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[JRich]

And now my buddy lost his megathron to a lvl4 mission because he never pays attention. I give him good setups and links to the mission reports, but he doesn't even look. Then he bitches about it. I swear........

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: JRich
And now my buddy lost his megathron to a lvl4 mission because he never pays attention. I give him good setups and links to the mission reports, but he doesn't even look. Then he bitches about it. I swear........

ugh that blows huh? lol.
I fitted, and refitted, a Rupture for armour tanking. I went for balance:

4 x Dual 180mm carbine autocannons, loaded 2 with plasma, 1 fusion 1 depleted uranium
2 x assault launchers, both loaded bloodclaw

med slots:
Afterburner
2 x med shield extenders

I know, don't mix, but they were about the only useful additions I could think of, since I can't use tracking computers yet and webbers didn't seem useful for missions so much. Maybe i'll go with ECM tho?

low slots:
2 x 800mm tungsten plates
1 x 400mm tungsten plates
1 x energized adaptive plating (15% resist all)
1 x small armour repairer (69 per tick)

All that gives me a fairly tough little cruiser, 7924hp armor, 3370hp shields and some good damage between 1 and 10km.
Even so I almost lost it a couple of times getting used to the different play style, ie I still can't roll up to a group of 10-15 npc ships and expect to destroy more than a couple before warping away! The lvl 2 Blockade mission took me at least 6 runs to complete, and millions of isk in fittings, trying different things out.

So yeah, any opinions/comments?

 

[MadMac37]

Wow losing a ship in LVL 4s sucks. I have been playing EVE since last January. This is the third time this damn game has pulled me back.

Played from Beta to mid 2005, then restared in mid 2006 to mid 2007, now back for awhile.

I am currently flying a Paladin (Amarr Marauder) for LVL 4s and its diffently the best ship I have yet flown for LVL 4 missions.

It seems EVE is pretty balanced now, except for Falcons and ECM, there seems to be an effective counter to most setups.

In my opinion, there needs to be a rebalacing to the bonuses on the Falcon. The combo of Cloak, uber range, and ECM strength makes the Falcon a tough nut to crack. I think you can tell a unbalanced ship when you start seeing them every where in pvp gangs.

So I was wondering what were peoples thoughts on Falcons and ECM as a must have in any gang pvp setting.

 

[Malladine]

Welcome to AT MadMac
A corp mate was going off about a Falcon he was flying yesterday, saying he "perma-jammed" a Jaguar. I'm still new, as the previous post i'm sure makes abundantly clear, so i'm looking forward to trying the tech 2 class ships...might be a while though since I only have 1.4 mil sp
Far as mission lvls go, i'm almost to 3s with republic fleet, but i doubt a tech 1 cruiser will cut it...gonna have to save for that bc.

 

[MadMac37]

Thanks for the welcome, long time lurker finally made the plunge.

Yeah I am hovering around the 16 million Skill point mark, way to addicting game. Once you hit a certain mark in skill points the game becomes so much more fun. ISK no longer becomes as much of an issue.

What is wonderful is in a Falcon if you fill your mids with ECM you can pretty much expect a perma jam. But on the other side of things if you fill your mids with ECCM you can still be jammed. That seems flawed to me, if you spend the slots you should be able to make your self pretty much impossible to jam. You are already giving up alot for defense there should be more reward for it.

Yeah lvl 3s are much more efficient in a Battlecrusier. Very much worth the investment in skill points.

 

[JRich]

Pshhhh... The Falcon is fine. Just get a 'ceptor to chase him off. He's useless if he has to warp off or cloak all the time

(Although, that doesn't always work the way you want it to)

 

[Malladine]

hey Jrich does that Rupture I posted seem well fitted to you?? is 7924 armor respectable for my level in the game and on a cruiser or not so much?? anything you would change?

Originally posted by: MadMac37

Thanks for the welcome, long time lurker finally made the plunge.

Yeah I am hovering around the 16 million Skill point mark, way to addicting game. Once you hit a certain mark in skill points the game becomes so much more fun. ISK no longer becomes as much of an issue.

What is wonderful is in a Falcon if you fill your mids with ECM you can pretty much expect a perma jam. But on the other side of things if you fill your mids with ECCM you can still be jammed. That seems flawed to me, if you spend the slots you should be able to make your self pretty much impossible to jam. You are already giving up alot for defense there should be more reward for it.

Yeah lvl 3s are much more efficient in a Battlecrusier. Very much worth the investment in skill points.

Yeah, i think the ECCM vs ECM imbalance there is because the ship you fit with ECCM doesn't benefit from the same kind of ship bonus the Falcon has for ECM?

 

[MadMac37]

Well its the general rule in Armor tanking that you should use resistances for PvE and Armor plates for PvP.

What I would probably go with in your 5 lows would be:

1 - Medium Armor Repairer
2 - mission specific armor hardeners. (each NPC does different damage types)
2 - Damage modules (believe its gyrostabilizers for your race)
1 - Damage control best you can use.


Basically the active armor handeners really reduce the damage taken, so your Medium armor repairer can keep up. replace the med shield extenders with some capacitor modules. (Cap Recharger)

Also dont mix your ammo types, it gives you different optimal ranges meaning you do less over all damage. Stick with an ammo type, then keep them at that distance with using the Afterburner. You should be able to run all this because of the 2 cap modules in your mid slots.

Also since you have damage mods you should be doing alot more damage so your tank can handle much more. You may only need to run your repper in short bursts to save on cap.

I will be honest I have never flown your races ships before so this is just an educated opinion.

 

[JRich]

[Rupture, PVE]
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Damage Control I
Gyrostabilizer I
Medium Armor Repairer I

10MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger I
Cap Recharger I

650mm Artillery Cannon I, Depleted Uranium M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Depleted Uranium M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Depleted Uranium M
650mm Artillery Cannon I, Depleted Uranium M
Standard Missile Launcher I, Bloodclaw Light Missile
Standard Missile Launcher I, Bloodclaw Light Missile

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hobgoblin I x5


This would be my anti-serpentis mission setup. The arties hit at 19km+21km and the missles hit at 27km. You can permarun everything, but the repper. See, I have no idea if this would fit for you though.

Who do you normally fight against?

 

[Malladine]

ugh, just lost the Rupture @ lunch to a guy my corp's at war with. He did 15k damage to me, he was flying a Jaguar....kept me @ 1km where i couldnt hit him. When he strayed out to 2500m+ i owned him (put his shields down in under 30 secs), but he didn't make that mistake more than once

Damn it. Killboards says I lost 18 mil isk overall. ugh. I hope my corp mates can collect some of the equipment.

Thanks for the input, i'll look at these when I refit tonight !!

Oh and J I fight everyone, that's why I fit so generally, I never know who i'm going to be destroying next. Seems to be more Guristas, drones and angel cartel lately

 

[JRich]

That sucks.

Gurista does Kin/Therm (Fit Kin and Therm hardeners)
Angel does Exp/Kin (Fit Exp and a EANM)
Drones do Exp/Kin (Well, some of everything) (Fit Exp and a EANM)

This should get you started. You can drop the DC for another mission-specific hardener if you want.

 

[Malladine]

Armour hardeners...okay, I need Hull Upgrades IV for those, other than that I can easily fit everything you listed. I'll give it a try!

Thanks for the input Mad

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Malladine
ugh, just lost the Rupture @ lunch to a guy my corp's at war with. He did 15k damage to me, he was flying a Jaguar....kept me @ 1km where i couldnt hit him. When he strayed out to 2500m+ i owned him (put his shields down in under 30 secs), but he didn't make that mistake more than once

Damn it. Killboards says I lost 18 mil isk overall. ugh. I hope my corp mates can collect some of the equipment.

Thanks for the input, i'll look at these when I refit tonight !!

Oh and J I fight everyone, that's why I fit so generally, I never know who i'm going to be destroying next. Seems to be more Guristas, drones and angel cartel lately

Hmm...I bet you that guy was armor tanked and you getting his shields down so fast really meant nothing. Most tech 2 assault frigates can easily pop tech 1 cruisers and frigates.

 

[nsafreak]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Malladine
ugh, just lost the Rupture @ lunch to a guy my corp's at war with. He did 15k damage to me, he was flying a Jaguar....kept me @ 1km where i couldnt hit him. When he strayed out to 2500m+ i owned him (put his shields down in under 30 secs), but he didn't make that mistake more than once

Damn it. Killboards says I lost 18 mil isk overall. ugh. I hope my corp mates can collect some of the equipment.

Thanks for the input, i'll look at these when I refit tonight !!

Oh and J I fight everyone, that's why I fit so generally, I never know who i'm going to be destroying next. Seems to be more Guristas, drones and angel cartel lately

Hmm...I bet you that guy was armor tanked and you getting his shields down so fast really meant nothing. Most tech 2 assault frigates can easily pop tech 1 cruisers and frigates.

That's typically the rule of thumb. For a while the AFs weren't as good as they are now but they've definitely made a recovery since the Quantum Rise patch.

 

[nsafreak]

Originally posted by: MadMac37

Thanks for the welcome, long time lurker finally made the plunge.

Yeah I am hovering around the 16 million Skill point mark, way to addicting game. Once you hit a certain mark in skill points the game becomes so much more fun. ISK no longer becomes as much of an issue.

What is wonderful is in a Falcon if you fill your mids with ECM you can pretty much expect a perma jam. But on the other side of things if you fill your mids with ECCM you can still be jammed. That seems flawed to me, if you spend the slots you should be able to make your self pretty much impossible to jam. You are already giving up alot for defense there should be more reward for it.

Yeah lvl 3s are much more efficient in a Battlecrusier. Very much worth the investment in skill points.

I see your point but you aren't necessarily giving up all of your defense by fitting ECCM on some ships. There are ECCM modules for mid slots and for low slots. So its possible to lose some offense or defense in exchange for ECCM. There are other counters to ECM than ECCM though. You can use remote ECCM and have one or two members dedicated to ECCM, you can bring your own ECM, you can have interceptors go after the falcon as well. Yes falcons can be a major pain in the ass, which is part of the reason I fly one . The other part of the reason is that I was starting to run out of ships to train. Still have skills to train but at 40.6 million skillpoints I've trained most races T2 ships & weapons at this point .

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: nsafreak

Originally posted by: MadMac37

Thanks for the welcome, long time lurker finally made the plunge.

Yeah I am hovering around the 16 million Skill point mark, way to addicting game. Once you hit a certain mark in skill points the game becomes so much more fun. ISK no longer becomes as much of an issue.

What is wonderful is in a Falcon if you fill your mids with ECM you can pretty much expect a perma jam. But on the other side of things if you fill your mids with ECCM you can still be jammed. That seems flawed to me, if you spend the slots you should be able to make your self pretty much impossible to jam. You are already giving up alot for defense there should be more reward for it.

Yeah lvl 3s are much more efficient in a Battlecrusier. Very much worth the investment in skill points.

I see your point but you aren't necessarily giving up all of your defense by fitting ECCM on some ships. There are ECCM modules for mid slots and for low slots. So its possible to lose some offense or defense in exchange for ECCM. There are other counters to ECM than ECCM though. You can use remote ECCM and have one or two members dedicated to ECCM, you can bring your own ECM, you can have interceptors go after the falcon as well. Yes falcons can be a major pain in the ass, which is part of the reason I fly one . The other part of the reason is that I was starting to run out of ships to train. Still have skills to train but at 40.6 million skillpoints I've trained most races T2 ships & weapons at this point .

All true but Falcons ( along with most other EWAR ships ) are usually the first to be targeted and popped during a fleet engagement.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: nsafreak

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Malladine
ugh, just lost the Rupture @ lunch to a guy my corp's at war with. He did 15k damage to me, he was flying a Jaguar....kept me @ 1km where i couldnt hit him. When he strayed out to 2500m+ i owned him (put his shields down in under 30 secs), but he didn't make that mistake more than once

Damn it. Killboards says I lost 18 mil isk overall. ugh. I hope my corp mates can collect some of the equipment.

Thanks for the input, i'll look at these when I refit tonight !!

Oh and J I fight everyone, that's why I fit so generally, I never know who i'm going to be destroying next. Seems to be more Guristas, drones and angel cartel lately

Hmm...I bet you that guy was armor tanked and you getting his shields down so fast really meant nothing. Most tech 2 assault frigates can easily pop tech 1 cruisers and frigates.

That's typically the rule of thumb. For a while the AFs weren't as good as they are now but they've definitely made a recovery since the Quantum Rise patch.

They are also good for taking over tackling duties once a ship has been tackled and the initial tackler is very fragile and thus must move out of range out of the victim least he lose his ship.

loL - On a off note I remember seeing a Jaguar being remote repped in low sec by 2 carriers and taking on a shit load of damage from about 6 Battlecruisers. It was a funny sight to behold as the carrier fighters tore up the Battlecruisers while the Jaguar tanked.

 

[Malladine]

Hey, regarding construction of ships, equipment, rigs, etc...should I really look at creating an alt to do that, since my current character is spec ops, almost no industry skills whatsoever...? I barely have the skills to use tech 2 mining lasers.

And is it true you can't skill up multiple characters on an account at the same time?

 

[ITPaladin]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Hey, regarding construction of ships, equipment, rigs, etc...should I really look at creating an alt to do that, since my current character is spec ops, almost no industry skills whatsoever...? I barely have the skills to use tech 2 mining lasers.

And is it true you can't skill up multiple characters on an account at the same time?

Yes.

Up to you if you want to branch out, or buy a second account to skill up an industry character.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: ITPaladin

Originally posted by: Malladine
Hey, regarding construction of ships, equipment, rigs, etc...should I really look at creating an alt to do that, since my current character is spec ops, almost no industry skills whatsoever...? I barely have the skills to use tech 2 mining lasers.

And is it true you can't skill up multiple characters on an account at the same time?

Yes.

Up to you if you want to branch out, or buy a second account to skill up an industry character.

ok thx
i'll probably end up cross training on my main character for now!

 

[Malladine]

EVE MON rocks. It even has the skill training completed voice

Getting into the tier 2 learning skills now, should make a huge difference once I start going for battlecruisers of different races.

 

[JRich]

Hehe, I've got a FF plugin that shows me how much time is left on my skill. Comes in handy at work, lol!

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Ahh well. I "reactivated" for the free 5-days... went so far as to installing the Steam client which refused to work. I downloaded the regular client, but never got around to installing it. Oh well, Warhammer is more better funner anyway.

To you WAR is fun. I think its crap and its PVP is childish in comparison. You don't loose anything when you die. Even if you insure your ship in EVE like a Neutron Blaster Mega it will cost you about 80 mil after you die.

WAR is Team Fortress 2 in tights.

 

[Bulldog13]

Hey,

I am DLing the trial now and have never played the game. Can anyone recommend a server or noob corp for me to join ?

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: Bulldog13
Hey,

I am DLing the trial now and have never played the game. Can anyone recommend a server or noob corp for me to join ?

There is only one server that houses the commercial game. The others are for testing purposes only. EVE University is a good corporation for new players wanting to get into a multi-player experience from early game.