Eric Garner all over again

[[DHT]Osiris]

Nobody endorsed violence. If you think someone did, quote the specific passage in which they did so, so I can tell you why you suck at reading and then laugh at you.

I found one

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Nobody endorsed violence. If you think someone did, quote the specific passage in which they did so, so I can tell you why you suck at reading and then laugh at you.

Wait wait found another one

 

[SMOGZINN]

Do you think anyone in this forum would accept this rationale if I started bombing abortion clinics by this logic?

First off, this is not a rationale, this is just the way it is. If people are repressed long enough they rise up.
So, If you get enough people to join you in doing so, then yes it would be viewed as a movement.

Are the rioters trying to overthrow the government so as to establish a more just one?

Yes, but it is still early enough in the process that we can still compromise if you are willing to help them in making the current one change to be more just.

If so, how the hell does looting Target advance that objective?

How did throwing tea in the harbor achieve their objective? There is some value to acts of symbolic destruction, for example the burning of the precinct building the cops that killed George Floyd were from, but, as has been pointed out to you multiple times, in general looting is not a part of the protests but a side effect of the chaos caused by civil unrest. Looters are not protesting, they are taking advantage of all of our police resources being taken up elsewhere. You might as well ask how looting advanced the objectives of the rescue workers during a Hurricane.

Once again, even when looters are some of the same people that were protesting, the looting is not itself an act of protest, but an act of theft emboldened by the general chaos.

 

[ecogen]

I found one
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Wait wait found another one
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I was mistaken and I apologise.

 

[Atreus21]

First off, this is not a rationale, this is just the way it is. If people are repressed long enough they rise up.
So, If you get enough people to join you in doing so, then yes it would be viewed as a movement.

So you're okay with right-wing terrorists bombing abortion clinics then?

How did throwing tea in the harbor achieve their objective?

They were protesting a tea tax.

There is some value to acts of symbolic destruction, for example the burning of the precinct building the cops that killed George Floyd were from, but, as has been pointed out to you multiple times, in general looting is not a part of the protests but a side effect of the chaos caused by civil unrest.

And burning down AutoZones? Are they connected somehow to George Floyd?

 

[Atreus21]

Yes, because apparently you can't distinguish between accepting something as true and endorsing it.

Right, semantics now. So if I simply point out that bombing abortion clinics is a natural side effect of the injustice visited on the unborn, you'd certainly not see that as an endorsement of political violence, correct?

Why'd you leave this out?

Because it wasn't relevant.

Or this?

Same as what I said at first. If I said that abortion clinic bombings are inevitable as long as abortion remains, you wouldn't see that as endorsing violence, of course.

 

[Wreckem]

one of many such incidents from last night

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267827968472002560

And this is the problem. Everyone’s worried about the people attacking others for no reason. The number of innocent people they have been victims of police brutality in this is atleast 500 to 1 vs the number of cops injured. There are over 100 cases of journalist a being ATTACKED by police. There are now 1000s of cases/instances of unlawful use of force on individuals.

Until the police stop using excessive force to disperse peaceful crowds there will continue to be rioting. The riots in Dallas only started on Friday after the police tried to disperse peaceful crowds with force. after that is when meyham broke out. A lot of other riots have startethe same way.

My hope is hundreds if not thousands of cops nationwide are fired,charged and lose their pensions or their unlawful uses of force over the past 6 days.

Thank god everyone has a camera. It’s time to comb through all the footage nationwide and Demand the firing of ALL police officers using unlawful force.

 

[Svnla]

Nobody endorsed violence. If you think someone did, quote the specific passage in which they did so, so I can tell you why you suck at reading and then laugh at you.

Not picking on you specifically but rather to ask everyone. Does this standard apply to ALL? For example, if poster(s) accuse other(s) as Trump's supporter(s) or "carry water", "bootlicker" or <insert label(s)/name calling here> or anything. Should the poster(s) have the SAME obligation to "quote the specific passage in which they did so" to support the assertions(s) as you say?

Just a yes or no would be fine.

Asking for a friend or two.....or...

 

[zinfamous]

I mean ... how can some of these cops even sleep at night? What the fuck?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267523353289474048

to be fair, Batman is a vigilante...

 

[UNCjigga]

And burning down AutoZones? Are they connected somehow to George Floyd?

Maybe you should ask this guy.

 

[Atreus21]

Maybe you should ask this guy.

Or these guys.

 

[SMOGZINN]

So you're okay with right-wing terrorists bombing abortion clinics then?

No! I'm not okay with any of this. I'm not okay with anyone being hurt, ever. All of this makes me so immensely sad.
But, it is inevitable. It is even predictable. Are you really so simple that you didn't think this was going to happen again when we just pushed it all under the rug last time?
Why didn't we do something before it came to this? Why must we always wait until people start breaking shit before we are willing to listen to them?

And that is the thing. We do wait. Even knowing that this will happen, it is just easier to ignore it until it does.
Now you pretend to not know it was inevitable so you can pretend that you had no part in it.
But the real truth is that you are partly responsible for every store looted and ever car burned. You could have prevented it, and choose not to.

They were protesting a tea tax.
And burning down AutoZones? Are they connected somehow to George Floyd?

The tea is just one we remember (and I'm sure there was a whole lot of people complaining about the fact that they destroyed their own tea at the time).
A whole lot of other property was destroyed in the revolution.
This one will be no different.

 

[ecogen]

Right, semantics now. So if I simply point out that bombing abortion clinics is a natural side effect of the injustice visited on the unborn, you'd certainly not see that as an endorsement of political violence, correct?

No, not if presented neutrally, I don't reject reality.

Because it wasn't relevant.

I'm sorry what? Him saying he hates violence and that he wishes the reality of the situation was different isn't relevant to you claiming he endorses violence? Are you ok?

 

[zinfamous]

wall street journal comments are always a good read.

proposed solution to the unrest:

- arrest and convict all people involved with rioting/looting
- send them to forced labor as punishment
- seize all of their assets to use as compensation for damages
- make them ineligible for all forms of government assistance for the rest of their lives

it would seem draconian, but you wonder if it'll come down to something like this.

by the end of this century every country is going to be authoritarian anyway. nobody will escape from the great war over energy resources.

It seems that most of the violent looters and rioters are turning out to be far right extremists like proud boys, so I'm cool wtih that.

Its kinda telling how the day-long, local peaceful protesters over the last days have tended to thin out near curfew time, to give in to the trickling entrance of the instigators that are causing all of the problems.

lol--now a major "Antifa" Twitter account that has been calling for violence and killing has been exposed as "One Evropa" or whatever it's called--an extreme right white spremacist group of Nazis

 

[Atreus21]

No! I'm not okay with any of this. I'm not okay with anyone being hurt, ever. All of this makes me so immensely sad.
But, it is inevitable. It is even predictable. Are you really so simple that you didn't think this was going to happen again when we just pushed it all under the rug last time?

Why didn't we do something before it came to this? Why must we always wait until people start breaking shit before we are willing to listen to them?

If I said the exact same thing you just said in the context of abortion clinic bombings, you would accept that as reasonable? Why do we have to wait for abortion clinics to get bombed before we listen to them?

And that is the thing. We do wait. Even knowing that this will happen, it is just easier to ignore it until it does.
Now you pretend to not know it was inevitable so you can pretend that you had no part in it.
But the real truth is that you are partly responsible for every store looted and ever car burned. You could have prevented it, and choose not to.

You could've prevented abortion clinic bombings, and chose not to by remaining pro-choice. So you're partly responsible for the bombing.

 

[UNCjigga]

Or these guys.

Not sure the guys filming it and running up to it with a fire extinguisher set the fire, but nice try.

 

[zinfamous]

I see. So if police brutality were legal, there'd be no justification for the riots?

what a patently absurd proposition.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1267321172309544960

perfectly fine right bootlickers?

Have you turned your guns in to those fine gentlemen yet?

 

[ecogen]

Have you turned your guns in to those fine gentlemen yet?

Have you turned yours against them?

 

[zinfamous]

Double standards. You can use violence to achieve your political ends as long as you agree with them. But I can't because you don't agree with them.

ah, the same problem. You don't understand what abortion is. Yet again.

God over Biology. It fails humans every fucking time.

 

[Atreus21]

No, not if presented neutrally, I don't reject reality.

Sure.

I'm sorry what? Him saying he hates violence and that he wishes the reality of the situation was different isn't relevant to you claiming he endorses violence? Are you ok?

I don't endorse violence either. But I think until people outlaw abortion the destruction of abortion clinics is inevitable.

You're just fine with that position right?

 

[zinfamous]

No, it's not a revelation to me at all that leftists endorse violence to get what they want, while calling it off limits to others.

Being that the right wing is responsibel for greater than 75% of political violence int he country over the last 2 decades, and this is not debatable, do you further find it surprising that the majority of arrests made for violent looters in the last week have been rightwing terrorists?

Does that shock you?

These are facts that are not under dispute, so I'm wondering if examination of those facts will lead to a better informing of your perspective.

 

[zinfamous]

You're now the third person to miss it, and supposedly I'm the one who sucks at reading.

no endorsement present in what you posted. Just a brief history lesson.

I did notice someone that is rather illiterate, however.

 

[UNCjigga]

American Carnage.

 

[ecogen]

Sure.

Thanks for conceding.

I don't endorse violence either. But I think until people outlaw abortion the destruction of abortion clinics is inevitable.

You're just fine with that position right?

As long as people exist that hold these backwards beliefs and abortion is legal, yes unfortunately that is the reality of the situation.