EVE!

[Martimus]

If you don't know what a pirate is, then I doubt you understand EVE very well.

His point is that a pirate is something different to different people. No two people seem to have the same definition of what a pirate is in Eve.

I consider myself a pirate, yet to be honest I probably am not one. I practice NBSI in low sec, but I never ransom ships or pods, and rarely even go after the loot. So the monetary portion of the attacks is gone, which is what piracy is about. I just like PvP, and when I can't find other pilots willing to engage, I will find some unwilling to engage and engage them anyway.

EDIT: BTW, this is the guy that doesn't understand Eve very well : http://nawti.evekb.co.uk/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=71252

 

[TheVrolok]

Without bubbles (you cant use them in low sec) you are stuck with annoying station games, praying on people less than 3 months old with no good loot, or fighting other pirates.

It about as fun as rubbing your nuts on sandpaper.

Step 1) Join FW.
Step 2) Dec a few corps.
Step 3) Blow up tons of shit without station games.
Step 4) Profit.

Low-sec is fantastic. I get better action where I live in low-sec than I ever did when I spent time living in null. POS bashing and full zoom out, brackets off, lag fest blob battles really don't appeal to me. Living in low sec in a good PvP corp we can shoot any Amarr militia targets, corp dec'd wts, the myriad of pirates that live in Amamake, or take the 5 jumps to Provi and blow shit up in 0.0. There is never nothing to shoot at, even in the last few months carrier/dread dropping has skyrocketed so it's not even just subcap action anymore.

 

[Michael]

"If you don't know what a pirate is, then I doubt you understand EVE very well."

Can you define it? I am the leader of a low-sec PVP Alliance. We are NBSI. Does that make us pirates? If so, are all the 0.0 Alliances that are NBSI pirates?

We rarely ransom and many of our fights are protecting our area against other corporations or Alliances. What is the difference between 0.0 roaming gangs or low-sec roaming gangs? Both pirates? Low-sec are pirates and 0.0 are not? If we roam into Syndicate, are we magically transformed from being pirates to not pirates?

Michael

 

[Ross Ridge]

"If you don't know what a pirate is, then I doubt you understand EVE very well."

Can you define it?

We all understand what a pirate in EVE is well enough, we don't need to start a pointless semantic argument. If you think there's more to lowsec than fighting hapless newbies and fighting other pirates (or whatever you want to call people like yourselves), then you should be able to say what that is instead of just telling someone they don't understand low-sec. (Like TheVrolok mentioning faction warfare.)

 

[TheVrolok]

We all understand what a pirate in EVE is well enough, we don't need to start a pointless semantic argument. If you think there's more to lowsec than fighting hapless newbies and other pirates (or whatever you want to call people like yourselves), then you should be able to say what that is instead of just telling someone they don't understand EVE.

I stated a few posts above what I like about living in low-sec. I'm curious as to how that makes me a hapless newbie?

 

[Ross Ridge]

I stated a few posts above what I like about living in low-sec. I'm curious as to how that makes me a hapless newbie?

So am I. How does anything in my post imply that you're a hapless newbie? I wasn't repsonding anything you said.

 

[TheVrolok]

So am I. How does anything in my post imply that you're a hapless newbie? I wasn't repsonding anything you said.

Oh, I thought you were calling low-sec denizens hapless noobs. I read it too quickly, I suppose you meant the pirates spending time picking on only the hapless noobs they come upon?

 

[Ross Ridge]

Oh, I thought you were calling low-sec denizens hapless noobs. I read it too quickly, I suppose you meant the pirates spending time picking on only the hapless noobs they come upon?

I was just repeating the claim that Acanthus originally made about low-sec and then Michael denied, but didn't bother mentioning any counter examples. You've mentioned faction warfare, but Michael hasn't mentioned anything other than fighting other players like himself (whether he calls them pirates or not).

Personally, for me low-sec is a place where I avoid other players, so I don't have much of opinion about what low-sec denizens actually do.

 

[JSt0rm]

I was just repeating the claim that Acanthus originally made about low-sec and then Michael denied, but didn't bother mentioning any counter examples. You've mentioned faction warfare, but Michael hasn't mentioned anything other than fighting other players like himself (whether he calls them pirates or not).

Personally, for me low-sec is a place where I avoid other players, so I don't have much of opinion about what low-sec denizens actually do.

We do everything everyone else does everywhere else. Its a sandbox dude.

Let me also add Michael has a vast understanding of eve and is a great fc too.

 

[Martimus]

I was just repeating the claim that Acanthus originally made about low-sec and then Michael denied, but didn't bother mentioning any counter examples. You've mentioned faction warfare, but Michael hasn't mentioned anything other than fighting other players like himself (whether he calls them pirates or not).

Personally, for me low-sec is a place where I avoid other players, so I don't have much of opinion about what low-sec denizens actually do.

In low sec we run missions, run plexes, mine, run POSes, bash POSes, defend/repair POSes, fight gangs, hotdrop, counter-drop, gate camp, do planetary interaction, rat, probe out WH's (and run them), run CA's, run CS's, do market trading, scout, hunt out other players, defend our space, and many other things. The rules aren't much different than high-sec or null-sec, so we do just about everything they do in both those places. I find it more populated than 0.0, but less populated than high-sec.

 

[Michael]

You were not repeating the claim that Acanthus made, you claimed that I didn't know how to play the game because I didn't know what a "pirate" is.

You, of course, missed my point. Acanthus made the point that all you fight in low sec are noobs and other pirates. I was disagreeing with his point (0.0 kills lots of noobs as well, noobs get killed in Eve, that seems to be a basic part of the game no matter where you live, including high sec) about "pirates" because, other than the scale of the fighting, I see little difference between 0.0 and low sec for who and why you fight.

Since you've no admitted to having almost no experience in low sec except for running away from the people that live there, maybe you can listen and learn a little instead of letting your prejudice speak.

Michael

 

[Ross Ridge]

You were not repeating the claim that Acanthus made, you claimed that I didn't know how to play the game because I didn't know what a "pirate" is.

I was mocking you by throwing your own words back you. As I already said, you, I and everyone else here, all know what a pirate is.

Since you've no admitted to having almost no experience in low sec except for running away from the people that live there, maybe you can listen and learn a little instead of letting your prejudice speak.

I haven't expressed any prejudices about low-sec. I'd be happy to listen to what you have to say, but the problem is you're not actually saying much. Martimus and TheVorlok have had something to say about what life in low-sec is like for the people who live there. Your attempt to start a pointless semantic argument about what the word piracy means tells me nothing.

 

[v8envy]

My "hate" on lowsec stems from my view that there's nothing worth fighting over and no way to hold down what you've "won." I have a low boredom tolerance, so 20+ hop roams hoping to find and blob a ratter bore me to tears. Ditto multi-hour gatecamps.

My admittedly limited lowsec experience matches Acanthus'. You go to lowsec to grind newbies or get into fights with other sociopaths without anything going to the winner. For pointless PvP I can hit Sisi.

And FW? Really? Talk about a borefest. T1 frigates and cruisers with nanofits dodging each other all day long. I had insurance expire on a thorax I brought to try FW. It was THAT boring. X vs plex except this time with zero resultant income.

 

[TheVrolok]

My "hate" on lowsec stems from my view that there's nothing worth fighting over and no way to hold down what you've "won." I have a low boredom tolerance, so 20+ hop roams hoping to find and blob a ratter bore me to tears. Ditto multi-hour gatecamps.

My admittedly limited lowsec experience matches Acanthus'. You go to lowsec to grind newbies or get into fights with other sociopaths without anything going to the winner. For pointless PvP I can hit Sisi.

And FW? Really? Talk about a borefest. T1 frigates and cruisers with nanofits dodging each other all day long. I had insurance expire on a thorax I brought to try FW. It was THAT boring. X vs plex except this time with zero resultant income.

Some of us simply aren't interested in video game sovereignty. I like logging in, blowing things up, and logging out - I could not care less who owns what space at the end of the day. I sure as hell don't step into plexes. It sounds like you just haven't spent enough time in low-sec to find a good niche. My corp's KB shows it's not all T1 frigs/cruisers. Just as many BS kills as Frig kills, and well more BCs, hell, there's a Marauder on the first page (not that Marauders hang around low-sec too frequently). I make enough money PvPing in low sec to fund my accounts. Find a good area, find a good corp, and low sec is great. I lived in null for over a year, much of the time in an alliance, some of it not, and it bored me to tears.

 

[Michael]

"there's nothing worth fighting over"

Plenty of good R64 moons in low sec. And you can hold it fine, just fight for it.

I like many things about 0.0 compared to low sec. The biggest is that all the toys work and the 2nd biggest is that smaller ships are more viable so it is newer player friendlier compared to low sec.

I hate the politics and the lag in 0.0. Probably the politics the most. With the "owner only" stations, you can lose assets in a heartbeat and getting any sort of space there talks far too much time as Alliance leader dealing with keeping blues so you can have a reliable supply chain.

Michael

 

[Acanthus]

In low sec we run missions, run plexes, mine, run POSes, bash POSes, defend/repair POSes, fight gangs, hotdrop, counter-drop, gate camp, do planetary interaction, rat, probe out WH's (and run them), run CA's, run CS's, do market trading, scout, hunt out other players, defend our space, and many other things. The rules aren't much different than high-sec or null-sec, so we do just about everything they do in both those places. I find it more populated than 0.0, but less populated than high-sec.

The latest eve economic report disagrees.

60% of players are in high sec, 25% are in null...

I guess the density in null could be lower because of it's relative size.

 

[Michael]

There is an illusion of population as there are fewer low sec systems with zero people (because it is next to high sec and often used as a highway). However, you're correct in that more players are in 0.0 compared to low sec. 25% to 15% isn't quite 2 x the numbers, and even together High Sec dwellers still out number us.

Michael

 

[Martimus]

My "hate" on lowsec stems from my view that there's nothing worth fighting over and no way to hold down what you've "won." I have a low boredom tolerance, so 20+ hop roams hoping to find and blob a ratter bore me to tears. Ditto multi-hour gatecamps.

My admittedly limited lowsec experience matches Acanthus'. You go to lowsec to grind newbies or get into fights with other sociopaths without anything going to the winner. For pointless PvP I can hit Sisi.

The bolded part is my experience in 0.0. Going jump after jump into empty space. This is why I have no interest in 0.0, after spending weeks there and finding it completely empty, hoping to find a ratter to blob after some point. I don't have that issue with low sec, and I usually only need to travel 2-3 jumps to find targets.

I am sure it all matters where you go, and what you do. There are probably areas of 0.0 that are highly populated, just as there are areas of low-sec that are highly populated. I just got tired with the boredom of PvP in 0.0, as it was generally pretty empty.

EDIT: I don't mean to denigrate null sec, as I am not an expert at all on the subject. (I have spent maybe 2 weeks there over the last year at different times, from occupying to just roaming) I just meant to show that what your opinion on life in low-sec is like is almost identical to my opinion to life in null-sec. Both are likely wrong (I know your view is wrong, and I would assume mine is as well, unless 0.0 is a haven for carebears.)

 

[nsafreak]

Well Martimus I agree with you, it definitely depends on what area of nullsec you happen to be exploring. I've spent most of my EVE career in some part of nullsec or another (total of about 4 years in nullsec) and it can really vary. I've called several regions my home at one point in time or another as I've lived in Deklein, Cobalt Edge (Drone Regions), Stain, Curse, Fountain, and Cloud Ring with Delve being my current home (currently I'm a member of EVOL). Of the various places that I've lived I would say Fountain is the most active PvP wise primarily because it has NPC stations where folks can base out of. If you're looking for a place to get kills in 0.0 your best bets are typically areas which have NPC stations where you can setup shop. If you try and do PvP in areas where most of the stations are alliance controlled you'll typically find either a lot of empty systems or large blobs that'll form up quickly to come hunt you down with the occasional lucky find of a lone ratter.

 

[ichy]

This may sound a little silly but until I started probing I never realized that you could set up POSs in low-sec space. When I started hunting for people I'd get all excited because I'd be probing down lone industrials and similar ships in low-sec space, but when I warped to them I realized I'd quickly get blown to bits if I didn't warp away.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Step 1) Join FW.
Step 2) Dec a few corps.
Step 3) Blow up tons of shit without station games.
Step 4) Profit.

Low-sec is fantastic. I get better action where I live in low-sec than I ever did when I spent time living in null. POS bashing and full zoom out, brackets off, lag fest blob battles really don't appeal to me. Living in low sec in a good PvP corp we can shoot any Amarr militia targets, corp dec'd wts, the myriad of pirates that live in Amamake, or take the 5 jumps to Provi and blow shit up in 0.0. There is never nothing to shoot at, even in the last few months carrier/dread dropping has skyrocketed so it's not even just subcap action anymore.

Ya know this looks like English, but I've read it 4 times and I still can't figure out wtf you're talking about. LOL

I think I'm going to try Eve, but I gotta say I'm not expecting much. I'm just tired of WoW. I've got my Shadowmourne, and I only need few pieces of gear to have BIS in everything... Not much left to do.

 

[JSt0rm]

Ya know this looks like English, but I've read it 4 times and I still can't figure out wtf you're talking about. LOL

I think I'm going to try Eve, but I gotta say I'm not expecting much. I'm just tired of WoW. I've got my Shadowmourne, and I only need few pieces of gear to have BIS in everything... Not much left to do.

let me know if you want I'll send you a buddy invite for 21 day trial instead of 14 plus if you buy I'll toss you 50 million iskies.

 

[wheresmybacon]

let me know if you want i'll send you a buddy invite for 21 day trial instead of 14 plus if you buy i'll toss you 50 million iskies.

ygpm

 

[Michael]

If your location in your profile is accurate, you're close to me as I'm in the Portland area.

Michael

 

[Fallen Kell]

Slowly grinding out important skills... Next ones on my list are as follows:
Repair Systems IV
Energy Systems Operations IV
Energy Grid Upgrades IV
Electronics Upgrades IV
Shield Upgrades IV

Then I am not sure if I should finish Science V, Hull Upgrades V, or pound out a few more of the navigations skills (I currently have Navigations IV, Afterburners IV, Evasive Maneuvering III (more than 50% done to IV) and a few others at I or II). Been sticking with int/mem skills since that is how I am mapped at the moment.