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[KaOTiK]

Per character? Or per account? If it's per character I could easily see that being the case. I have 3 characters on each of my 3 accounts, my primary char on my primary account has somewhere around 10B, the other 8 have essentially 0. So that's just a bit over 1B average per char, when in reality, I'm just 1 person. There are many, many, many alts in the EVE universe.

I can't recall, just said what the average amount each player had. So I would guess alts since they are characters. Most people do have a Jita or whatever market is closes to where they live for price checks. Still though 300m is still low, that means less then 1b per account.

 

[Martimus]

I have less than 1B ISK between my two accounts. While I have probably around 5B isk worth of capital, even that is probably pretty low for someone with the skill points I have. I just don't spend the short amount of time I play the game making ISK, I spend it blowing up other players. I do POS maintenance, and sell moon goo, and that is it. It is enough to maintain my style of play, but it will never make me rich.

 

[JSt0rm]

The thing is time to isk ratio. I have a lot of passive income streams in the game. I like updating capsuleer on my iphone and seeing another 200 million in the account. Trading and thinking will reward those who want to spend time fighting and no time grinding.

I'll run some level 5 missions but thats mostly just to hang out.

mining 10 hours a day is not for me.

 

[KaOTiK]

Main ways I make isk is either rating (upgraded 0.0 system) and buy/resell. I have an alt that autopilots a freighter around selling all kinds of things and does the occasional courier contract if it is on the way. But I enjoy the economic side of the game a lot too.

 

[Michael]

Like most older players, I have steady "passive" income streams working away. I make most of my spending isk from moon goo (about 2 hours of effort a week) and from making and selling freighters. I am about to start major production of carriers (thanny and archon once the archon BPO is more researched) and Moros dread as well. That is a little more effort to shuttle minerals and parts around, but not that much.

I make a tiny bit of isk ratting and melting loot. Probably 100M a month from that, usually while things are slow and nothign else is going on. That is from bounties, minerals from melting and salvage.

Michael

ps - I usually have 4-5B in isk between my 2 accounts. I turn extra isk into BPOs. I also copy BPOs that are not in production.

 

[ichy]

Finally ganked a hulk.

http://diplomaticdisruption.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9191339

It required a Brutix rather than a Thorax, but still very satisfying. I'm going to run out of security status rather quickly, but I plan on snagging a few more before I have to go and do some ratting to earn my way back into Concord's good graces.

Edit:

Got another one.

http://diplomaticdisruption.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9192645

There's a bit of a learning curve to this since even a Brutix can't successfully gank all exhumers, but with a little bit of care and a ship scanner it's not too hard.

 

[Martimus]

Finally ganked a hulk.

http://diplomaticdisruption.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9191339

It required a Brutix rather than a Thorax, but still very satisfying. I'm going to run out of security status rather quickly, but I plan on snagging a few more before I have to go and do some ratting to earn my way back into Concord's good graces.

Edit:

Got another one.

http://diplomaticdisruption.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9192645

There's a bit of a learning curve to this since even a Brutix can't successfully gank all exhumers, but with a little bit of care and a ship scanner it's not too hard.

Congrats. Although there is no need to post losses to NPCs (including CONCORD) if you don't want to. How much is the loss after insurance? I may switch to a brutix if I can get off the gate before I get caught by CONCORD. (right now I use the Thorax mostly because it aligns much faster and I add a nanofiber internal structure to help as well)

 

[ichy]

I think the loss is around 6 million isk, but I have an alt to snag dropped equipment from the hulks I pop. So far the isk cost per hulk is quite minimal to me, I'll run out of security status long before I run out of money.

I posted my losses to Concord just so people can see what kind of ganking setup I'm using. I'd prefer to use a Thorax, but I found it wasn't really up to the task of killing hulks, and regular mining barges aren't worth the security status loss.

 

[Martimus]

I think the loss is around 6 million isk, but I have an alt to snag dropped equipment from the hulks I pop. So far the isk cost per hulk is quite minimal to me, I'll run out of security status long before I run out of money.

I posted my losses to Concord just so people can see what kind of ganking setup I'm using. I'd prefer to use a Thorax, but I found it wasn't really up to the task of killing hulks, and regular mining barges aren't worth the security status loss.

You will need to overheat the guns and launch drones and set them to engage immediately to kill a hulk solo in a thorax. The Thorax should be able to get around 550DPS with T1 mods overheated. You are going to lose the ship anyway, so overheating is no real loss.

You have I believe 5 seconds in a 0.5 system before CONCORD shows up, so you really need to the damage then. That turns out to about 2750 damage, which is just barely enough, so you really need to be lucky to get it, and you need good skills as well.

 

[ichy]

Just to take this discussion a little further, what kind of battleship would be best for ganking a hulk? I don't have a lot of security status left, so I'm thinking of saving up my last hulk kill for something nice and expensive. I'll use my alt with a ship scanner to check out the equipment on hulks until I find one with some expensive faction or officer gear. I know that sort of thing isn't very common, but they should be out there.

To do this I want a ship that can reliably kill a hulk even if it's in a higher-sec system (all my kills have been in 0.5 or 0.6 so far) and/or if it has a shield extender or something of that nature. I have both Caldari and Minmatar Battleships trained up to lvl 5, so I'm guessing my best choices would be a blaster Rokh, a torpedo Raven or a torpedo/large auto cannon Typhoon. Thoughts?

 

[Martimus]

All of the above would have large DPS. You will want the one with the higheest alpha I would guess. A Maelstrom would work wonders, but it is expensive. As is the Rohk. I would probably go with the Typhoon, as it is relatively cheap and you are going to lose it regardless. See what kind of DPS you get in EFT, and if you get over 1000 DPS with your Typhoon fit, then I would go with that.

It is pretty common to see b-type small shield boosters on hulks, but what you really want to look for are T2 rigs, since those are also common and bring the value up even higher.

(T2 rigged hulk: http://nawti.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1746383
B-Type Shield Booster Hulk: http://nawti.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1750002)

If you can get a high-sec capable friend to help in a gank BS, you might even be able to take out an Orca. They don't tank well, but when you only have 5 seconds to kill them they don't need to. I am not sure how many gank BSes you need to gank one in high sec. I know it doesn't take much in low-sec, but I never really thought about how long they last before they pop.

 

[ichy]

It is pretty common to see b-type small shield boosters on hulks, but what you really want to look for are T2 rigs, since those are also common and bring the value up even higher.

If I'm going to throw away a battleship (even an insured, T1 fit one) I want to blow up something that has a chance of of dropping something valuable. Blowing up someone's T2 rigs would certainly be fun, but there's no chance I'd make a profit off of it.

 

[Red Storm]

If you can get a high-sec capable friend to help in a gank BS, you might even be able to take out an Orca. They don't tank well, but when you only have 5 seconds to kill them they don't need to. I am not sure how many gank BSes you need to gank one in high sec. I know it doesn't take much in low-sec, but I never really thought about how long they last before they pop.

Hmm, I'd also like to know what it would take to gank an Orca in high sec (but for entirely different reasons ()). A bare Orca has aroud ~85k EHP, with a DC that goes up to roughly 180k EHP I believe. Add a reinforced bulkhead and some Invuls and you can get close to 250k EHP.

So what would it take?

 

[JSt0rm]

If I'm going to throw away a battleship (even an insured, T1 fit one) I want to blow up something that has a chance of of dropping something valuable. Blowing up someone's T2 rigs would certainly be fun, but there's no chance I'd make a profit off of it.

Sell marked up t2 rigs in the system you blow the dude up in :sneaky: along with a hulk and do it again D:

 

[Acanthus]

I return tomorrow!

cant wait to get some pewpew in.

 

[ichy]

Sell marked up t2 rigs in the system you blow the dude up in :sneaky: along with a hulk and do it again D:

Lol...

I actually dabbled in the T2 rig manufacturing business using some blueprints I got from null-sec archaeology sites. Those things are so thinly traded that I soon had hundreds of millions of isk worth of merchandise sitting on the market and not moving. Besides, at the end of the day ganking carebears isn't about profit, it's a labor of love Picking up a few nice drops is just a side bonus.

 

[Martimus]

Lol...

I actually dabbled in the T2 rig manufacturing business using some blueprints I got from null-sec archaeology sites. Those things are so thinly traded that I soon had hundreds of millions of isk worth of merchandise sitting on the market and not moving. Besides, at the end of the day ganking carebears isn't about profit, it's a labor of love Picking up a few nice drops is just a side bonus.

Very true. I had to train Mining Barge to 5 to fly the Rorqual, so I am taking an extra week to train Exhumers to 4 to fly the Hulk with my alt. I will use the drops from the Hulks I killed over the years to fit the thing. I kind of doubt I will ever use it though. But if I ever do, at least I have all the fittings I will ever need for it on hand

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yeah, the only T2 rigs that actually move are the cargo expansion rigs and capacitor circuit rigs. There are a few shield and armor rigs, but you are still talking just a dozen a day at Jita....

 

[KaOTiK]

trimarks are the only t2 armor rig i ever see sell really

 

[Martimus]

trimarks are the only t2 armor rig i ever see sell really

I have T2 cargo expander rigs on my Crane. It brings the cargo capacity to just over 10K, which allows me to move one additional POS mod at a time.

EDIT: I re-read what you wrote, and I misunderstood what you were saying. I only have ever seen T2 trimarks on killmails as well, while I have seen all sorts of different T2 shield rigs. Then again, the only other Armor rigs I usually see are active rep rigs, and if you are actively repairing armor, you probably expect to lose your ship relatively often, so I doubt you would spend the extra to buy T2.

 

[v8envy]

When battleships were free I used a megathron to gank stuff. I'd scan down a juicy, well tanked target with large rigs (most likely careful players with the highest odds of providing tears) and then let er rip.

Overheated blasters would give me 3-4 cycles of DPS goodness. I wouldn't even bother with tackling gear -- by the time they notice they're losing HP they're dead.

Arty probably won't give you 2 shots in .5, even with awesome skills. But the first shot alpha is awesome. Pulse lasers are ok, but the final bill was too high because of ammo crystals. Neutron blasters IMO are the sweet spot for battleship highsec gankage.

If you have enough alts you can simply use smartbombing battleships. You can sidle up to an orca and bag quite a few barges with 2 smartbombing alts. 3 to be sure. -10 in no time flat because of pod kills though.

 

[ichy]

I'm sure the hardcore gankers will scoff at this, but I'm trying to keep my security status positive and don't really care about pod kills. My first few ganks were fun, but for now I'm going to stick with hulks that have expensive officer or faction gear. I really need a battleship to take them out if they have any meaningful tank on them, but a T1 fit, insured BS doesn't cost too much.

My next project is to try to make money in wormholes. My first attempt using a heavy missile Drake didn't work too well, I realized it didn't even have the DPS to take out Sleeper cruisers. Might be time to try more cooperative hunting with other corp members. That or get my alt flying a Drake as well.

 

[Martimus]

I'm sure the hardcore gankers will scoff at this, but I'm trying to keep my security status positive and don't really care about pod kills. My first few ganks were fun, but for now I'm going to stick with hulks that have expensive officer or faction gear. I really need a battleship to take them out if they have any meaningful tank on them, but a T1 fit, insured BS doesn't cost too much.

My next project is to try to make money in wormholes. My first attempt using a heavy missile Drake didn't work too well, I realized it didn't even have the DPS to take out Sleeper cruisers. Might be time to try more cooperative hunting with other corp members. That or get my alt flying a Drake as well.

We have plenty of members who would run WH sites with you. You could ask me, Filter, or lividicus, and I am sure all would run them. Or you could just run the L5's with us when we run them. I don't really do it often, as I use the little time I am on looking for stuff to blow up, but I have run a few with them.

 

[ichy]

I'll do that. I've been in high-sec for the past week learning to gank & doing a bit of ninja-salvaging, but I'm heading back to Antem this evening.

BTW, is it true that sleepers are equally resistant to all forms of damage & will adjust their DPS depending on what your tank is?

 

[KaOTiK]

I'll do that. I've been in high-sec for the past week learning to gank & doing a bit of ninja-salvaging, but I'm heading back to Antem this evening.

BTW, is it true that sleepers are equally resistant to all forms of damage & will adjust their DPS depending on what your tank is?

Sleepers are omni resist and dmg across the board if I remember right (been awhile since I've done WH's so I may be wrong).

Each wormhole though has different effects though, some bonuses and other minuses. Some of these effects can damn near cripple you depending on what you are flying and others can boost you a good amount.