Eric Garner all over again

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HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Words fall from your mouth like shit from ass.



Black people doesn't fit into his perfect world so any excuse to yeet them is okay in his book.

The better half of you ran down your momma's thigh. She should have swallowed that day and done the world a favor.

@DrunkenSano , @HumblePie Enough. Back off, both of you. Next instance gets an infraction.

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QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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WTF? I never said that and you are making a horrible strawman argument. I am pointing to perspective the narrative that black people are killed more than white people by police. I was also stating how stupid the analogy posted earlier about BLM was. It was stupid because it had based the analogy off incorrect facts and assumptions.

Just because I am posting actual data about what is going on doesn't mean I am speaking from one side or the other. Shut your pie hole with your vomit.

your perspective is to make black people bad and white people look like we're the victims of violence at the hands of the police. I have countless black friends and they almost all have some level of fear about police. Zero of my caucasian friends have any worries about what would happen if they got pulled over by the cops. And again your "more white people are killed" is said without any indications of why. White people do shit like shoot up malls and take people hostage. PLEASE point me to any stories of any white people killed for being white. 3 were killed in my county by the police, one was shooting up a bar and was armed heavier than Rambo. One they claimed committed suicide by the police, and the other had taken a small child hostage. I would say 3 good kills. A black girl was killed while sleeping in her car, the cops spent about 3 seconds trying to get her to obey their orders to get out of the vehicle. When she didn't, they literally shot her 5 seconds later. I think 4 cops put about 40 rounds into the car of a sleeping person. She was a big threat because she was black I suppose? There was also a young black teen who was playing with a clear bright green water gun. He was murdered. I think the cops spent about half a millisecond assessing the situation before the just started to blast.

Do you even remotely see the difference in the scenarios?
 
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DrunkenSano

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The better half of you ran down your momma's thigh. She should have swallowed that day and done the world a favor.

Feels great to be a racist in a White America, doesn't it? Constantly getting a hard on watching protesters being beat down by cops, African Americans being executed in broad daylight but those who are supposed to protect him? Seems like you finally feel brave enough to come out of the woodwork.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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your perspective is to make black people bad and white people look like we're the victims of violence at the hands of the police. I have countless black friends and they almost all have some level of fear about police. Zero of my caucasian friends have any worries about what would happen if they got pulled over by the cops. And again your "more white people are killed" is said without any indications of why. White people do shit like shoot up malls and take people hostage. PLEASE point me to any stories of any white people killed for being white. 3 were killed in my county by the police, one was shooting up a bar and was armed heavier than Rambo. One they claimed committed suicide by the police, and the other had taken a small child hostage. I would say 3 good kills. A black girl was killed while sleeping in her car, the cops spent about 3 seconds trying to get her to obey their orders to get out of the vehicle. When she didn't, they literally shot her 5 seconds later. I think 4 cops put about 40 rounds into the car of a sleeping person. She was a big threat because she was black I suppose? There was also a young black teen who was playing with a clear bright green water gun. He was murdered. I think the cops spent about half a millisecond assessing the situation before the just started to blast.

Do you even remotely see the difference in the scenarios?

Zero of my black friends, relatives, and such have ever felt fear about white police officers in this country. They don't live in shitty areas. They are college educated, with good jobs, and are great people. So fuck you and your racist slant and trying to accuse me of racism. The facts are the facts. No amount of wanting to change those numbers that have happened will change them. We can do something about it in the future. but race baiting and rioting isn't going to solve anything here.

As far as white people getting killed for being white. You haven't looked to hard have you? How about 5 white cops in Dallas a couple years back gun down by a black separatist? I didn't even have to look that one up. It fucking happens. Jesus Christ how small of a bubble do you live in? You want to see everything through the lens of the big bad white man brother is out to get me at every turn and that all white people are racist white KKK members is not going to solve anything in the world. It is just going to leave you an empty angry shell of a person.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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The more I think of it the more I think Ellison is a moron. I don't think prosecutors will be able to prove intent. God help us if the jury acquits because Ellison overcharged. I hope Chauvin doesn't get a competent defense lawyer, for the country's sake.
 

zzyzxroad

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The problem is complex and has various reasons for it. There is no easy solution either.

Correct and can you name a just a few of them?

I think the entire point of what is going on is we have a problem and we need to start addressing it.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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The more I think of it the more I think Ellison is a moron. I don't think prosecutors will be able to prove intent. God help us if the jury acquits because Ellison overcharged. I hope Chauvin doesn't get a competent defense lawyer, for the country's sake.

You don't think they can even prove intent? When the cop was told he had no pulse and sat on his neck for another 4 minutes?
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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You don't think they can even prove intent? When the cop was told he had no pulse and sat on his neck for another 4 minutes?

I think that's a whole hell of a lot harder to prove than the threshold for manslaughter.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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I think that's a whole hell of a lot harder to prove than the threshold for manslaughter.
I say go for broke. Intent is obvious to the layman, if a lawyer can weasel him out of the appropriate charge, let the next rounds of protests roll. Let's keep this going until the election.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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I say go for broke. Intent is obvious to the layman, if a lawyer can weasel him out of the appropriate charge, let the next rounds of protests roll. Let's keep this going until the election.

Why not charge him with 1st degree then?
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Why not charge him with 1st degree then?

because courts are all about what you can prove (or at least make a jury believe). depending on the exact requirements for state law, the prosecutor may not feel like they have enough evidence to land the higher charge.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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because courts are all about what you can prove (or at least make a jury believe). depending on the exact requirements for state law, the prosecutor may not feel like they have enough evidence to land the higher charge.

But [DHT]Osiris said go for broke.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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But [DHT]Osiris said go for broke.

and that's an opinion. it's ok for people to have different opinions, especially if they actually make a point with it.

if a 1st degree charge failed in the courts, it would likely keep the case in the public eye much longer and keep pressure on politicians. the prosecution could get accused of picking a charge they knew they couldn't land, essentially letting the cop off the hook. there would be a massive amount of backlash from the public. so, i see the strategy there. i don't agree with it, but i understand it.
 

Wreckem

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Sep 23, 2006
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Why not charge him with 1st degree then?

Because that requires premeditation.

I think a lot of people don’t understand the different between the two.

there’s clearly no evidence of premeditation but there’s pretty solid evidence and argument of intent to cause death.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Because that requires premeditation.

I think a lot of people don’t understand the different between the two.

there’s clearly no evidence of premeditation but there’s pretty solid evidence and argument of intent to cause death.

that's my understanding as well, in which case you'd have to prove that the cop planned to kill George Floyd. And that's a much higher hurdle to cross.
 
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