Eric Garner all over again

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KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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that takes guts, not this f'n photo op

 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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that takes guts, not this f'n photo op

Walker is right but not in the way he thinks. It takes guts to go for a stroll after you’ve had your citizens gassed and shot at while peacefully protesting just so you can take a picture with a book you’ve never opened.

But all of that behavior is probably a feature for Walker.
 
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SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Smogzinn, and anyone else who makes or defends statements like this:

"There is almost no way to get to the rich and powerful, they live in walled palaces. No, you have to hurt the middle class. You have to hurt the ma and pa store owners. The real problem is that they don't care. Make them care and they will get something done. "

Please understand, I have this violence. It makes me profoundly sad. I wish protests could say peaceful. I wish we has a society where we could have civil discourse about issues that a part of our society is facing and for them to feel heard and like the rest of society is taking their issues seriously. I wish it didn't have to come to this.

But I also know that as long as a society does not listen this sort of thing is inevitable. You and others were saying that rioting does not help their cause, but I am trying to explain that historically it really has, and why it does. In fact for disenfranchised groups it is just about the only thing that actually does work. We really could stop this cycle if we were willing to listen and seriously talk to minority groups about their problems, but we would rather either ridicule or ignore them until something like this is once again inevitable.

Or perhaps I can say this in a way you might be familiar with:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Mmmmmmmmmm that sweet sweet delicious virtue signaling. Nom nom nom nom.
and that walk to the White House wasn't? Propping up the bible while not knowing how to hold it? I suspect there were good motives behind that girls actions as oppsed to Trump
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Please understand, I have this violence. It makes me profoundly sad. I wish protests could say peaceful. I wish we has a society where we could have civil discourse about issues that a part of our society is facing and for them to feel heard and like the rest of society is taking their issues seriously. I wish it didn't have to come to this.

But I also know that as long as a society does not listen this sort of thing is inevitable. You and others were saying that rioting does not help their cause, but I am trying to explain that historically it really has, and why it does. In fact for disenfranchised groups it is just about the only thing that actually does work. We really could stop this cycle if we were willing to listen and seriously talk to minority groups about their problems, but we would rather either ridicule or ignore them until something like this is once again inevitable.

Do you think anyone in this forum would accept this rationale if I started bombing abortion clinics by this logic?

Or perhaps I can say this in a way you might be familiar with:

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Are the rioters trying to overthrow the government so as to establish a more just one? If so, how the hell does looting Target advance that objective?
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Oddly enough nobody here has condoned rioting, looting or property destruction.
I keep asking posters like that who is in favor of those things here and strangely they don't respond but keep trotting out the same old talking point.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Do you think anyone in this forum would accept this rationale if I started bombing abortion clinics by this logic?



Are the rioters trying to overthrow the government so as to establish a more just one? If so, how the hell does looting Target advance that objective?
Well you do have the right to protest Abortions (even while you don’t care about the ones you cause). You don’t have the right to burn down abortion clinics.

Antiabortionists have done both. So if I asked you how does committing violence against abortion providers advance your cause and your response is I’ve never committed violence that was done by other, maybe you’ll understand that the protesters and looters are not the same people either
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Well you do have the right to protest Abortions (even while you don’t care about the ones you cause). You don’t have the right to burn down abortion clinics.

Antiabortionists have done both. So if I asked you how does committing violence against abortion providers advance your cause and your response is I’ve never committed violence that was done by other, maybe you’ll understand that the protesters and looters are not the same people either

You're the second person to miss the point. Smogzinn justified the violence saying it was the only way to get the point across. Why then can't I destroy abortion clinics for the same reason?

Or is using violence to achieve political ends only permissible when you approve of the ends?
 
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