Employee tardiness problem........

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
What kind of job? Is the 10 minutes really that big a problem?

yeah ... i dont think anyone cares in the tech industry about 10 minutes, i mean in LA its almost accepted everyone will be late just because of traffic.

i suppose it depends on the industry

 

[archiloco]

3 strikes, document everything, tell him to arrive early if need by (1hr.) if job's important to him, if he can't get a ride from roommate tell him to leave 1 hrs. early from his home in order to get there at 8am....there is no excuse he should not have to rely on his roommate for transportation.

 

[BigDH01]

Man, you guys are strict. When I worked retail while in school, I was always on time, but my current office job is quite different. I was assuming most people with degrees and salaried jobs have the same kind of flexibility that I do. My work even lets me take time Tuesday and Thursday to go to one of my classes.

Our office opens at 8, but I usually don't get here until 8:30. Some people in my office don't get here until 9. However, I have things that must get done during the day and people don't bother me unless they don't get done. And there are plenty of times where I don't get lunch and I have to work late. I was working until 7 last night so I don't feel too bad coming in 30 minutes late. My boss has described it the same way.

He was a former military officer and said that everyone in the military was always 10-15 minutes early but EVERYONE left as soon as the clock hit 5. They lived and died by the clock. He now realizes that people come in late but often do extra work from home at night or stay late. I've gotten emails from fellow employees before at 1 or 2 am in the morning. As long as my services are cost-recovered (I work for a university), no one says anything.

My old boss used to come in around 10, take a lunch at noon, and usually left around 4. He also works for the university, and his boss was in a different building. Now that's bad. I don't think 10 minutes late is anything to worry about as long as the work gets done. That is, unless his job depends on his being there on time, but it doesn't sound like that.

 

[redgtxdi]

FWIW, he showed up right on time today!!

 

[exdeath]

Instead of the 8:50 bus he should take the 8:25 bus on those days.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: lozina
man I'd hate to work at a place like that

:thumbsup: as long as he puts in the hours, and is a good overall worker, this puntuality BS should be ignored.

of course, I work in science where our hours are determined by animals' life cycles and rhythms.

 

[enis083]

Make his start time 8:30.

 

[Slacker]

Originally posted by: enis083
Make his start time 7:30.

fixed.

 

[JRich]

I'm at work at 4:55AM and I leave at 5:15-5:30PM. Our company has fired lots of people for being 10-15 minutes late. You've warned him. Can his arse.

 

[Alienwho]

The only time I could see this being a big deal is in retail (as many others have said). Office jobs? Pfft. At my current job I only show up on Mondays/Wednesdays/Fridays in the afternoon for an hour or two and make sure everybody sees my face and know I'm still around. Tuesdays/Thursdays I work from home. I work part time and go to school so everybody seems to understand. I see this as beneficial for all involved. I'm free to work basically whenever I want. I work when work needs to be done, it's that simple. Sometimes that means 15 hours a week, sometimes that means 35. Whatever it takes though, the projects always get completed. I don't sit around the office just to "get the hours in" like everybody else. This way i'm not sucking 4 hours of "BS" time out of my company every day just to make sure i get in my 40 hour work week. What more could management possibly want then a worker who's only around when work needs to be done and leaves when he's not needed?

Maybe this is just my attitude because I could get canned and not care at all. Also i'm not pressed for money, I just work enough to pay the bills, and i've saved up enough i could lose my job and just go to school and survive for a couple of years easily.

 

[zerocool84]

I had somebody like this that was constantly late but they were the best worker in the whole store. If you really like this person as a worker, work with their schedule to help them not be late, if not then get rid of them because it may make you look bad for not getting rid of somebody that is being constantly late.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Ya, it's only 10 minutes.


HR in this case is really the owner of the company. He handles payroll himself & he establishes a conduct of promptness in the facility he runs. (I run a satellite for him)

He does work hard when he's at work, thus I'd hate to lose him, but it's almost as if he just wants to make sure he's not held down by "the man". (Yes, there could be a racial thing to this too.......no, he's not black).

I don't mind a few minutes late, but Friday, yesterday and today have been 8:12, 8:11 and 8:10 respectively.

I, honestly, don't care.....(I've got the rest of the employees walking the line) but it's just frustrating 'cuz I look like a pushover & I'm really not. I just, really don't want to turn into a 'prick' of a boss. I create a good work environment & give these folks all the breaks I can & we do well.....(we grew substantially last year & all shared in the profits).

Just frustrating.....:|

Soo...he is doing the work, a good worker. Looks like your HR guy has some control issues with something that is basically frivolous as an extra 10 minutes.

 

[her209]

I just hope whatever policies are adopted and enforced company-wide.

 

[tranceport]

I would promptly quit working for your company if you hassled me for 10 mins.


I also put in about 60 hours a week at the office. Another 20 from home sometimes.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Metron
So let me get this straight: You're the type of boss who is fine with the "punctual but idiot" slacker who shows up on time, promptly runs down to the cafeteria for breakfast, then takes four 15 minute smoke breaks (9am, 11am, 1pm and 4pm), two 20 minute coffee breaks (10 am and 3pm), and leaves promptly at 5pm every day? The one who is hopelessly behind in his work, yet always "appears" to be busy?

LOL, I know so many of those type of "workers".

 

[Coldkilla]

Give him a time limit. Say 3 months. If he misses 3 days of work by coming in late, he's fired. This way the ball is in his court to do somehing about it.

 

[Arcada]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Ya, it's only 10 minutes.


HR in this case is really the owner of the company. He handles payroll himself & he establishes a conduct of promptness in the facility he runs. (I run a satellite for him)

He does work hard when he's at work, thus I'd hate to lose him, but it's almost as if he just wants to make sure he's not held down by "the man". (Yes, there could be a racial thing to this too.......no, he's not black).

I don't mind a few minutes late, but Friday, yesterday and today have been 8:12, 8:11 and 8:10 respectively.

I, honestly, don't care.....(I've got the rest of the employees walking the line) but it's just frustrating 'cuz I look like a pushover & I'm really not. I just, really don't want to turn into a 'prick' of a boss. I create a good work environment & give these folks all the breaks I can & we do well.....(we grew substantially last year & all shared in the profits).

Just frustrating.....:|

If he works hard and you dont want to lose him. Dont be a dumbass. Find a way to motivate him.

If you didnt want him around, then use it as an excuse to fire him.
10 minutes is not a good enough reason to fire someone that works hard.

Unless- you are a dumbass and want to lose good employees over archaic and decades old dogma?
If so, sweet. I'll hire him. He can come in 20 minutes late if he works hard.

If you have your panties in a bunch, just tell him when hes late that amount of time must be tacked on the end of the day.
Unless you are a good boss and you know how to motivate people

 

[crydee]

This is why I like company's moving away from set office hours and making your hours by getting your work done and not "set hours"

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: crydee
This is why I like company's moving away from set office hours and making your hours by getting your work done and not "set hours"

This only works if you have no interaction with any other groups/departments/customers.

Customers don't put up with posted hours of:

Opens: "Some time around 8:00'ish"
Closes: "Some time around 5:00'ish"

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Ya, it's only 10 minutes.


HR in this case is really the owner of the company. He handles payroll himself & he establishes a conduct of promptness in the facility he runs. (I run a satellite for him)

He does work hard when he's at work, thus I'd hate to lose him, but it's almost as if he just wants to make sure he's not held down by "the man". (Yes, there could be a racial thing to this too.......no, he's not black).

I don't mind a few minutes late, but Friday, yesterday and today have been 8:12, 8:11 and 8:10 respectively.

I, honestly, don't care.....(I've got the rest of the employees walking the line) but it's just frustrating 'cuz I look like a pushover & I'm really not. I just, really don't want to turn into a 'prick' of a boss. I create a good work environment & give these folks all the breaks I can & we do well.....(we grew substantially last year & all shared in the profits).

Just frustrating.....:|

Good solid worker and ten minutes late. Tell your boss to chill out and tell your employee he will have to start staying after to make up missed time.

 

[farscapesg1]

I'm on the side of "10 minutes...big deal"

I work for a healthcare company. When I originally got hired my hours were 8:00 to 4:30. I'm not a morning person and always had problems getting there on time. Not only that, but I never got to leave at 4:30. So I talked to my boss and she adjusted it to 8:30 to 5:00. Every now and then she would talk to me about coming in late (usually 5-15 minutes). Basically, she said she was getting some complaints from someone else in the department about it being so busy in the morning. I sat down with her and went over my time schedule showing her that I wasn't getting out of the office until at least 5:30 (back in the days when I got overtime pay), while that other employee was always leaving right at 5:00 becuase he had a second job and was salary. It's been an ongoing issue, even after changing bosses (who also supports my work time). If they decide at some point that I have to be here at 8:30 on the dot, then that means I leave at 5:00 no matter what.

I like my job most days, but if they want me to work hard and take pride in my work, that means I have to have some leeway as to how I go about doing it. If they want to confine me to a set schedule with no flexibility, I won't like working and they will suffer more than me (I can always quit and live off my wife's salary if I had too). I work for the extra money and because I like working with computers, not because I feel any attachment or obligation to give the company my time and effort.

 

[orion23]

To the OP...
You are being a dick about the whole thing...

If the guy gets the job done and works hard while he is there, give him a break. Taking the bus is not an easy thing and it would suck that because of your ego, that poor guy would have to take an earlier bus (1 or 2 hours earlier)

Make him work through 1 break or come back a few minutes earlier from lunch.

What if he made it there before 8:00 AM, but took his time and did almost nothing during the entire day?

I work retail and I'm late almost every day. But while I'm there, I swear I can do 3 times as much as some of the other employees. Don't dare tell me to make it there before 8:00 AM just because...

 

[chambersc]

Fired.