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ichy

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Exploration is vastly superior to mission running IMO. You can start off in high-sec to learn the ropes but you need to move to low or null-sec to earn serious ISK.
 

Markbnj

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If you are at all thinking of doing PvP, listen to Kaotik, Malladine and Ichy for words of wisdom on that, and how to get started. I'm the kind of player that they crave tears from, and I never leave high sec.

Heh, I'm definitely into combat and PvP, but I think it will be quite awhile before I get into that end of the game, assuming I upgrade my account and continue playing. My in-game persona is going to be more the world-weary wanderer who tries to see everything, make a few bucks, and stay out of trouble.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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I think I'm done with Eve, just can't get back into it sadly. Going to see if I can find a place to sell off my account, my character should get a good offer since I have a set of HG slaves in her and another clone has a set of +4's and at like 64 mill SP very little of it is wasted at all and the character is very focused.

What's the character sheet like? Got an EVE Board? I can float the idea around to some people I know to see if there's any interest.
 

power_hour

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I would keep the character. EVE is a lifelong addiction that you never really shake. You might be done with the game right now but good luck finding another MMO like it. Keep the character, don't be dumb.
 

Markbnj

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Well, it does for me, because I have good standings and perfect refining skills for loot (about 1.5 months total training time IIRC). I get 98.875% or something in the high sec stations where I run missions. With low standings you lose a lot to taxes, and with lower skills you lose a lot to waste. In lowsec or null, you'd lose even more because the stations have lower starting efficiencies too, which isn't offset until you have a lot of stuff to level V.

A couple of the good tools will take your skills into account in the melt vs. sell equation to give you a realistic estimated profit. My tool of choice is EveRefinery.

I haven't gathered anything recently since I hardly play any more, but I do check EveRefinery every time they tweak a few things, and I still have a hangar full of crap from my last missioning binge that it tells me will sell as minerals for at least twice what it would sell for as loot.

If you are at all thinking of doing PvP, listen to Kaotik, Malladine and Ichy for words of wisdom on that, and how to get started. I'm the kind of player that they crave tears from, and I never leave high sec. :whiste:

I finished up the 10 initial combat missions from the career agent in Troserre. Didn't take very long, and I came out of it with two new ships and 1.3m ISK, so I think they were worth doing. I'm going to try a couple of missions from the advanced military agent there tonight, but not sure if I will do all of them.

I took your advice about refining and that seems like a good approach. I also found out that the market works differently than I thought. I was thinking you had to list every little bit of loot that you wanted to sell, but the "sell directly" feature always seems to find a buyer. I don't know if these are NPC buyers stepping in, or the market is just so large that there are always orders for everything. Whatever the driver, it effectively works just like having a merch to sell to in an rpg.

Btw, I started messing with this game again because I watched 'Firefly' through for the second time. I wanna be Malcolm Reynolds and fly around the universe with Morena Baccarin.
 

ichy

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I would keep the character. EVE is a lifelong addiction that you never really shake. You might be done with the game right now but good luck finding another MMO like it. Keep the character, don't be dumb.

Agreed. It costs nothing to keep an inactive character, and if you ever get the urge you can jump right back in. I've lost track of how many times I've left and restarted playing EVE.
 

Kadarin

Lifer
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I finished up the 10 initial combat missions from the career agent in Troserre. Didn't take very long, and I came out of it with two new ships and 1.3m ISK, so I think they were worth doing. I'm going to try a couple of missions from the advanced military agent there tonight, but not sure if I will do all of them.

I took your advice about refining and that seems like a good approach. I also found out that the market works differently than I thought. I was thinking you had to list every little bit of loot that you wanted to sell, but the "sell directly" feature always seems to find a buyer. I don't know if these are NPC buyers stepping in, or the market is just so large that there are always orders for everything. Whatever the driver, it effectively works just like having a merch to sell to in an rpg.

Btw, I started messing with this game again because I watched 'Firefly' through for the second time. I wanna be Malcolm Reynolds and fly around the universe with Morena Baccarin.

Unless they've changed the game recently, there will be few if any npc buyers. You're probably just in a fairly busy area so folks have buy orders set up for the stuff you're selling. If you're in a remote area, it's quite possible to have to haul your stuff somewhere to sell it. You might also check the market to see if buy orders are consistently higher in a nearby system; if so it might be worthwhile to stockpile stuff for a while, then make a trip.
 

Red Storm

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I finished up the 10 initial combat missions from the career agent in Troserre. Didn't take very long, and I came out of it with two new ships and 1.3m ISK, so I think they were worth doing. I'm going to try a couple of missions from the advanced military agent there tonight, but not sure if I will do all of them.

I took your advice about refining and that seems like a good approach. I also found out that the market works differently than I thought. I was thinking you had to list every little bit of loot that you wanted to sell, but the "sell directly" feature always seems to find a buyer. I don't know if these are NPC buyers stepping in, or the market is just so large that there are always orders for everything. Whatever the driver, it effectively works just like having a merch to sell to in an rpg.

Btw, I started messing with this game again because I watched 'Firefly' through for the second time. I wanna be Malcolm Reynolds and fly around the universe with Morena Baccarin.

While it does sell right away, you're selling it at the price that the buyer sets. So for all you know, you're selling a 100k item for 5k.
 

Markbnj

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While it does sell right away, you're selling it at the price that the buyer sets. So for all you know, you're selling a 100k item for 5k.

Well yeah, that could happen, except I'm not selling many really expensive items, and I am paying attention to the estimated price as well as the offered price. I'm really just talking about getting rid of trash loot. Now I've taken to reprocessing it all and selling the mats.
 

Martimus

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Well yeah, that could happen, except I'm not selling many really expensive items, and I am paying attention to the estimated price as well as the offered price. I'm really just talking about getting rid of trash loot. Now I've taken to reprocessing it all and selling the mats.

Most locations have a quick buy at a fraction of the cost the buyer can sell it for. Heck I made 90% of my isk that way when I started out by placing buy orders in Arnon when the Epic Arc began and selling them at a 1000% profit in the same system. I got tired of fighting others in the area once others thought of doing the same so I stopped.
 

Markbnj

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So I have been having a good time mining, running missions, and training up my character. I'm a little confused about the mission system, though. I get the whole faction thing, but what I don't understand is what transitions you from level 1 to level 2 missions? There seem to be an endless supply of level 1 missions available. What makes you qualify for the next level?
 

Martimus

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You need better relations to use a level 2 agent over a level 1 agent. If you have been doing the missions for a while, then you relations are probably good enough to find a level 2 agent of the same corporation as the level 1 agent you have been using. There is an agent search function, but I havent used it in years so I dont remember how to use it.
 

sun_tzu

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The only thing that keeps me off of eve is the amount of time to level things. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to have to wait a year to use a decent ship without getting WTFPWNED in the face.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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The only thing that keeps me off of eve is the amount of time to level things. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to have to wait a year to use a decent ship without getting WTFPWNED in the face.

That's the thing about EVE, even in a year with maxed skills for a certain class of ship you can get WTFPWNED in the face.
 

Martimus

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It takes about a month to train a battlecruiser to the point where all your necessary skills are at level 4. Skills really aren't an I win button in Eve at all. You will get owned because the other person knows what he is doing better than you, not because he has more skill points.

EDIT: more likely you get owned when the other person has better scouting, so he is able to know what your fleet composition is and counter it.
 

KaOTiK

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Realistically, you only need a couple of months of training to actually be ok in Eve. 90% of the reason you would lose to someone else is because of their experience.

On a side note from my above about quitting. I had thought it through and will be selling that character/account (still have 2 other accounts if I ever feel the need to come back). I do appreicate the words of advice about hanging on to it. But I'm just at the point I think I rather cash out. Funny enough, finding a place to sell it is a bit difficult and I might just end up selling it for isk and selling the isk as that is much easier to move probably lol.
 

Markbnj

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You need better relations to use a level 2 agent over a level 1 agent. If you have been doing the missions for a while, then you relations are probably good enough to find a level 2 agent of the same corporation as the level 1 agent you have been using. There is an agent search function, but I havent used it in years so I dont remember how to use it.

Thanks, I just realized that I could search for level 2 agents in the finder, and there are a bunch available to me. Is it possible to actually finish a level, or do the agents keep generating new missions as long as you request one? Other than storyline missions and the beginning tutorial I don't think I have exhausted any level 1 agents yet.
 

Michael

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Most of the time that we pwned the opposition is was due to scouting and then the FC staying calm and calling the right targets. We beat plenty of "better" fleets or bigger fleets that obviously had no clue what they were doing.

(btw - often Martimus was the scout and I was the FC. When we were in the fleet, everyone else relaxed and was confident. Relaxed players make less mistakes and do not run for it. If you keep DPS on your targets and reps going, very often the other fleet just breaks and you wipe them out)

Michael
 

Martimus

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Apr 24, 2007
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Most of the time that we pwned the opposition is was due to scouting and then the FC staying calm and calling the right targets. We beat plenty of "better" fleets or bigger fleets that obviously had no clue what they were doing.

(btw - often Martimus was the scout and I was the FC. When we were in the fleet, everyone else relaxed and was confident. Relaxed players make less mistakes and do not run for it. If you keep DPS on your targets and reps going, very often the other fleet just breaks and you wipe them out)

Michael

Michael,

How is everything going for you? Are you still at the same job? Did the move go well for everyone? Send me a PM sometime, it would be nice to catch up.

-Marty
 

Martimus

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Thanks, I just realized that I could search for level 2 agents in the finder, and there are a bunch available to me. Is it possible to actually finish a level, or do the agents keep generating new missions as long as you request one? Other than storyline missions and the beginning tutorial I don't think I have exhausted any level 1 agents yet.

No. Other than story lines, you can never exhaust missions from an agent. They will give them indefinitely.
 

Markbnj

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No. Other than story lines, you can never exhaust missions from an agent. They will give them indefinitely.

Ok, thanks for the tip. I did a few level 2 missions last night. The last one was a security mission and I just about lost my ship twice doing it. I have to work out a new build for these higher level security missions. Currently have a Gallente Exequror, outfitted for exploration and light combat with two Heavy Neuron Blasters and four Hammerhead I's in the drone bay. Just didn't cut it. When the NPCs ganged up on me my shield tank (Medium Shield Booster I) couldn't keep up. Spent about 900k ISK repairing and replacing drones in order to complete the mission.

Anyone have any ideas for a better ship/build for level 2 PVE missions? I have about 50 million ISK available.
 

Red Storm

Lifer
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Ok, thanks for the tip. I did a few level 2 missions last night. The last one was a security mission and I just about lost my ship twice doing it. I have to work out a new build for these higher level security missions. Currently have a Gallente Exequror, outfitted for exploration and light combat with two Heavy Neuron Blasters and four Hammerhead I's in the drone bay. Just didn't cut it. When the NPCs ganged up on me my shield tank (Medium Shield Booster I) couldn't keep up. Spent about 900k ISK repairing and replacing drones in order to complete the mission.

Anyone have any ideas for a better ship/build for level 2 PVE missions? I have about 50 million ISK available.

I haven't played in a while so I couldn't give good fitting advice, but why the Exequror? Isn't that a mining ship? I would go with a Vexor because it has a drone bonus and is a better ship for PVE combat.

Remember with drones it's best to use small drones against NPC Frigates, the medium sized ones will take longer to kill (especially tech 1 drones). Also it's best to keep your drones focused on the same target and make sure to draw aggro from the NPCs before unleashing your drones on them so they don't get attacked.

Also, use the EVE Survival Guide to know what to expect with each mission.
 
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