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NTAC

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So you can pay for the monthly subscription by using in game credits or something? can someone explain that?
 

KaOTiK

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So you can pay for the monthly subscription by using in game credits or something? can someone explain that?

There are these things called PLEX. A PLEX is where someone buys gametime from CCP for Eve and they choose to receive an ingame item called PLEX to represent 30 days of game time. People buy them with real money to sell in the game for isk the ingame currency. Players with lots of isk buy PLEX to keep playing the game for free for themselves. There are those of us that make a lot of isk and keep paying for multiple accounts with buying PLEX's from people. For example, I have 3 accounts, they are all paid for for nearly a year still all with PLEX, I didn't pay a single penny for this and instead paid for it using in game currency only, isk.

So in the end, people that need isk, sell PLEX's to get isk from people who want gametime but don't want to pay real money to keep playing. Either way CCP makes their money and the amount of actual isk in game doesn't change but simply swaps hands.
 

NTAC

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There are these things called PLEX. A PLEX is where someone buys gametime from CCP for Eve and they choose to receive an ingame item called PLEX to represent 30 days of game time. People buy them with real money to sell in the game for isk the ingame currency. Players with lots of isk buy PLEX to keep playing the game for free for themselves. There are those of us that make a lot of isk and keep paying for multiple accounts with buying PLEX's from people. For example, I have 3 accounts, they are all paid for for nearly a year still all with PLEX, I didn't pay a single penny for this and instead paid for it using in game currency only, isk.

So in the end, people that need isk, sell PLEX's to get isk from people who want gametime but don't want to pay real money to keep playing. Either way CCP makes their money and the amount of actual isk in game doesn't change but simply swaps hands.

Ah ok, probably not easy to earn the amount of ISK that you need for like 1 month of game time as a new player I assume?

This game looks awesome but at the same time insanely overwhelming... like what is the point if you are a single player with no desire to really join a corp or what not?
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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Ah ok, probably not easy to earn the amount of ISK that you need for like 1 month of game time as a new player I assume?

This game looks awesome but at the same time insanely overwhelming... like what is the point if you are a single player with no desire to really join a corp or what not?

Yeah, for a new player it really isn't feasible to do PLEX till you get a good money making scheme going.

The game is overwhelming yes, it throws you into a giant sandbox and you can do whatever you want. How you go about accomplishing the same goals as someone else can be totally different and the end result the same.

IMO, a corp is a must, it makes the game 10x better, but there are lots of lonewolfs out there that like it that way. For a new person, you really should join a noob friendly corp to at least get a hang of all the basics before going out on your own.

Eve is a unique beast. Every action really does have a positive and negative too it, so people don't generally do something unless it is in their best interest to do so. Dying hurts, you'll lose your ship, and if you aren't quick enough or the enemy is ready for it, you'll lose your pod. There goes lots of isk and time just for that, you are truly punished for it and because of that you deal with a lot less stupidity in general imo.
 

Martimus

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Newbies are everywhere to be honest, or really it is more like stupid people are everywhere.... If you get bored of 0.0, go into W-Space. It is a lot more exciting if you ask me. No local to warn you that someone scanned down a connecting worm hole to your system and jumped a fleet of 30 people into it. You are constantly watching/updating the system scanner watching for tell tales like probes (but if they know what they are doing, they will use their passive ship sensors and track you down if you are in a normal site and not an anomaly).

You never know when you jump through that worm hole if you are landing on camp because their isn't another route to go around to get to that system. They will immediately know that someone entered/exited the wormhole as there is a wormhole flash/fire, so you can't just sit there cloaked like you can as you enter a gate waiting out the timer and sneaking your way back into range of the gate. So they will be actively searching about trying to find you (and the space that you appear is a LOT smaller with wormholes, I think max distance to exit is 5k, so a couple cans/bubbles can pretty much decloak anything as well).

Actually you are already in jump range when you jump, so you could wait out the timer and jump. But bombs and smartbombs are effective.
 

NTAC

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May 21, 2003
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Yeah, for a new player it really isn't feasible to do PLEX till you get a good money making scheme going.

The game is overwhelming yes, it throws you into a giant sandbox and you can do whatever you want. How you go about accomplishing the same goals as someone else can be totally different and the end result the same.

IMO, a corp is a must, it makes the game 10x better, but there are lots of lonewolfs out there that like it that way. For a new person, you really should join a noob friendly corp to at least get a hang of all the basics before going out on your own.

Eve is a unique beast. Every action really does have a positive and negative too it, so people don't generally do something unless it is in their best interest to do so. Dying hurts, you'll lose your ship, and if you aren't quick enough or the enemy is ready for it, you'll lose your pod. There goes lots of isk and time just for that, you are truly punished for it and because of that you deal with a lot less stupidity in general imo.

So what happens when you lose your pod?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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So what happens when you lose your pod?

You wake up in a new clone. You need to keep your backup clone up to date as they only can hold so many sp. If you dont have it updated then you lose I think 1 level off of your highest skill? never happened to me.

You will also lose any implants you had in the clone. This could be in the 5 billion isk range for some.
 

Fallen Kell

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You wake up in a new clone. You need to keep your backup clone up to date as they only can hold so many sp. If you dont have it updated then you lose I think 1 level off of your highest skill? never happened to me.

You will also lose any implants you had in the clone. This could be in the 5 billion isk range for some.

You lose 5% all the sp of the total sp over the limit of your clones sp limit. So say you were 1million sp over the limit of your clone and got podkilled. You will lose 50,000 sp, and it will come out of the skill (or skills) that you have the most sp invested in (each skill has a difficulty rank, which affects how many skill points it takes to train to the next level, so basically the skill or skills which you had the most sp total will be the one(s) which lose the skill points, not necessarily the most recent skills you trained. So for instance, if you have Gallente Carrier a rank 14 skill, trained to level 5, which took approx 3,560,000 skill points to train to that level, you can be reasonably sure, your 50,000 that you lost will come from that skill. So basically the highest level, highest ranked skill will be the one that you lose the points).

EDIT: Never had that happen to me either. In fact, I don't think I have ever been pod killed (I am going to knock on some wood now, as I should have been podded a dozen or more times, but always some how manged to get away, even with bubbles/dictors/hictors).
 
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KaOTiK

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I've been podded twice I think, lost a set of +3s and +4s. Thankfully nothing really expensive. I think I'd cry a little if I lost my HG Slaves + all the other implants in my good clone
 

Martimus

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I have been podded once, and unfortunately I was in my slave set. My clone was up to date, however, so I didn't lose any skill points.
 

Fallen Kell

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380million to 420million round abouts there.

Well, current market it is more like 430-480m.... But this might simply be a bubble.

That said, prior to June/July, it was more like 320-380m, with prices a year ago being 280-320m.

(In June/July there was a LOT of PLEX speculation, with people buying hundreds, even thousands of PLEX off the market as CCP was introducing new features which were going to be based on PLEX to gain access/use. That whole fiasco is part of what caused the mass EVE boycotts and exodus. Needless to say those services have been a flop.)
 
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Lonbjerg

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Well, current market it is more like 430-480m.... But this might simply be a bubble.

That said, prior to June/July, it was more like 320-380m, with prices a year ago being 280-320m.

(In June/July there was a LOT of PLEX speculation, with people buying hundreds, even thousands of PLEX off the market as CCP was introducing new features which were going to be based on PLEX to gain access/use. That whole fiasco is part of what caused the mass EVE boycotts and exodus. Needless to say those services have been a flop.)

That is what happens when you ignore your players and just play "Titanic"...I have been absent for +6 months now...and I am still weary about returning...due to the top levle management at CCP
 

Fallen Kell

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Well, so far the latest update has been really good. I'm still looking at all the new modules they added to see what I need to change in terms of ship fits (and possibly need a few extra skills).

Some changes acted a little unexpected. Tax on PI is now based on some type of universal market average, and taxes in places like low sec, null, and w-space have gone through the roof (wanting to force players to destroy the existing customs offices and replace them with corp owned ones). But the current costs of the corp owned offices are pretty steep, as well as needing a decent amount of firepower to take it down. I don't see that happening in some places, as that fleet will be a sitting duck for someone to drop a cyno on their butts....

The new corporate bookmarks are really handy, especially for a wormhole corp. No longer need to put bookmarks in cans/hangers and have people need to remember to make copies when they pull them out, etc. Now, you just scan sites down, a organize them in the corp bookmarks folders, and everyone has the bookmarks. Also makes it a lot easier to get people back into the wormhole, as you no longer need to travel to the nearest station (which can be a real pain null or low sec) and put up corp contracts so they can get in.
 
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TheVrolok

Lifer
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The 35.2% T3 bonuses are bordering on silly. My DD tanks something like 155 dps heated, with a sig of 18 using my legion/loki bonus alts. They really should have made a more difficult prereq for T2 links .. maybe Wing V or something.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Back in the game. Signed up for a month. I have a few players that I will send buddy passes to. And if they decide to sign up. I will take the money I would had spent on monthly fee's and buy plexes so we all have enough cash to start off the game.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Back in the game. Signed up for a month. I have a few players that I will send buddy passes to. And if they decide to sign up. I will take the money I would had spent on monthly fee's and buy plexes so we all have enough cash to start off the game.

If fallen kell is correct and current plex prices are in the 500million range you should sell some now and buy them back again later on when the price comes back down.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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That is a good point. But dont want to invest too much into the game if they decide it isnt for them. It would be nice to have that much cash for myself. But I dont see myself flying big enough ships to need that right now. I will check it out tonight. So much has changed and the last time I played the game had learning skills. So I think there will be some unused skill points I need to distribute.
 

Fallen Kell

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Oct 9, 1999
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Learning skills and social skills were all changed (so if you ran missions in the past and trained up a lot of the different "connections" skills, you will have a bunch more free skill points to allocate).
 

Ross Ridge

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Looks like PLEX prices might be in free fall right now, but before they were on a pretty steady increasing slope for the last few months.
 

NTAC

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lol, I need an EVE dictionary just to understand half the stuff you guys are saying
 
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