Another example of systemic racism.Wanna see something white?
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Coroner: Andres Guardado was shot 5 times in the back. Sheriff condemns disclosure
L.A. County coroner's office determines that Andres Guardado, the 18-year-old killed by an L.A. County sheriff's deputy, was shot 5 times in the back.www.latimes.com
shot 5 times in the back , how is that justifiable
That is the part that matters. Maybe the police could have just shot him in the hand like in the movies.
If he had just not reached for the gun he would be alive today.
Why do you think he was reaching for the gun?
I don't think he was just getting it to hand it to the police.
obviously, that's your opinion.
It also seems to be your opinion that cops always get the benefit of the doubt, when they are the only ones alive to tell the tale....despite countless piles of evidence that any honest observer should only ever be skeptical of all such murderous encounters with them.
but hey, that's all just your opinion.
Wait, so the cop had him on the ground, and dropped his gun.That is the part that matters. Maybe the police could have just shot him in the hand like in the movies.
If he had just not reached for the gun he would be alive today.
Why do you think he was reaching for the gun?
I don't think he was just getting it to hand it to the police.
Picked up the gun like he did, then holster it?What would you have done were you the police and he was reaching for the gun?
Wait, so the cop had him on the ground, and dropped his gun.
Then supposedly the guy on the ground reached for the gun (unconfirmed).
So the cop picked up the gun, and shot him? Why wouldn't he just holster it correctly at that point? Once the cop obtained control of the firearm, the threat was removed, there was no reason to shoot him, correct?
Picked up the gun like he did, then holster it?
That makes no sense. Why would someone who was being chased abandon the opportunity to fire, only to pick up the firearm after being pinned down with cops on him in an attempt to shoot? Why would the police pin him down prior to obtaining positive control of the firearm? Why wouldn't they have him move away from the firearm prior to getting on the ground, or tell him to throw the firearm elsewhere if he was already on the ground?No. Read the article.
The guy had the gun and dropped it after he was chased by the police and ordered to do so.
The guy laid on the ground face down as instructed, with the gun near his hand.
The police holstered HIS Gun in order to hand cuff the guy.
The guy went for the gun that he had previously dropped and the police shot him.
Real simple.
That makes no sense. Why would someone who was being chased abandon the opportunity to fire, only to pick up the firearm after being pinned down with cops on him in an attempt to shoot? Why would the police pin him down prior to obtaining positive control of the firearm? Why wouldn't they have him move away from the firearm prior to getting on the ground, or tell him to throw the firearm elsewhere if he was already on the ground?
All of this doesn't make sense, and sounds a lot like they shot him then decided after the fact to state that he was 'going for the firearm'.
Or allowing him to go to the ground within arms reach of the gun? Doesn't make a lot of sense.Where's the body cam footage?
Still doesn't add up. Face down, already gave up, but gonna get the gun? Highly unlikely.
But go ahead and take the words of LASD for truth lol
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Sorry, but I refuse the give the officer the benefit of the doubt on this one. That whole sequence of events doesn't make sense from the perpetrator's perspective, nor from the officer's perspective of what series of commands he should have been issuing. Who in their right mind would holster their gun when the subject still had a firearm in reach? And how was the officer able to unholster his gun, aim, and fire, before the perp who supposedly reached out for his gun in a manner that was risking the cop's life was able to grab it and fire?He wasn't pinned down. He was on the ground and when they were approaching him to pin and cuff him he reached for the gun.
Let me assist since you refuse to read the article in its entirety:
Coroner: Andres Guardado was shot 5 times in the back. Sheriff condemns disclosure
L.A. County coroner's office determines that Andres Guardado, the 18-year-old killed by an L.A. County sheriff's deputy, was shot 5 times in the back.www.latimes.com
Quoted the article Below:
"He said Vega gave multiple commands for Guardado to stop during the chase, during which Guardado pulled out the gun. He said Guardado then obeyed commands to stop, turned around and raised both hands while still armed.
Guardado was ordered to place the firearm on the ground, which he did, Marangell said. Guardado then positioned himself face-down on the ground, but the gun was near his right hand, Marangell said.
Vega holstered his weapon and began approaching Guardado to cuff him, saying, “Don’t reach for the gun,” Marangell said. He said that’s when Guardado reached for the gun, and Vega opened fire."
And it seems that the cop who murdered Floyd is also a tax cheat. Shocker.
Derek Chauvin, ex-officer charged in George Floyd's death, accused of tax evasion
Derek Chauvin and his estranged wife have been charged with failing to file tax returns and underreporting income.www.nbcnews.com
I'm guessing this is our official George Floyd thread?
Latest News: Police Bodycam footage leaks.
As I suspected, he was resisting - which is obviously what drived the cops actions from "Sitting him down against the wall and just peacefully asking questions" turned into putting him on the ground.
Of course, that doesn't excuse the fact that his leg shouldn't have been choking him - but just following up because everyone wanted to give the narrative that Floyd was peaceful the whole time.
George Floyd shown resisting officers in leaked police body-cam footage
Nobody believes George Floyd deserved to die with an officer’s knee on his neck, but newly posted police body-camera footage has complicated the narrative by showing that he resisted police throughout the ill-fated arrest in Minneapolis.www.washingtontimes.com
People love to argue that this is an experience that any black person has to contend with.As you said, I haven't seen a single shred of evidence to justify what the police did. Feel free to enlighten the rest of us with 12 year old debate skills.
People love to argue that this is an experience that any black person has to contend with.
No one has shown either that it was because of racism by Chauvin. This case was very similar to Tony Tippa. Because the protocol demands that they keep the person down until help arrives, you eventually get outcomes like this.
People love to argue that this is an experience that any black person has to contend with.
No one has shown either that it was because of racism by Chauvin. This case was very similar to Tony Tippa. Because the protocol demands that they keep the person down until help arrives, you eventually get outcomes like this.
Re: Guardado, any bodycam footage? My Google Fu hasn't yielded any.
Shot by This agency, yea...I'm gonna need some video to believe the police. Lying without consequences is part of their gig, that applies to police in general, but the LASD has a pretty bad track record
I watched both videos. Lots of thoughts.
To start, floyd acts weird and twitchy, borderline incoherent (but there are also these odd punctuations of rational interaction here and there), and is generally non-compliant and while he physically resists he is never actually violent with the officers. Floyd can't stop moving his hands, and even after complying for a moment and placing them on the wheel or on top of his head he makes new movements moments later. Despite this, and I'm not an expert by any means, but I was surprised at how quickly the officer interacting with Floyd pulled his gun out and aimed it in his general direction. That seemed a bit aggressive, but otherwise the officer's conduct felt alright. Watching the interaction, it's very understandable how what should have been a routine event over counterfeit bills turns into an arrest.
At one point officers try to get Floyd into the back of a cop car. This is when Floyd becomes the most irrational and resistive. A constant stream of pseudo-incoherent rambling. He says he's claustrophobic over and over, and officers promise to roll down the windows for him. They get him to sit on the edge of the seat with most of his body outside the car, and officers start out patient for a minute or two but progressively become more fed up with Floyd. After failing to push Floyd the rest of the way into the car, officers eventually come at him from the other side and attempt to pull him in. In what is certainly a gift to the officers' legal defence, Floyd claims several times that he can't breathe during this whole "get in the car" interaction. It sort of looks like bullshit in the videos, but it's entirely possible Floyd is suffering a panic attack at this point.
Eventually, officers give up on trying to get Floyd into the car, and put him on the ground. Floyd never "escapes" from the back of the cop car as some reports claim, but it's easy to see how that mistake was made. Almost immediately, Chauvin restrains Floyd on the ground with his knee over his neck. Floyd continues to say he can't breath but he's also constantly rambling in a way that invites scepticism of that claim. Then things start to go downhill for the officers, especially for Chauvin. Floyd progressively talks less as the minutes pass by. At first, you could put yourselves in the officers shoes and think "maybe he's just calming down" but as time progresses that thought becomes more and more specious. In the final few minutes, you just want to yell at Chauvin to get off Floyd and check his pulse.
A lot of the audio is difficult to decipher near the end, because there's a lot going on, a lot of chatter, and bystanders are starting to argue with the officers. But I did find this transcript, which looks like it was released around June and I recognise some of the speech from the video. From the transcript, it appears that multiple officers were concerned over Floyd's well-being around the time that things start taking a turn but Chauvin ignored or overruled them. Specifically, at one point, and I remember this in the video, at the behest of one officer Floyd agrees to go into the back of the cop car, and then that officer tells Chauvin to "Let him get in the car" but Chauvin just ignores him completely.
My overall feeling is that all of this looks good for at least most of the officers, and I'm doubtful that many will be convicted. At the same time, all the same material seems damning for Chauvin and he (hopefully) has no hope in hell of being acquitted.