Speaking of slavery, I can't help but see this whole scenario as the plantation owner saying, "Don't blame me, it's those house slaves' fault you field slaves have it so bad.
Glad to see that you would've agreed with slavery and segregation. I guess you're also against equal rights for gays since the majority of people think gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. What a good little progressive you are.
That makes no sense. The reality is that public sector union bosses take a cut of wages paid to public sector employees and fund the politicians that control the amount of money taken from citizens to pay the salaries and benefits of the public sector employees after taking a cut for themselves for all their union organizing activities. If you don't think that is a system built for corruption then you are willfully blind. It is not in any way similar to a private sector union negotiating with a private sector corporation.
It's like this:
You have the RIGHT to work elsewhere.
That doesn't mean you'll find something.
Kind of like:
You have the RIGHT to go fishing.
That doesn't mean you'll catch anything.
Since when is "voted for by a majority" not a reason to do something in this country. It is how we elect our government, you know.
The will of the people means nothing to you?
People can vote out of unions, just as they are required to vote them in.
So then you have no problem with what companies like Walmart and McDonalds pay their employees? Good for you.
Speaking of slavery, I can't help but see this whole scenario as the plantation owner saying, "Don't blame me, it's those house slaves' fault you field slaves have it so bad.
The CEO also laid everyone off after he built up the company and moved the 'manufacturing' of the cookies to Mexico.
Wow.
I simply explained a minor logical point to you; suddenly it's all slavery and Gay rights and Walmart.
Got a case of the Mondays?
How our government is run is not how a company operates. If all the employees at a company voted to only have to work 1 day a week, i'm pretty sure that majority wouldn't mean shit.
More dodging. I'm not the one that brought up Walmart and McDonalds. I simply pointed out a HUGE flaw in your logic.
Cat got your tongue?
Please explain what point you are making.
Unions are a great idea in principle but, like anything that involves people, power, and money, have become corrupt institutions.
If anything, membership in a union should be voluntary only and they are not allowed to take in any money but can only subsist on the volunteer work and voluntary donations of its members.
Talking about Unions, not companies.
Seriously?
I already posted it, scroll up, read slower.
Yeah, and I'm talking about working at the company.
Point being, unions are voted in, company policy, not so much.
What's the problem?
I grew up in a union household (Dad worked for the UAW) and my wife is a member of the teacher's union. Even though I HATE some of the things they unions do, I believe their imporance is going to increase in the coming years as opposed to declining as it had in years past.
What needs to happen is union REFORM, particularely when it comes to the union protecting bad workers and ensuring the union is acting a behalf of the majority of whom it represents.
Unions are a great idea in principle but, like anything that involves people, power, and money, have become corrupt institutions.
If anything, membership in a union should be voluntary only and they are not allowed to take in any money but can only subsist on the volunteer work and voluntary donations of its members.
How our government is run is not how a company operates. If all the employees at a company voted to only have to work 1 day a week, i'm pretty sure that majority wouldn't mean shit.
The only rational I've heard from anybody as to why everyone at the company has to be part of the union is because the majority wanted it that way. You do realize that that is a not really any kind of rationalization.
How about coming up with a real reason. One that makes some kind of sense?
And our government really doesn't work by a vote by majority. Take a look at the electoral college.
I think the fact that people need to form unions for protection against their government speaks volumes about modern society.
It's like this:
You have the RIGHT to work elsewhere.
That doesn't mean you'll find something.
Kind of like:
You have the RIGHT to go fishing.
That doesn't mean you'll catch anything.
So then you have no problem with what companies like Walmart and McDonalds pay their employees? Good for you.
I saw some gibberish about slavery and walmart being dreadful results of majority rule, and a really red-assed JD80 screaming for attention, amirite?
Voted in by who? Members of the union.