Epox 8RDA+ Chipset Cooling Project..

Insane3D

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I just completed a chipset cooling project on one of my 8RDA+ boards, and I thought I would do a little mini review in case someone else is looking into doing something similar.

My goal was to have excellent NB and SB cooling since I run 200 MHz FSB, but I also didn't want the noise. I settled on a passive cooling project. I noticed a couple of things on the 8RDA+ that looked promising. First of all, the NB area was very clean of large components, and there was a good deal of room for a much larger HSF. I am running an Alpha 8045 HSF on my 2400+, so I wanted to see how large of a HS I could put on, while still having room for my large Alpha. The other pleasant surprise I noticed was the presence of mounting holes in the board's PCB around the SB. Since Epox was kind enough to include this little detail, I was able to locate a good chipset passive cooler.

I will get the Southbridge mod out of the way since it is the most straight forward and easiest part of the project. I settled on this passive heatsink from NB Maxx. I liked the blue color since I have a dual blue cold cathode setup in my case, but there is a similar gold one from Zalman. The positive of this design was the adjustable "feet" of the HS that allows for mounting flexibility. I checked the SB for a good contact using white thermal grease, and it was flat. I cleaned everything up with alcohol, applied a thin layer of AS3 to the MCP-T, and applied the HS with the supplied push pins. Total cost of SB cooling mod (since I already had AS3) was ~$12 with shipping.


For the Northbridge, I wanted to use a 60mm x 60mm CPU HS unit. I decided to rule out copper since it doesn't perform well in a passive application. I also figured the weight of an all copper CPU cooler would be too much to put on the PCB in that area since it already bore the load of my Alpha. I wanted something that was all aluminum in construction, was fairly light, and if possible, was a pin style of heatsink since they tend to work better in a passive application than a fin style. I settled on this Swiftech MCX-370 clone. Not only did it fit my conditions, the price was very reasonable @ only $8 and a flat $5 shipping fee. I actually ordered a couple of other items that day, so the $5 was very reasonable. I decided on AS3 Thermal Adhesive to attach the cooler to the NB.


As some of you may be aware, the Nforce 2 SPP tends to be concave. All three of my 8RDA+'s have a concave NB. The center metal circle seems to be inset from the surrounding chipset material. I snagged some fine 800 grit waterproof sandpaper from the local store, and used it to wet sand the NB so it was flat. I used some rubbing alcohol as my liquid. I folded the sandpaper into a 2" x 2" square and used my two fingers to lightly sand down the NB. I used very little pressure, and an overlapping circular motion while making sure to avoid sanding in one area too long. After I was finished, I cleaned up the NB with some more alcohol.
After checking the HS to NB contact area with some more white thermal grease, I cleaned everything up once again. I mixed up some AS Adhesive, and applied it in a thin layer to the NB. I applied the HS to the NB, and shifted it around a bit to ensure a good contact area. I put a heavy can of tomato paste on it for some weight, and let it sit for a couple hours under a warm light to aid in curing. Once it was fairly secure, I took the weight off and let it cure overnight.


The next day, I put everything back together, fired her up, and started some Prime 95 to load up things. I checked both the NB and SB HS to make sure they were getting warm and doing their job. Everything looked good so I buttoned everything up and was good to go. Here are a few images of the completed project...


NB and SB Mod Closeup

NB Mod Closeup (Flash)

NB Mod Closeup (No Flash)

Window Shot

 

rb56

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Nice job, I have been thinking about doing the same to my 8RDA+ now that I have the kinks worked out. I'd like to go with passive cooling on my 8500DV also, quiet is the name of the game nowdays!

rb56
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: rb56
Nice job, I have been thinking about doing the same to my 8RDA+ now that I have the kinks worked out. I'd like to go with passive cooling on my 8500DV also, quiet is the name of the game nowdays!

rb56

I am actually using a 128mb Retail 8500 in the system, and it is passively cooled as well. It get's a litle airflow from the Panaflo 21CFM mounted in the window, but it runs fine even without.

 

rb56

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Did you remove the fan or simply unplug it? I have a side case fan that blows directly on my 8500DV but I'm not sure that would provide enough cooling.

rb56
 

adeno

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That's one cool project you've got there

I like the little swiftech clone.. is using adhesive the only way to bind that to the NB or does it have chipset mounting mechanisms on it (like the gold zalman NB passive heatsink)? I bought the gold zalman myself, hopefully it will do its job well.

I have an 8500LE which now has one fin broken off.. now it generates an annoying hum at various times due to the missing fin. Passive cooling the card is actually sufficient? I've noticed how incredibly hot the vga heatsink was during normal operation (I haven't overclocked the vid card).
 

Insane3D

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I like the little swiftech clone.. is using adhesive the only way to bind that to the NB or does it have chipset mounting mechanisms on it (like the gold zalman NB passive heatsink)? I bought the gold zalman myself, hopefully it will do its job well.

Yeah, the only way to mount it is with adhesive. Since it is a CPU HSF, it really doesn't have a mounting mechanism for a chipset application. Here's an idea for you should you ever want to try it. If you got that swifty clone and wanted to ue it on the NB, you could move the Zalman to your SB, and use the adhesive that comes with the Zalamn to apply the Swifty to the NB.

I have an 8500LE which now has one fin broken off.. now it generates an annoying hum at various times due to the missing fin. Passive cooling the card is actually sufficient? I've noticed how incredibly hot the vga heatsink was during normal operation (I haven't overclocked the vid card).

I run my 8500 @ 300/300 with passive cooling, and it's been fine for 6+ months. I do have a little airflow over it from my side mounted Panaflo, but it runs fine even without it...albeit a bit hot. You could go the route of the adding a better HS and getting a decent ball bearing 45mm fan too.





 

Blain

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Did the Swiftech clone or the NB Maxx coolers need any lapping before installation?
 

Insane3D

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I didn't need to lap the HS. The NB MAXX cooler I used on the SB was not super smooth like a CPU HSF, but it is not as important for a mirror finish on a chip as large as the NB and SB. The small contact area of modern CPU's is basically what makes this much more important IMO. The Swiftech clone was very smooth, and almost had a mirror finish.

 

AznRyda

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Originally posted by: zodder
How the hell do people keep their cases so neat? I have a windowed Lian Li and molex connectors/power wires are everywhere!

no lives = plenty of time to clean up case with rounded cables and twist ties.
 

MichaelD

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Great work, Insane3D! I can't believe you actually lapped the N.B. :Q I'd be worried about wearing thru and destroying the damn thing. :Q

This would be me:

*sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-sand-SHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTT!* :|

That's why I leave these types of projects to the pros like you.

BTW, my 1040 is cooling splendidly with two exhaust fans + the PS and NO intake fans. Better actually, then when I had an intake fan.
 

MichaelD

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Oh, I've always wondered and now I know, b/c you finally posted a pic of your case. You ARE as anal as I am about a neat case. I like how you have your IDE cables under the HD cage instead of over the mobo. Are those 24" cables?
 

m1ke101

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I was thinking about buying a 8rda, but I'm not too sure about all the mods and stuff that I've been reading about. I want to run at 200fsb+, but I don't know how to solder or do that vdd mod anybody know a good motherboard that I can run at 200+ fsb?
 

MichaelD

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Originally posted by: m1ke101
I was thinking about buying a 8rda, but I'm not too sure about all the mods and stuff that I've been reading about. I want to run at 200fsb+, but I don't know how to solder or do that vdd mod anybody know a good motherboard that I can run at 200+ fsb?

The 8RDA+ and the Asus A7N..something (Asus' NForce2 mobo!) will do 200MHz FSB. You need the RAM to support it though. That means buying PC3200 or PC3500 memory.

The main thing about the NForce2 motherboards is that the multiplier on Thoroughbred B-step CPUs in UNLOCKED by default, enabling massive overclocking.
 

ImmortalBlade

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Good thread! I actualy just bought that same NB maxx HS from cooler guys, FYI, i think its just the ZALMAN HSF repackaged. I had to buy various other things from coolerguys including AS3 and PcToys ICECHIP(Confermed repackaged Vantec Iceberq, brand new). Has anybody tried the Vantec Iceberq for NB cooling? Is the thermaltake crystal orb that much better??

IB
 

drewski

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what board revision is your 8rda+? i need to take a look at mine, but didn't think there were mounting holes by the SB. i've got the rev 1.1, btw.
 

Cat13

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I have decided to try my own cooling project and was wanting an update on this project, and also from the people who are using the Vantec Iceburq. Since Insane3D chose a passive application, I would like to know if the vantec performs any better or do they cool relatively the same?

Let's get some feedback, I am anxious to get this started! I ordered the ones Insane3D used but now I wondering if I should have ordered an Iceburq!

Thanks
 

drewski

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Originally posted by: drewski
what board revision is your 8rda+? i need to take a look at mine, but didn't think there were mounting holes by the SB. i've got the rev 1.1, btw.

as an aside, my board does have the holes around the SB. i've got the Blue Orb on my NB & trimmed the passive NB sink to fit on the SB.

i'm at 200MHz FSB, but am thinking of giving the Vantec Iceberg a try since the Vantec AeroFlow is kicking butt on my cpu and sincee my temps have gone up since switching to my Lian-Li case. my Fong Kai is/was hard to beat for cooling!
 

Cat13

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I finally went ahead and did the mod. The first problem I ran into was that the Swiftech clone would not fit between the cpu h/s (ax-7) and the transistor of the agp slot. Since the swiftech was bigger than the nb anyway, I cut off the raised lip portion, which mad it just the right size. I used my dremel and hacksaw, and then sanded and buffed it until it was smooth like the rest of the h/s. Since I was sanding. I decided to lap the n/b. No problems there. I attached it with AS3 adhesive and let it set overnight.

The s/b was simple, since the clip were adjustable. Nothing more to say on that.

Now it's time to start bumping this thing up. 200 would be nice, but I am not expecting it!
 

chibchakan

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What other cpu hsf besides the Alpha 8045 will fit with the swifty clone installed?
 

ThaChemist

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Hey there,

Sorry to raise an old thread, but I had a few questions. It's an interesting writeup, and I'm hoping to do some of the same things on my 8rda+ mobo. However, I want to make sure I'm not plunging into anything I'm not ready for, so I would appreciate the advice of anyone who has done this procedure...

First of all, I'm planning to try for 200fsb without any mods (using twinx ddr3200ll memory, so that shouldn't hold me back. I've also got a blowhole almost directly over the nb, though no ducting). However, Insane indicated that if he were going to stay at 200fsb, he would prefer extra cooling? Could you elaborate on this?

Obviously, I do like the idea of extra cooling, and would like to reapply the current nb sink to the sb, and to buy a Zalman/NB maxx sink for the nb. My first question revolves around difficulty - to give you an idea of my skill level: I've built one system before with 0 glitches, but I wouldn't touch something like the vdd [soldering] mod (even if it means no 200fsb). So #1 - Is this project within my reach? The heatsinks themselves seem manageable, but I'm really concerned about the wet sanding bit. I know it's not crucial to sand down the nb, but as long as I've got the heat sink off, why not optimize, eh?

#2 - can you detail the wet sanding a bit more? Did you basically soak the sandpaper in alcohol and then sand away, or were you actively applying the alcohol at regular intervals, continuously, etc.? How bad is it if alcohol gets on the mobo?

#3 - my most basic question - how do you get the stock hs off in the first place? I visited one site where it seemed I had to pop out the whole nb chip, which I'm not terribly crazy about! Can I just let it warm up and then physically pull it off by grasping the heatsink? What's the best way to do this?

Thanks for any input you can provide me!
 
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