EVE!

[ichy]

Yeah, at least my stuff is in low-sec so it's not too dangerous to move it. Our alliance was supposed to move to a new system but right now the area I moved to is pretty dead. I can still do exploration on my own, but I have a bad feeling that my alliance has died out.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Been there... dealing with that right now, well on a corp basis that is. I'm the only corp member to have even logged in this month. I have simply just been training skills lately and not actually playing. I can't seem to get my characters where I want them to actually do something. Once my hauler alt has finished up a few more weeks of training I will at least start making some ISK again via the market. It has just been too much of a hassle for me to continue using T1 indy ships moving 100-200mill worth of stuff at a time (with the occasional 500-600mill trip when the routes were quiet).

I should have had my alt train for the orca first, but I was stupid and trained for the freighter. While the freighter is fine for 500-800mill, the orca can put the really expensive shit in it's corp hold and move basically whatever you need since that stuff will never drop, and thus, no one bothers.... (unless they change that rule).

 

[aigomorla]

You know if i had even half of u guys to help me when i was trialing this game it might have been interesting...

Reading all your comments makes this game seem fun until someone new like me tries it and is completely lost in the mechanics.

The guys here should make a own fleet... From more reading it seems most of you members are on haitus anyhow

 

[ichy]

Part of me wants to start up a corp that's devoted solely to solo or small scale PvP. There's be no corporate tax, no reimbursement programs or anything of that nature, just people who'd form up in small gangs to go blow things up. The biggest hassle in EVE is waiting for large fleets to form up, hence my fondness for smaller, faster groups.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yeah, I think most are taking a break for a bit. CCP really shot themselves in the foot a couple months back introducing stuff that no one wanted trying to turn the game into more of a cash cow by milking people more. I and my corpmates have been on limbo pretty much since that update. I closed all my accounts that I had been paying for with real money, and am now just floating via PLEX (hence my push for a hauler so I can move more stuff at once so I don't have to spend as much time making ISK). I have enough ISK to get me by for several months without doing anything, so that is why I am using that time to make a guy who will let me make more. I should work on my trading alts a bit as well to get them better tax relief... But I make due with them as is, and would rather have fun doing W-Space stuff and training skills useful there than on getting 1/10th of 1% less taxes on trades....

 

[Ross Ridge]

Getting your standings up, in particular your faction standings, to lower your brokerage fees is more effective way of reducing your trading costs since it affects both buy and sell orders. Though raising your accounting(?) skill to lower the sales tax is a lot easier. Buying pirates tag and trading them into datacenter agents is an easy but expensive way to raise faction standings.

 

[hrbngr2]

I am mostly in Amarr space and am working on the R&D agents right now for my players. I'm sort of stubborn--in that I plan to train to Research Prog Mgt to Lvl5 and all the relevant datacore skills for the agents I need to Lvl5 as well. I know that datacores are in a price decline, but it's still a great way to make ISK while not being online.

Fallen Kell, will you be trading most of your stuff in Jita? I really need to get my rep up w/whomever owns Jita 4 Moon 4 (maybe caldari navy) to 6.8 or whatever needed to minimize transaction fees, I also should do that for the Amarr hub as well.

Aigo, see my comments in post #2870 for some tips if you decide to get back in the game. Feel free to ask any questions in this thread too. I am online a bit, but am taking it pretty slow, I also don't really have the time for lots of 0.0 combat/pvp. So I mainly mission L4s and would like to get into trading/invention/production at some point. Since, there are no other space games that come close to this one, I plan to take my time and savor this. I do hope that micro transactions or paying real money for in-game items doesn't become a necessary part of being a success in this game, either in pvp or other pursuits.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Unfortunately I don't do a lot of selling at Jita, just buying (and even then I need to make more of an effort with purchase orders which I neglect half the time due to how quickly someone else updates their orders (of which I have found MANY bots doing just that and I don't like having to deal with people breaking the rules)).

Anyway, the reason for the post. I thought I would post a battle summary that my alliance just had (which I missed....).

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10689304

As well as the HD video of it in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn9zqp_lMvg

Our roams pretty much last until we are all killed, so just wanted to let you know the eventual ending (several jumps after that battle though).

 

[hrbngr2]

FaKell,

Per your purchase orders, are lots of updates needed for these? If one can wait long enough, a rising price for materials will eventually drop, so your orders will be viable and then filled, correct?

For invention, im thinking of starting to sell t2 ammo atm, but I might have to build my own POS to have all the necessary "training" slots etc. If anyone reading the thread has had their own hi-sec POS b4, please feel free to chime in with any tips/tricks for one. Would (2) chars be enough to fill all the necessary slots for blueprint upgrades and invention?

 

[Fallen Kell]

Sorry no experience on running a hi-sec POS, only on blowing them up and/or ransoming the corps for them That tends to be a lot more fun in my book.

That said, if you do own a hi-sec POS, you better sure as heck defend it properly or login at least twice a day to make sure you were not war-dec'ed, because you better believe that the people war dec'ing you know exactly where your POS is located and will have bookmarks already and ships waiting logged off in that system capable of taking out your POS and anything you can throw at them (I know we certainly did). Typically we had 4 abaddon shooting at the POS with 1-2 falcon's cloaked off the POS, and a couple pilgrims in system if the falcons needed more help. The abaddon's could put a small POS into reinforcement in less than an hour (or take out the tower with 1 1/2 hours).

 

[Fallen Kell]

Well, for the time being, I am grinding L4 missions again. It has been a LONG time since I did this, so in a sense, it is a change. Last time I was doing this I was barely able to fly a BS (I still can barely fly a BS on this character, but I can fly a mean tengu).

That said, I am thinking of messing with my tengu fit. I'm still using my mostly W-Space fit, which means I have only 5 launchers and a 6th high slot for either probes, remote rep, or cloak. The benefits of this fit though is the fact that I use what I feel is the far superior adaptive shielding subsystem which gives bonuses to shield resistances. As a result, I have a heck of a buffer tank without running any reps, just my 2 hardeners (lowest resist is 89% EM in my universal fit, if I mission specific fit, I can typically have the primary/secondary damage resists around 94-95%). The biggest reason for this fit is that it is highly resistant to hi-sec ganking.

That said, I would like to have that 6th launcher to do a lot more damage. If and when I ever finish training the skill that cuts the cap used by a shield booster, I can add another caldari navy ballistic control system, but it won't add much more to my dps (like 15 due to diminishing returns).

Well, that is what I have been up to this last weekend at least while I wait for my one character to finish training the skills needed for an orca. Then I will be doing some trading again to make my cash. I might try and get some standings for my traders to get a little more profits out of them.

Oh, for all those who also mission, what do you typically get in way of ISK for your LP? I started to look at that since I have a few hundred thousand LP across a couple corps. I never really took the time to figure out what I should expect to be able to redeem it for. I will probably just blow it all on ammo since I will simply sell that with my traders, but just wondering if there are other things I should look at. Most blue-prints or items just didn't seem worth it in my eyes due to either requiring some expensive tags, or lots of isk up front as well (heck, I did the numbers for CN BCS, and I would get maybe 8mill profit each outright, or about 10mill with the blueprint, but that worked out to like "3750 LP = 1mill isk" or "3000 LP = 1mill isk" respectively, which seems pretty darn poor returns on LP)

 

[TheVrolok]

Oh, for all those who also mission, what do you typically get in way of ISK for your LP?

I usually aim for around 2000 ISK/LP, or I guess 500 LP per 1 mil ISK the way you look at it. These are FW missions, though, so a bit different than grinding level 4's.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yeah, but LP is pretty much LP.... I mean, I guess certain corps have better rewards, so it is possible that the faction warfare LP store gives out better stuff. The ones I have access too just seem to be horrible. Best I have calculated is 650 ISK/LP, but I havn't run the numbers on faction ammo yet.

 

[Ross Ridge]

I use 1000 ISK per LP as my "fair value" conversion rate. Though, I mainly use that a guideline on whether buying something on the market is better than trading in LP for it. Otherwise I mainly just accumulate LP, and only trade it in when I find a opportunity to get a much bigger exchange rate. I don't run level 4 combat missions (or any missions lately) so I don't have a lot of LP to get rid of anyways.

 

[ichy]

Took on and defeated a hurricane and a myrmidon tonight in just my main's Drake. Sent my alt to help but I'd killed both ships by the time he arrived. Of course, it seems like less of an accomplishment after you see how the hurricane was fit:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14308600#submitMail

Shield tanked hurricane. Guess he deserves points for originality?

The myrmidon wasn't too impressive either, but he did drop some nice expensive ammo:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14308582

 

[TheVrolok]

Yeah, but LP is pretty much LP.... I mean, I guess certain corps have better rewards, so it is possible that the faction warfare LP store gives out better stuff. The ones I have access too just seem to be horrible. Best I have calculated is 650 ISK/LP, but I havn't run the numbers on faction ammo yet.

It's a fairly well known fact (at least among FWers) that FW LP pays out better than non-FW LP.

 

[Fallen Kell]

WOW what a fail fit cane. I fly a shield tanked cane (more often than you think), but it is a nasty beast doing 640dps, with 40k ehp. But typically I will fly a plated cane which does 600dps with 58k ehp (it also have eccm, web, and scram). But the shield cane is great in a RR sheild gang (it also moves over 1200mps).

 

[Ross Ridge]

Passive sheild tanked Hurricanes are pretty popular actually, it might be the best PvE fit for the ship. Basically Minmatar's answer to the Drake.

I'm guessing that particular fit was ment for PvE only, though it doesn't really make sense for that either.

 

[Martimus]

Took on and defeated a hurricane and a myrmidon tonight in just my main's Drake. Sent my alt to help but I'd killed both ships by the time he arrived. Of course, it seems like less of an accomplishment after you see how the hurricane was fit:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14308600#submitMail

Shield tanked hurricane. Guess he deserves points for originality?

The myrmidon wasn't too impressive either, but he did drop some nice expensive ammo:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14308582

I actually prefer shield tanking in a cane, since they are very manueverable and fast, and can do a lot of damage at range. That way, you can keep your distance and escape if you are in trouble based on your speed and manueverability advantage.

That said, those fits were horribad. They weren't just PvE fit, but badly PvE fit to boot. Still, it is pretty cool to solo a pair of equal sized ships and win handily like you did. Congrats.

I haven't had time to even log on to Eve in a couple of weeks. I have a new girlfriend, plus I have my daughter full time now (her mom moved 200 miles away), and I got a promotion at work, so I have a lot more responsibility there as well. I am having a hard time even logging on for a few minutes to change skills right now, and I lost a few days of training because of it.

 

[ichy]

Guess that goes to show that I don't know that much about flying a Hurricane. Oh well, that's why I almost always stick with what I know and go for HAM Drakes.

The corp. is in pretty bad shape right now. I went back to Genesis just as we were kicked out of Antem and there is nothing going on in the new system. I ended up hauling my stuff up to Lonetrek and am doing my own thing up there. Congrats on the promotion at work though.

 

[Martimus]

Thank you. I will probably have a couple of carriers soon, so if you still need ships moved send me a eve-mail and we can set up some time for me to move them for you.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yeah, I am up in lonetrek myself (but in high-sec) running L4's. There is a great little dead-end 0.6 system near Jita with a Caldari Navy L4 security agent. I'm not the only one in there (typically local has like 80-130). I wish I could find a similar setup with a 0.5 system. I might go looking. I need to work on my Amarr standings now that my Caldari Navy is over 8 (finally jump clones for me without needing to join one of the jump clone corps).

 

[Kadarin]

Yeah, I am up in lonetrek myself (but in high-sec) running L4's. There is a great little dead-end 0.6 system near Jita with a Caldari Navy L4 security agent. I'm not the only one in there (typically local has like 80-130). I wish I could find a similar setup with a 0.5 system. I might go looking. I need to work on my Amarr standings now that my Caldari Navy is over 8 (finally jump clones for me without needing to join one of the jump clone corps).

Pakkonen (0.4) used to be a nice place to run missions, as it was a dead end lowsec that few people ever went into. That was a few years ago though, no idea if it's still quiet there.

 

[hrbngr2]

That said, if you do own a hi-sec POS, you better sure as heck defend it ...Typically we had 4 abaddon shooting at the POS with 1-2 falcon's cloaked off the POS, and a couple pilgrims in system if the falcons needed more help. The abaddon's could put a small POS into reinforcement in less than an hour (or take out the tower with 1 1/2 hours).

I honestly had no idea it would be that easy/fast to take one down. How many different people would need to be manning the POS guns to make it somewhat difficult, or would it even matter?

 

[hrbngr2]

Fallen Kell/Ross Ridge/Vrolok, thanks for the info on LP conversions, I have been accumulating LP w/no certain method to get the best return, I found this post w/some great info by Akita T on properly determining the conversion rate--subject to market pricing--of course. http://eve-search.com/thread/844776 (also has a D/Load Spreadsheet)

Also, FKell, would u mind posting your " tanky"tengu build? I run a Tengu/Scorp(navy) L4 mission setup w/ the Tengu as primary, perma-run speed tank. I wouldn't mind seeing how you gear it up for Blood Raider/Sansha missions for a little stare and compare. In terms of missioning, I would think that a 0.5, 0.6, & 0.7 system won't make that much difference in terms of absolute payouts, so a lower pop L4 mission system might be safer for a tengu. Regardless of the tank, tengu HP is quite low and they can be alpha'd more easily than a BS--which always has me concerned.

Finally, Martimus, good to see a reply from you. I basically talked myself into playing EVE after reading this entire thread, which basically encompassed your journey from start to finish (well...hopefully not completely finished)...among other worthy posts.