EVE!

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Last night I logged in just long enough to figure out the new scanning system. I managed to track down and warp to a 3/10 rogue drone site (I was hoping for a wormhole, but there wasn't one in the system I was probing in). I'll do some more tonight.

I'm guessing that I should start training at least one more account for probing, and get my other characters into command ships (or at least tier 2 BC), so I can come up with an effective way to dual-box WH sites.

The ones in 0.0 space will require a decent fleet. According to the EVE forums a fleet of several BS's and Carrier were WTFBBQSAUCEPWN'D by the NPC's in a 0.0 wormhole. The only one who made it out alive in that fleet was the carrier I heard.

That'll happen for a while as people start learning what tactics and fittings to use. I remember when static complexes were first introduced and 10/10 sites were considered to be impossible. That is, until someone did it.

 

[Malz]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Malz

Originally posted by: NuroMancer

Originally posted by: Malz
Ive played Eve for about e-penis and I can say in the end EVE is whine whine whine the players make our own universe and since any kind of whine whine whine

I had e-penis sp the game became whine whine whine . Your corp can get whine whine whine ....Its all part of the game . Its international true which means to hold space you have to defend against all time zones (whine whine whine) Or you just jump to another corp in a more sucessful alliance

I could fly almost every e-penis in eve and I needed to as the whine whine whine I started out Caldari but I flew e-penis I rarely flew Caldari ships .

The bad thing about eve is now I cant really get into most mmo's as I get whine whine whine because to be sucessful in eve you whine whine whine . everyone whine whine whine (whine whine whine ) keeping the pos's up and running and being a director is whine whine whine

At first though its brillant

Who gave you a character, or did you buy one?

Oh and the hurricane is a great BC.

Well first of all defensive posturing , And second of all most of the tier two BS's are ok its sorta elitist attitude as I could fly e-penis its sorta the way you go when elitist attitude

Hey look, it's the "I'm better than any of you" squad come to comment on EVE. I'm guessing buy your post you're a bitter ex-BoB pilot right? :roll:

Fixed your posts.

Hey ! I so thank you for proving my Jagoff academy position \o/ I say I played for 3 three years theres treachery abounds and I get called out for calling it out (or alternately accussed of not really playing but buying a character )

Well at least I wasnt some Motsu mission ganker or some COAD flamer or a ships channel scammer and I was never Bob nor Goon . Although alot of my friends in game did wind up in BNC aka Bob , I figured for 14.95 a month I could at least keep my honor and stick with the underdogs . In fact back when goonfleet wasnt cool with the north . My enitire alliance got rolled on by alliances that we where blue with (shared a intel channel even at the start of the war) because it was "proven" we open a cyno field for goonfleet (no one I knew had a freaking clue about it actually)

But look if playing in some 23/7 game is your cuppa tea fine . But nothing Ive said is untrue . Some logistical hassles are easier now with jump bridges but the POS needs to be fueled directors do have deal or swim in a pool of lies to guide there corps though (as does the everyday player.) And if any of that goes south any director who got fooled is pretty much ridiculed / flammed ect If enough people dont pitch in then you got 3 to 7 people doing most of logistics to keep the pos's going and maintain the corps place in the alliance.

Eventualy that looses its charm

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Malz
Hey ! I so thank you for proving my Jagoff academy position \o/ I say I played for 3 three years theres treachery abounds and I get called out for calling it out (or alternately accussed of not really playing but buying a character )

Well at least I wasnt some Motsu mission ganker or some COAD flamer or a ships channel scammer and I was never Bob nor Goon . Although alot of my friends in game did wind up in BNC aka Bob , I figured for 14.95 a month I could at least keep my honor and stick with the underdogs . In fact back when goonfleet wasnt cool with the north . My enitire alliance got rolled on by alliances that we where blue with (shared a intel channel even at the start of the war) because it was "proven" we open a cyno field for goonfleet (no one I knew had a freaking clue about it actually)

But look if playing in some 23/7 game is your cuppa tea fine . But nothing Ive said is untrue . Some logistical hassles are easier now with jump bridges but the POS needs to be fueled directors do have deal or swim in a pool of lies to guide there corps though (as does the everyday player.) And if any of that goes south any director who got fooled is pretty much ridiculed / flammed ect If enough people dont pitch in then you got 3 to 7 people doing most of logistics to keep the pos's going and maintain the corps place in the alliance.

Eventualy that looses its charm

Ah. Okay. Reading that was painful, but here's a hanky for you. Methinks you take video games far too seriously. Maybe try taking a break and checking to see if the sun is still around or something like that.

 

[hooflung]

My Alliance has been doing wormhole content as well as making isk. Normally we are pretty PVP only oriented but while we are adjusting to the new patch we decided to take a few weeks and do PVE and Wormhole PVP together.

My thoughts on the expansion:

1) It is the best expansion to EVE for both PVP. Here is why:

They have provided, through wormhole space, a way to fix the original problems of having a local channel auto populate entering players. Thus, it only takes a brand new alt ( as EVE allows 2 alts to each main per account ) to look inside a system to gather intel. This is one of the single most mechanics, next to POS warfare, that impacts unconsensual PVP, small gang PVP and fleet warfare in a negative way.

Wormholes force PVE players to learn PVP mechanics such as the directional scanner and warp disruptors/scamblers and how to scan for mobile warp disruptors and heavy interdictor ships. This also forces PVE players to fit their ships in such a way that they might survive being tackled.

Moreover, Wormholes allow you to find fast trade routes, roaming routes, escape routes, ambush routes, tactical environments and fleet hiding spots. An example of finding a route would be scanning wormholes in Caldari space and finding a wormhole that goes directly to another Faction's home region. You can find highsec to highsec, highsec to lowsec, highsec to null sec... and any combination of that. Thus if you need to pick stuff up in one region you now have a way to do so without piloting 40 jumps.

An example of an roaming route would be finding a wormhole in 0.0 near your home base that enters wormhole space. Inside the wormhole space there is a very good chance to find ( as we have done so several times ) another exit point to another 0.0 region. Thus you can take roaming hit squads for a joy ride in interceptors and assault ships and not worry if you have to do a lot of jumps back since you are in fast ships. Moreover, you can loose a t2 frig easier if you actually die in combat.

An example of an ambush route would be finding something similar to the roaming route but you put a heavier fleet of cruisers, battlecruisers and t2 cruisers inside the wormhole near the 2nd exit. Then you use bait to lure defense gangs into the system with the exit and maybe even a system past it then you bring your fleet through the exit wormhole and you effectively just used the wormhole like a nebula in Star Trek movies.

You can also, with very good success, just find the average pve'er inside the wormhole and gank them.

2) This is the best expansion ever for EVE in regards to PVE. Here is why:

In the new scanner system probing for standard 'mission like' exploration sites in 0.0 is as easy as putting a few 32au probes around the system and 10 seconds later you find warpable sites you can farm for isk. This is everywhere, not just highsec but lowsec too. Which means that people are not going to have to fight over limited resources INSIDE organizations. There is enough isk making for everyone to grab a piece of the pie. However, this also means there are more people to shoot in the systems ( ok ok this is also a plus for PVP too since more targets is good and more isk for people to spend on PVP is even better!! ).

The sites that take a bit longer to probe down also scale in isk value. And if it was hard for you to scan down, provided you are pretty handy at the scanner [see point 3 further dwn this review], then there is a large possiblity that it will take other people as long or longer to scan you down. Even if they use PVP probes to scan you down there are ways to make them deviate enough if you are smart and keen to the system mechanics.

3) The scanner mechanics is now more focused on player based abilities not just the ability to use a few buttons and train a few skills and waste 3-4 hours. Here's why:

You no longer waste time 'just because.' The only reason you suck at the scanner is because you suck at the scanner. It is not the most intuitive thing if you don't have a guide [hint: read the bloody dev blog with pretty pictures!!!] but if you do and you practice, like any part of the game, you can succeed and become a valued asset to any PVE or PVP corporation/alliance. It is 90% player skill and 10% trained skill. Your abilities to search down deviations for harder sites will make you or break you.

PVP scanning was already pretty simple, and pretty unbalanced because a monkey could scan a mothership down in moments to hot drop it to death. Now its still not too much harder but at least they aren't scanned down before they can align to warp after dropping out of warp. Also moving while in space will make someone scanning you down deviate so they won't get a 100% hit. They will have to work for their meal! But at the same time having a recon on grid with a fleet you can scan down Falcons, the bane of PVP, and warp to them pretty fast - again - if you have your personal skills up.

Now the patch isn't without its bugs and lag. But going on my 6th year of playing the game I know CCP will get that nipped in the bud. And playing other MMO's I know this is the norm. Complainers will always complain about it, but its not a big deal. This expansion single handedly took the game and righted many wrongs and added depth for many different play types. I feel like a noobie playing with over 100m skill points which is one of the best fealings you can have after playing a game for nearly 6 years strong. This feeling is happening all over my corp and alliance too. Its great!

 

[Malladine]

Nice post hooflung, i appreciate the input, even though i'm still reading through it

 

[Malladine]

Cane fit:

high - 5 artillery, 3 heavy launchers
mid - ab, 3x multispectrum ecms
low - med repairer, 2x adaptive nano plating II, 3x gyros, ecm booster

3x hammerhead II

This is replacing a myrm i lost to a Pilgrim while ratting in 0.0. It had no means of defense (i dont quite have skill for ecm drones yet), so i'm messing with this. Gonna try it tonight, in a few hrs. Any fitting advice or anything else from you guys? I'd appreciate it

might change the ANP to 2x n-type explosive hardeners since i'm fighting Angels.

 

[Coldkilla]

Whew.. alright, I finally convinced my brother to want to try this game with me.

We're going to try and tag team this '14 day trial' here and hopefully get a grasp of whats going on. Does this game reallly take that long to learn? They might want to consider making the trial period a little more than 14 days then lol!

Unless theres a way to bump that free trial up somehow..

 

[SJP0tato]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
We're going to try and tag team this '14 day trial' here and hopefully get a grasp of whats going on. Does this game reallly take that long to learn? They might want to consider making the trial period a little more than 14 days then lol!

After 14 days you'll probably either have a few of hundreds of goals to accomplish, or you'll feel like there's absolutely nothing to do in-game and lose interest completely.

All MMOs depend on the people you play with to define your experience, Eve is even more-so IMHO.

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Last night I logged in just long enough to figure out the new scanning system. I managed to track down and warp to a 3/10 rogue drone site (I was hoping for a wormhole, but there wasn't one in the system I was probing in). I'll do some more tonight.

I'm guessing that I should start training at least one more account for probing, and get my other characters into command ships (or at least tier 2 BC), so I can come up with an effective way to dual-box WH sites.

The ones in 0.0 space will require a decent fleet. According to the EVE forums a fleet of several BS's and Carrier were WTFBBQSAUCEPWN'D by the NPC's in a 0.0 wormhole. The only one who made it out alive in that fleet was the carrier I heard.

Carrier pilot was an idiot and didn't have Triage though so he would have deserved it had he went boom. =P

A triage carrier would have kept that fleet up easy, that guy was just clueless.

 

[Coldkilla]

Wellp, Steam offered up a 21 day trial. I'm at 95%. I'll start on these tutorials once again and see where I'm at. Is there a good way to meet people in Eve? I'd like to have a good experience but I dunno where I'd start.

Yall here seem to be heavy hitters, so I might do well with some lower skilled individuals

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Wellp, Steam offered up a 21 day trial. I'm at 95%. I'll start on these tutorials once again and see where I'm at. Is there a good way to meet people in Eve? I'd like to have a good experience but I dunno where I'd start.

Yall here seem to be heavy hitters, so I might do well with some lower skilled individuals

Depends. EVE is the only game I've ever played where scamming is not only not punishable (as long as it's not character sales scams) but it's actually ENCOURAGED.

Rule of thumb. Never. Trust. Anyone.

 

[Malladine]

That's a bit extreme, lol. There are decent people around. But yeah rule of thumb i guess. Don't trust security ratings for sure....

Cold, there's a starter channel you are forced into for 30 days, make use of that and ask all the questions you like. Just explore and enjoy the game

 

[Saga]

True. I mean there is a great social environment once you find a good corp. But solo play is risky for a newbie.

 

[FlasHBurN]

So is there a Corp that most of the people on Anandtech are in? I just started playing again, not sure for how long, but I'd like to join a Corp. I haven't done any PVP in the past, but I'm thinking of trying some now. In previous corp's I did a lot of mining and mining protection along with occasional ratting.

Right now I have about 8million SP and I fly a Raven. Also working on the skills for a HAC, which will probably take another 25 or so days.

 

[ibex333]

To all those who just started playing eve, here is some advice from a very paranoid, but experienced "carebear".

1)DON'T TRUST ANYONE. EVEN YOURSELF. I cannot stress this one enough. If someone is offering you something that sounds too good to be true, it almost ALWAYS is. Don't be greedy, don't just jump on things, use common sense. Don't give your full API key to anyone, dont tell peopel how much you make trading, mining or missioning. Don't boast about your new CNR fitted with officer mods, and don't tell anyone you just made a billion a week trading. You will regret it. The less people know about you in EVE the better.

2)If you cannot afford to lose your ship and replace it within a reasonable amount of time, don't undock it! Hell, don't even buy it!

3)Never do missions with people that are NOT in your corp, unless these people are your immediate friends in RL. but even then, still don't do missions with them unless they are in your corp.

4)If upon joining a corp, the recruiter tells you to pay an entrance fee, or a donation, do not pay it. Tell him to go f himself. That's how people get scammed.

5)Don't try to join Goons or Red Alliance. They will not take you unless you got connections or you happened to pwn several of them in 0.0 and earned someone's respect which is very unlikely. If you get contacted by soemone offering you to join Goons, RA or another major 'leet' alliance, tell em to go f themselves, because it's probably a scammer that will take your money or even worse, blow up your ship, take your stuff and pod you.

Oh and if you are Russian and you expect RA to take you in just because of that, think again. These fuckers are not Russians. They are... something else.

6)Don't ask people for trading advice, you wont get any aside from some basic hints and tips. If you'll ask for more, you'll get laughed at.

7)Don't ever assume you are safe. You are NEVER safe in EVE. Even in 1.0 empire space you can, and will get ganked, however unlikely it may seem. Try not to go afk unless docked. If you want to go afk in space, warp to a safespot and cloak. This is especially true for traders. ALWAYS warp to zero meters. Yes, I know I am being paranoid, and yes, there is a good reason for that.

8)Go into your autopilot options and select the "prefer safer" option. Never go to low sec or 0.0 unless you got money to waste or you know what you are doing. Never mine in a jetcan unless you are mining with a hauler.

9)IMHO, EVE is a very complicated and sophisticated game that can sometimes play with one's emotions and even point out your weaknesses in RL! But... Please remember that it is still just a game, so if you ever get scammed or griefed in any way that makes you hate the whole world and even yourself, take a break. Cool down. Then come back when you feel calm. You'll save yourself a lot of heartache.

Total money lost by me in assets, due to stupid mistakes, and otherwise:

Around 460 million isk.

 

[Red Storm]

So I've recently switched over to Gallente ships, and I got myself an Astarte (Field Command Ship). However, I'm not sure what the best fit is. Currently this is just for solo flying in high sec space with a mix of pve and pvp. Anyone know what a good fit is (tech 2 gear at most, no ridiculously expensive officer or faction mods) for this beast of a ship?

 

[JRich]

Serpentis setup. I'm sure I could think of something better, but I just woke up

[Astarte]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M

Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: ibex333
To all those who just started playing eve, here is some advice from a very paranoid, but experienced "carebear".

1)DON'T TRUST ANYONE. EVEN YOURSELF. I cannot stress this one enough. If someone is offering you something that sounds too good to be true, it almost ALWAYS is. Don't be greedy, don't just jump on things, use common sense. Don't give your full API key to anyone, dont tell peopel how much you make trading, mining or missioning. Don't boast about your new CNR fitted with officer mods, and don't tell anyone you just made a billion a week trading. You will regret it. The less people know about you in EVE the better.

2)If you cannot afford to lose your ship and replace it within a reasonable amount of time, don't undock it! Hell, don't even buy it!

3)Never do missions with people that are NOT in your corp, unless these people are your immediate friends in RL. but even then, still don't do missions with them unless they are in your corp.

4)If upon joining a corp, the recruiter tells you to pay an entrance fee, or a donation, do not pay it. Tell him to go f himself. That's how people get scammed.

5)Don't try to join Goons or Red Alliance. They will not take you unless you got connections or you happened to pwn several of them in 0.0 and earned someone's respect which is very unlikely. If you get contacted by soemone offering you to join Goons, RA or another major 'leet' alliance, tell em to go f themselves, because it's probably a scammer that will take your money or even worse, blow up your ship, take your stuff and pod you.

Oh and if you are Russian and you expect RA to take you in just because of that, think again. These fuckers are not Russians. They are... something else.

6)Don't ask people for trading advice, you wont get any aside from some basic hints and tips. If you'll ask for more, you'll get laughed at.

7)Don't ever assume you are safe. You are NEVER safe in EVE. Even in 1.0 empire space you can, and will get ganked, however unlikely it may seem. Try not to go afk unless docked. If you want to go afk in space, warp to a safespot and cloak. This is especially true for traders. ALWAYS warp to zero meters. Yes, I know I am being paranoid, and yes, there is a good reason for that.

8)Go into your autopilot options and select the "prefer safer" option. Never go to low sec or 0.0 unless you got money to waste or you know what you are doing. Never mine in a jetcan unless you are mining with a hauler.

9)IMHO, EVE is a very complicated and sophisticated game that can sometimes play with one's emotions and even point out your weaknesses in RL! But... Please remember that it is still just a game, so if you ever get scammed or griefed in any way that makes you hate the whole world and even yourself, take a break. Cool down. Then come back when you feel calm. You'll save yourself a lot of heartache.

Total money lost by me in assets, due to stupid mistakes, and otherwise:

Around 460 million isk.

Good post. Every once in a while someone ragequits because they were stupid enough to move most of their valuable stuff through high sec afk in a hauler, where someone else cargo scanned and then suicide ganked them. Currently, the ONLY time you are 100% safe in EVE is when you're docked.

There are ways to mitigate risk that mostly involve the application of common sense. Use them.

 

[Beev]

I've been thinking about re-subbing. I only put in maybe 10 total hours on my account, so I'd probably start over. So:

I plan to play very, very leisurely (maybe not even an hour a day) Is it still worth it?

What skills should I focus on first? I want to mostly do mining, crafting and maybe super basic mission runs. I don't plan to PvP at all, though I may buy a second ship to go out and mess around with some.

Best race for being a trader?

 

[Red Storm]

Originally posted by: JRich
Serpentis setup. I'm sure I could think of something better, but I just woke up

[Astarte]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M
200mm Railgun II, Spike M

Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

Hmm, running the numbers through EFT I'm not really impressed by how much damage the Astarte can take, especially considering the Nighthawk can run an almost godly shield tank. The Astarte only seems to do slightly more damage with much less defensive prowess.

Edit: I'm talking over time, of course. I'm really looking for something I can run near indefinitely, but that looks to be impossible with the hardeners.

 

[JRich]

Everything minus 1 repper or everything minus all the guns and it's cap stable. It'll tank 1300dps against serps. My domi tanks like 1200dps and 90% of the time I don't need that for lvl4 missions.

 

[Raduque]

When do you get to tag new skills to train them? In my char sheet, I can see a lot of skills I'm able to train, but in the training que, I can't find them to select them. Ex: I can see Cybernetics in my char sheet, but in the training que, it's not there, so I can't tag it to start learning.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Beev
I've been thinking about re-subbing. I only put in maybe 10 total hours on my account, so I'd probably start over. So:

I plan to play very, very leisurely (maybe not even an hour a day) Is it still worth it?

What skills should I focus on first? I want to mostly do mining, crafting and maybe super basic mission runs. I don't plan to PvP at all, though I may buy a second ship to go out and mess around with some.

Best race for being a trader?

Oh, one more question:

Is the main city still suuuuuper laggy? I forget what it's called but I remember barely being able to fly there.

 

[jRaskell]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Beev
I've been thinking about re-subbing. I only put in maybe 10 total hours on my account, so I'd probably start over. So:

I plan to play very, very leisurely (maybe not even an hour a day) Is it still worth it?

What skills should I focus on first? I want to mostly do mining, crafting and maybe super basic mission runs. I don't plan to PvP at all, though I may buy a second ship to go out and mess around with some.

Best race for being a trader?

Oh, one more question:

Is the main city still suuuuuper laggy? I forget what it's called but I remember barely being able to fly there.

Main city? You mean main system? No, JITA isn't super laggy the way it used to be. You're still going to experience some sluggishness in high traffic systems, but it's trivial compared to how it was in the past.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: jRaskell

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: Beev
I've been thinking about re-subbing. I only put in maybe 10 total hours on my account, so I'd probably start over. So:

I plan to play very, very leisurely (maybe not even an hour a day) Is it still worth it?

What skills should I focus on first? I want to mostly do mining, crafting and maybe super basic mission runs. I don't plan to PvP at all, though I may buy a second ship to go out and mess around with some.

Best race for being a trader?

Oh, one more question:

Is the main city still suuuuuper laggy? I forget what it's called but I remember barely being able to fly there.

Main city? You mean main system? No, JITA isn't super laggy the way it used to be. You're still going to experience some sluggishness in high traffic systems, but it's trivial compared to how it was in the past.

Ah, that's good. I remember barely being able to function about a year ago.

How about my other questions?