not critical that the guy be there exactly at 8:00, MAYBE some leeway could be showed, BUT, if everyone else manages to be on time, why should this guy get special treatment?
IMO, give him a final warning, then either suspend him for a week, or fire his ass.

If my company wanted to be anal and say I have to be here at 9:00 on the dot or I'd be fired, I'd comply. I'm very capable of getting to work on time if I'm required to do so. But then I'd hold them to their end of the bargain too - I'm out the door at 5:00. Customer's server goes down at 4:58? See you at 9:00. (OK, I wouldn't actually do that, because I'm not a dick). I actually like my job, so I'm willing to work late to finish something up. I VPNed in at 11:00 last night, because I had an idea about something. My company gets more out of me by letting me do things my way than by making me show up at 9:00 every day.

I'd comply too, until my resume worked out and I found a different job. I really miss my last job, we had to be at work between 6 - 9 , variable by the day, and had the option of working an extra hour a day to take a half day on friday. if you only stayed an extra 2 hours, you worked a 6 hour day on friday. Need to take a long lunch? go for it, just make up the time. Turned down a couple of better paying jobs because that flexibility was so valuable.

I agree 100%. Treat your employees like adults who can manage their own time and you'll be amazed how productive most of us are. I'm much happier if I can come in when I want to, leave for a doctor's appointment or to meet a friend without a hassle, etc. I will give you 40+ hours a week if you give me a little freedom on the specific hours of the day.

But being a rigid tyrant is so much more fun and self-inflating than having to think and possibly make an adjustment which could bring the company a benefit which greatly outweighs the loss.

 

[GoPackGo]

Tardy? 10 to 12 mins? You have to be kidding?

Why dont you adjust his schedule?

Where are you at? a big city?

So if he takes an earlier bus as YOU have instructed, and he arrives 15 or more minutes early, are you going to pay him the overtime? let him leave early?

Your best bet is to adjust his schedule 8:15 to 5:15 or 8:15 to 5:00 pm with a 45 min lunch.