Enough power of peltier?

johnaintdoe

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My 7900 gs is running mad hot even with an aftermarket cooler because I volt modded it and oc'd it. Now I'm too poor for water cooling so a peltier sounds good.
I know about all the insulations stuff so lets get to my question...

How do power a peltier without a peltier psu? Like i said, i'm broke so I can't get a peltier psu. Can I plug in the bare leads into my OCZ gamexstream 700 watt? If so, where?
I really have no idea.

Thanks everyone.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: johnaintdoe
My 7900 gs is running mad hot even with an aftermarket cooler because I volt modded it and oc'd it. Now I'm too poor for water cooling so a peltier sounds good.
I know about all the insulations stuff so lets get to my question...

How do power a peltier without a peltier psu? Like i said, i'm broke so I can't get a peltier psu. Can I plug in the bare leads into my OCZ gamexstream 700 watt? If so, where?
I really have no idea.

Thanks everyone.

rofl..

i hate to be mean, but dont try it.

Seems you have absolutely no idea on what a petlier exactly is. And if your poor, then your better off getting something like this.

http://www.jab-tech.com/Therma...GA-cooler-pr-3054.html


For a petilier to work, you need to cool the hotside. This hotside will become whatever your GPU heat is + the wattage of the petilier. Air sink petliers for cpu's cant keep up with this when you overclock. And even then it requires a MASSIVE sink. You dont have the luxury of space in GPU's.

The hot side must be kept cool to maintain a delta on the cold side. And if you dont cool the pelt properly, your temps can rise.

So dont look at petliers.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: johnaintdoe
Well would ANY peltier help in temps for a c2d e6600 with a tuniq tower oc'd to 3.4?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...showthread.php?t=38367


Read that please.

Forget about TECs. Your budget, and need wont allow you to do TEC's. I even had to forgo on it because the electricity cost in the long run wouldnt be worth it. And i had no budget in hardware.

Your just better off getting an AC unit and installing it. It will be far simplier and easier for you that way.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: johnaintdoe
Yep, thanks. Looks hopeless for me now

np, just want to save you some time and money before you attempt something i tried and failed miserably at.
 

Old Hippie

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: johnaintdoe
Yep, thanks. Looks hopeless for me now

np, just want to save you some time and money before you attempt something i tried and failed miserably at.

The voice of experience speaks loudly. Can't get no better than that! :thumbsup:
 

CurseTheSky

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I know your budget is low, but... why buy a cheaper card, overclock the crap out of it, and then buy an expensive cooling option? For the same money, why not just get a faster card?

For the same price of the 7900GS + Peltier, you could probably get a 7950GT, 8600GT, or maybe an 8800GTS 320MB. I'm not sure if the 8600GT is any faster, but I figured I'd throw it up there.

I would just down-volt and down-clock the card for now until you can afford something better. Why are you trying to play on it that requires the extra boost?
 

BonzaiDuck

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Anything I add here is only a footnote to AigoMorla's post.

By itself, a Peltier cooler can not be effective beyond 65W of thermal power -- given the size in square-centimeters of today's processors and GPUs. This is the reason that the hybrid Peltier-heatpipe coolers such as that AigoMorla mentioned appeared on the market just when the Core-2-Duo processors appeared. The C2D's have a thermal wattage TDP of 65W.

Some of my friends here are going to say "Oh, no! There he goes again!" when I suggest that some sort of ducting mod might resolve your VGA cooling problem (if I read your initial post correctly). At worst, you would spend less than $20 for some foam-art-board, some Zapo "foam-safe" cyano-acrylate glue and an Xacto-knife -- and the cooling effect might still leave you unsatisfied. But that's a lot better than a high utility bill (recurring cost) and the investment in the Peltier PSU -- or the trouble you'd go to with integrating Peltier with your existing PSU to no avail but complete frustration.

My partial odyssey in a "ducting mod" project can be found in a post I started back in June or July:

Motherboard Ducting from the Bonzai-Duck-(t)-ster-man

The part that might interest you would be that describing the extension of the motherboard duct to cover the VGA card. One tentative modification (and use of a 92mm fan) reduced the VGA load temperature on my 8800 GTS (640mb) to 42C degrees.

I've since modified the duct to replace the 92mm "puller" fan with an 80x15mm "pusher" fan. Without the duct itself, my last experiment showed the VGA idle temperature around 51C (with no VGA fan) -- a load of 51C with some mild gaming, and a peak temperature of 57C under extensive 3DMark06 benchtesting. I replaced the original cooler with a TR HR-03-Plus to get this result. The peak temperature with the original cooler was 70+C.

With the 80x15mm fan in conjunction with the duct, the idle VGA temperature is around 43C @ 75F room-ambient, and peaks at 51C (load).

You didn't say which after-market VGA cooler you chose. I can surmise the possibility that you didn't choose the one with the highest-performance and lowest thermal resistance, but I have no basis to confirm it.

OTherwise, Aigo and others here have given you some good advice. And -- yes-- why over-clock a 7900 card when you can get a DirectX-10-ready card -- if only an 8600 -- and get at least that performance without over-clocking the GPU and graphics memory? An 8800 GTX card almost matches two 7900 cards in SLI for performance.
 

mindless1

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Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
OTherwise, Aigo and others here have given you some good advice. And -- yes-- why over-clock a 7900 card when you can get a DirectX-10-ready card

Did it occur that it's because he HAS a 7900, so it's a contrast of either paying a few hundred for another video card, or not?


-- if only an 8600 -- and get at least that performance without over-clocking the GPU and graphics memory? An 8800 GTX card almost matches two 7900 cards in SLI for performance.

An 8600 is slower than a stock speed 7900 except for a few benchmarks where 8600 is using features it can barely do before dropping framerates in future games. An overclocked 7900 is the best bang for the buck by far, it has become quite common to do it when they've been down around $100 after rebate recently. As for the idea about 8800GTX, why assume everyone has infinite budget to throw at a problem when it's usually just the opposite? If he wanted to spend $340, we wouldn't have this thread about cooling the present card.

I agree it makes no sense to o'c so far that exotic measures are needed to cool it, but one of the most common methods of improving this is the good 'ole cut a hole in the side panel for an intake fan blowing across the card, mod. There is nothing wrong with overclocking a video card within reasonable limits, and let's face it, if he buys the new video card he'd probably o'c that one too so we'd be back to square one again.

Once the side panel fan (or more elaborate ductworking) is added, it may be time to look at decreasing the voltmod one notch and then finding the highest speed stable at the next lower voltage.

We do have a consensus on the use of peltiers, at least for a video card there just isn't enough room and it would weigh too much to get an effective enough heatsink installed for this. As for processors, it's no problem cooling beyond 65W, but then there is a need for more custom parts to use two peltiers and the expense (or time to fabricate parts) to keep heat down becomes enough that water cooling would've been a better alternative, especially considering the energy saving$ over 200W of peltiers.

 

BonzaiDuck

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Well, Mindless1, I don't see that we lack a consensus on anything, really.

We're so keen to make improvements that we often forget the trade-offs of cost and price, so I think you're right on the beam there.

My basis for comparison was the 8800 GTX benched against two 7900 GT's in SLI. I find it interesting that the 8600 cards don't outmatch the 7900 card for card.

Cutting a hole or venting from behind the video card is a viable option, as many stock VGA coolers depend on that design. On my particular ducting mod, the air has maybe five inches farther to travel, but it gets there just as fast or faster. As I said in another thread today, these improvements are more "marginal" than water-cooling or some exotic solution like evaporative or phase-change.

. . . . But . . . . like you said -- he doesn't have the money right now. As for me, I'm going to need to save up for a few months before I spring for WC parts, and I'll need some time to do "fine-tuned research" -- AigoMorla's comprehensive sticky notwithstanding.
 
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