That's good advice and I appreciate it but I also don't want to look over my shoulder all day. You guys in 0.0 space have learned to cope with the constant threat of ganking but I'm spoiled to my casual grazing in 0.9 Anyways, the guys doing the hulk-ganking are the ones with 30-40 mil SP and lots of cool tech to keep me from enjoying my day. Unless I'm already aligned and ready to go at warp in I won't stand much of a chance. For me its better to bow out then to be forced to ragequit over losing my entire rig haha. Happy days
Is there usually a huge spike in ore prices after hulkageddon?
Is there usually a huge spike in ore prices after hulkageddon?
Unless I'm already aligned and ready to go at warp in I won't stand much of a chance.
This is why EVE is awesome. That blood pumping concern over your ship. Internet spaceship is serious business.
Your decision is probably a wise one but no offense but it is a bit sad that your quitting over a perceived threat.
Get a good Corp and they can help you.
Cheers,
You should always be aligned regardless of where you are. No matter what I'm doing I keep myself aligned to something with at least a few escape plans in mind if needed
Eve is can be a harsh game at the best of times, but in high sec there is a relatively sense of security. When a bunch of 0.0 players gear up to hassle miners specifically, that's not a perceived threat. These players mean to do exactly what they intend. I spend 95 percent of my game in my hulk. I'm RP for the most part and my character is a all industry. I avoid combat style gameplay, both PVE and PVP.
I play in high sec specifically to avoid this. The tradeoff is that I don't make as much money. I realize that every player can be a potential target outside of station regardless of the system. I would prefer a flagging system above 0.5. This is blasphemy to many players, but there really should be a way to opt out of pvp in the higher security systems.
I think CCP would be more successful in keeping casual players in the game that way. I know many older Eve players would rather not have them at all if it means changing the game even a little bit, but the money would help CCP more than the noobs would hurt you, and a few more targets couldn't hurt!
Happy Hunting people.
This is what makes EvE unique...and fun..and you want to remove and make it more like WoW
Not exactly. Flagging above 0.5 really wouldn't change the game that much. All of the core pvps are in 0.0 space anyway so nothing would change there. Danger does not always equal fun either.
Everyday in the 0.9 space I work in I see the same story...some player gets bored and and bait steals from a can...noob attacks ship, noob gets owned in the quickest way possible, noob ragequits, CCP cries about losing subs. Sure, you can blame the noob for being a noob, but I blame the asshole who ventured into highsec to bait them. This game doesn't necessary have to be about walking 10 miles barefoot up the side of a mountain in the middle of winter.
My idea is to allow flagging above 0.5 and make can grabbing punishable by concorde. This would allow of learning period of doing npc missions and getting to know the game before the danger comes. Difficulty naturally ramps up with npc pirates to 0.5, then after that you become exposed to the cold of space.
I promise you this changes nothing about the core game and provides a relatively safe environment for people like me to operate in. Eve is about opportunity cost....stay in high sec and make meager isk, or risk venturing into low sec for the big bucks...either way, it should be in the gamers hands.
Anyways, thats the only change I would make. I definetly don't want to turn it into wow lol, but I think CCP can benefit greatly from Eve being slightly more accessable. This is just a game after all, and who wants to pay money just to hurt themselves...well maybe a gimp, but that's another story.
Would you like to document that part...as I fear it based on nothing?
I should have been more careful in how I worded it. The entire sentence was meant to be dramatic. I didn't mean to imply that CCP actively complained through press release. I apologize.
Some people just won't like Eve, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that CCP would be unhappy for sub loses that are instigated by player action and not by game design itself. Then again, I guess game design includes all player action.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world
Here is CCP's stance on that topic:
Not exactly. Flagging above 0.5 really wouldn't change the game that much. All of the core pvps are in 0.0 space anyway so nothing would change there. Danger does not always equal fun either.
Everyday in the 0.9 space I work in I see the same story...some player gets bored and and bait steals from a can...noob attacks ship, noob gets owned in the quickest way possible, noob ragequits, CCP cries about losing subs. Sure, you can blame the noob for being a noob, but I blame the asshole who ventured into highsec to bait them. This game doesn't necessary have to be about walking 10 miles barefoot up the side of a mountain in the middle of winter.
My idea is to allow flagging above 0.5 and make can grabbing punishable by concorde. This would allow of learning period of doing npc missions and getting to know the game before the danger comes. Difficulty naturally ramps up with npc pirates to 0.5, then after that you become exposed to the cold of space.
I promise you this changes nothing about the core game and provides a relatively safe environment for people like me to operate in. Eve is about opportunity cost....stay in high sec and make meager isk, or risk venturing into low sec for the big bucks...either way, it should be in the gamers hands.
Anyways, thats the only change I would make. I definetly don't want to turn it into wow lol, but I think CCP can benefit greatly from Eve being slightly more accessable. This is just a game after all, and who wants to pay money just to hurt themselves...well maybe a gimp, but that's another story.
I almost never enter 0.0 space, and when I do it is very difficult to find the small gang warfare that I like to do. Of course that doesn't mean it isn't there, I just don't spend time there so I don't know how to find it. Even so, I am very much a PvP character first and foremost even if I never go to 0.0. While I have been away from the game more than usual lately, I still have nearly 800 kills over the last 2 years (see my sig). Of those, maybe 20 came in 0.0 space, the rest are in low security and a few in high security space.
That said, I don't know what a flagging system even means. I like the way Eve is set up with a police system in high security space that doesn't keep you from doing bad things, but punishes you for doing it (just like real life). In fact the less transparent game mechanics of Eve are probably its biggest selling point. It has more suspension of disbelief than most games, and that is an important thing for me. If a flagging system makes logical sense where it is something you would likely see in real life then maybe it would be ok, but then I don't have a clue what a flagging system even is or what it is meant to accomplish.
The police system doesn't punish you for doing bad things. It only punishes you for assaulting players. You can steal, defame, and defraud all day long and Concorde doesn't care. Flagging in high sec would simply be a way of making you immune from the ridiculous unofficially sanctioned griefing events that take place. If you read back to when the conversation started you'll get the whole picture of what I was talking about.
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic by saying you don't know what a flagging system is, so if you truly don't just wiki "pvp".
I had never heard of flagging before, but after seeing what it is in the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player#Flagging), I definitely don't want to ever see that in Eve. They can use it in other games if they want, but I can't see it having a place in Eve. It just goes against the whole free-market sandbox ideals that the whole game is based on.
I play in high sec specifically to avoid this. The tradeoff is that I don't make as much money. I realize that every player can be a potential target outside of station regardless of the system. I would prefer a flagging system above 0.5. This is blasphemy to many players, but there really should be a way to opt out of pvp in the higher security systems.
Very little non-consensual PvP goes on in high-security systems and new players are less likely to encounter it than a experienced player in with a couple billion ISK worth of cargo or fitted modules. Can-baiting and other newbie baiting tactics are just ways of tricking newbies into consensually entering PvP using the flagging system already in the game.
As for the threat of Hulkageddon, most Hulks go completely unmolested during this period. If you're not mining near any of the big gank systems you not going to be in that much more danger. The destroyer gangs aren't going to search the galaxy for Hulks when they already know where to find more then they can possibly kill.
How does making it impossible to gank people in 1.0 space affect the free-market at all? Are you telling me that revenue from ganking noobs and salvaging their ships is that good? Anyways, the only reason i mentioned it was because as i said i mine in 0.9 (by choice) and would prefer to not have my Hulk popped during hulkageddon which i have no control over, short of just not flying it or watching my back every 2 second. High security was designed as a way to avoid that. My choices were to risk it or leave the game (during hulkageddon). I would have prefered a third option. I don't do combat btw, I RP as a pro miner and manufacturing. My character doesn't swing that way.
I respect your opinion though as well as all the rest. It takes all types to make an MMO worth the trouble. We all want what we want.
How does making it impossible to gank people in 1.0 space affect the free-market at all? Are you telling me that revenue from ganking noobs and salvaging their ships is that good? Anyways, the only reason i mentioned it was because as i said i mine in 0.9 (by choice) and would prefer to not have my Hulk popped during hulkageddon which i have no control over, short of just not flying it or watching my back every 2 second. High security was designed as a way to avoid that. My choices were to risk it or leave the game (during hulkageddon). I would have prefered a third option. I don't do combat btw, I RP as a pro miner and manufacturing. My character doesn't swing that way.
I respect your opinion though as well as all the rest. It takes all types to make an MMO worth the trouble. We all want what we want.
How does making it impossible to gank people in 1.0 space affect the free-market at all? Are you telling me that revenue from ganking noobs and salvaging their ships is that good? Anyways, the only reason i mentioned it was because as i said i mine in 0.9 (by choice) and would prefer to not have my Hulk popped during hulkageddon which i have no control over, short of just not flying it or watching my back every 2 second. High security was designed as a way to avoid that. My choices were to risk it or leave the game (during hulkageddon). I would have prefered a third option. I don't do combat btw, I RP as a pro miner and manufacturing. My character doesn't swing that way.
I respect your opinion though as well as all the rest. It takes all types to make an MMO worth the trouble. We all want what we want.
Thanks for the information. Which systems do you consider prime gank systems?
When I was talking about the free-market sandbox, I was talking about the ability to do what you want, when you want to with the appropriate consequences. If you can afford to lose your ship to concord, you can go and blow up someone you don't like in High-sec if you want. The game doesn't keep you from doing it, but it does give a consequence for making that decision. There are consequences for every action you take in the game, even in 0.0, but I don't mind the mechanics as they are. I guess I could see CCP changing the insurance so it wouldn't pay out to CONCORD deaths, but that is really as far as I would like them to go in reducing suicide ganks.
I have one PvP character, and a second that only scouts and hauls. The second has been the targeted victim of a few suicide ganks, although each failed. I am sure it will happen eventually, as it isn't that difficult but I am also more careful than perhaps some others by tanking and fitting stabs and nanos in highsec. Even so, I don't mind the mechanic that I might lose 100's of millions of ISK to a suicide ganker at all. It is part of what makes the game fun.
That brings me to my question for you, which is what sorts of skills do you use in mining? I just finished training for a rorqual, and will take delivery on it tomorrow. While doing that, I needed to train all sorts of mining skills, so I was thinking of buying a Hulk and mining in highsec in my free time. What sorts of skills are needed to mine effectively? I already have perfect refining skills, since I used to do a lot of manufacturing, but I haven't trained mining at all except what was required for the Rorqual.