EVE!

[Martimus]

So my miner is right where I need her on skills. I started a fighter alt and he should be ready in about 190ish days driving amarr battleships.

Poor guy wont be leaving his station in Gallente space for months. Hope he likes the view

I have a character with mostly maxed mining skills (I think), but I have never mined with him. I did use him to pilot my Rorqual for a while until I sold it though.

Since I never play this game, I would consider selling my character. Maxed Galente skills and mostly Maxed in Minmatar and Amarr. Has a Thanatos and about 12B isk of capital (8 billion liquid funds). I kept him because I spent so much time building him up, but it has been about a year since I have played more than a few minutes in a day. Maybe I will never get back into it and I should just get rid of him. Although he is only useful for PVP as his PVE skills either suck or are non-existant.

Edit: I say this, but to be honest I can't imagine why I would sell the character. The character is worth more to me than the money I could get for it. I can't imagine a 70M skillpoint character with 100% of those skills in combat fetching enough money to even bother with the transaction.

 

[ibex333]

I can't imagine a 70M skillpoint character with 100% of those skills in combat fetching enough money to even bother with the transaction.

I'd LOVE to sell my 66m SP character, I'd sell him for much less than he is worth too! but so far I cannot find a way to safely get rid of him.

 

[Martimus]

I'd LOVE to sell my 66m SP character, I'd sell him for much less than he is worth too! but so far I cannot find a way to safely get rid of him.

I really don't know much about how to do that. I was really only writing what I did as way to motivate me to stop my subscription, since I dont use it. But I may get back to the game eventuallh, since I did have fun with it. I just like that I can do what I want with my free time now, and not be tied down to playing a specific game all the time to help my friends out.

 

[hrbngr2]

G/L w/the sale if you decide to do it. I would expect the whole process to be a bit harrowing for both buyer/seller since there is no way to guarantee the process.

On another note, I will continue to review the Datacores thread as I am not sure if i should cash out all my research points now and buy datacores or if I need to buy the DCs and sell them as well...it's not clear which patch will change how they work, and when that patch will be implemented, but it's going to be a pain to fly around and buy the datacores, definitely.

 

[Deaner3D]

I'd say datacores are a solid speculation investment. They haven't moved much in the past year. And you can almost guarantee they'll double or triple once disabling RP collection on expired accounts is announced. That said, I don't know how many datacores come from exploration vs. Research agents nowadays.

 

[hrbngr2]

So here is the latest on Datacores from the link that I posted, someone checking SiSi noticed the following:

"Just checked on the latest build of SISI. They are HALVING the amount of datacores you get and adding an isk cost. Instead of costing 50RP for a mechanical engineering datacore it now costs 100RP and 10k isk per mechanical engineering datcore. So my 80M isk a month from running 5 agents will now be worth 40M."

here is a screenshot he posted: www.flickr.com/photos/65181999@N02/6992953288/in/photostream

 

[NikolaeVarius]

The carebear talk. It burns.

 

[ichy]

Sounds to me like exploration is going to become a lot more lucrative.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Sounds to me that I should buy 2billion isk worth of datacores before the prices jump, and then resell at profits....

 

[hrbngr2]

I guess buying datacores now could be a good idea. However, I am concerned about the possibility of Faction Warfare characters inundating the market w/cheap datacores as they generally won't be using them for industry, only as one of the more easily re-sellable items in their LP stores if they are allowed to start purchasing them w/their points.

I am also currently trying to decide what the magic number of characters to multibox for missions is right now. I have been using (4) 3 dps and 1 in a noctis for salvage. Having four characters also keeps me from running out of missions after I decline the ones requiring me to kill other factions. I do think that I could get down to a 2 dps and 1 salvage setup--if i chose to run a faction battleship along w/the tengu/tank. If that works out and the datacores don't stay profitable, I will probably combine the other characters into those three accounts and start saving real life money.

 

[Martimus]

I guess buying datacores now could be a good idea. However, I am concerned about the possibility of Faction Warfare characters inundating the market w/cheap datacores as they generally won't be using them for industry, only as one of the more easily re-sellable items in their LP stores if they are allowed to start purchasing them w/their points.

I am also currently trying to decide what the magic number of characters to multibox for missions is right now. I have been using (4) 3 dps and 1 in a noctis for salvage. Having four characters also keeps me from running out of missions after I decline the ones requiring me to kill other factions. I do think that I could get down to a 2 dps and 1 salvage setup--if i chose to run a faction battleship along w/the tengu/tank. If that works out and the datacores don't stay profitable, I will probably combine the other characters into those three accounts and start saving real life money.

Pretty much all level 5 missions can be run with a single t1 tank (Drake or Prophesy for the bonuses) and a logi and DPS. If you make the tank have decent DPS you could do it with two, but that requires more exotic ships. I am a cheap bastard, so I go the cheap route.

Edit: I forgot, a Nighthawk would work for the tank/dps and would be relatively cheap. I haven't done any of those missions in years, but I had friends who did. One used a legion/onerios the other used a basi/drake and got help to act as DPS.

 

[hrbngr2]

Martimus,
aren't L5s all in Low-sec now? If so, that's not really an option for me. I would rather join a wormhole type of corp. Basically, I'd like to join a corp who's member simply want to make the most ISK possible in 0.0 or wherever, I really don't have the physical skills (due to carpal tunnal) to pvp. I wish there were some L5s in hi-sec. I'm so tired of CCP always pushing us towards low/0.0. Can't I choose where to play in the sandbox?

 

[Martimus]

I assumed that you were doing level 5 missions because there aren't any level 4 missions that require multiple ships to complete. Or at least there werent when I used to run them in a domi in 2009, but they may have changed since then.

 

[hrbngr2]

Oh,
I run (4) lvl 4 missions at a time as I was trying to rack up lots of rep to get all my accounts able to use Lvl 4 R&D agents. Also, when you run that many L4s at once, you can sort of stack the missions (i generally run in blood raider territory so that I can salvage) in terms of hardeners and specific dps, plus I can decline missions over 4 different chars so I don't have to stop running missions if I get too many faction specific ones that I need to decline.

Since I am not willing to run L5s in low and have no 0.0 corp accounts currently, I will probably have to focus on trading to make enough money to play for free, but that is not something I am really interested in, I might look into production as well--since I already have all these R&D skills, lol.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Martimus,
aren't L5s all in Low-sec now? If so, that's not really an option for me. I would rather join a wormhole type of corp. Basically, I'd like to join a corp who's member simply want to make the most ISK possible in 0.0 or wherever, I really don't have the physical skills (due to carpal tunnal) to pvp. I wish there were some L5s in hi-sec. I'm so tired of CCP always pushing us towards low/0.0. Can't I choose where to play in the sandbox?

Less whining, Eve IS a sandbox. The more risk you put in, the more money you make.

No corp in the entire game, especially in low sec or 00, wants a person who only makes money and doesnt pvp. You're a massive waste of space and time.

 

[Michael]

If you can click enough mouse buttons to run missions, you can PvP.

I ran a decent sized low sec Alliance for a while and ran a corporation for even longer. We never would have accepted someone that only wanted to make isk unless they were an alt of a PvP account and the isk was being used to PvP.

Michael

 

[Martimus]

Michael,
How is everything going for you? I hope that the new job has been working out well. I know how fleeting that kind of position can be.

I actually decided to log on and play a little bit this week. Just posting in Local in Antem I managed to get 9 people to join me on a little roam. Some of them were even red to each other, although at this point I doubt we are really worried about any of those politics. I was so out of practice that I made all sorts of mistakes leading them around and we got no kills.

 

[Red Storm]

If you can click enough mouse buttons to run missions, you can PvP.

I ran a decent sized low sec Alliance for a while and ran a corporation for even longer. We never would have accepted someone that only wanted to make isk unless they were an alt of a PvP account and the isk was being used to PvP.

I don't think mouse clicks are the issue, rather it's a matter of having the time, but not just time, time that can't be interrupted by real life. I personally don't have that kind of time to give to a video game, nor would I even if I did. "Srs" Eve is too much like a real life job that costs you time and/or money.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I don't think mouse clicks are the issue, rather it's a matter of having the time, but not just time, time that can't be interrupted by real life. I personally don't have that kind of time to give to a video game, nor would I even if I did. "Srs" Eve is too much like a real life job that costs you time and/or money.

Which is why people who only mission and nothing else will stay in high sec and never get access to more lucrative money making. You need to risk things in order to get things. L4's do none of that.

I run plex's in a 1.2 billion isk Tengu. If I don't pay attention at all times,I could lose it in less than 20 seconds. I regularly carry around over 2 billion isk in loot. I risk it all, which is why I can make ridiculous sums of isk if I felt like it

CCP isn't forcing anyone to move to low sec,00, or WH, but they've deliberately limited (not enough in my opinion) the isk you can make in high sec because you're not doing anything that requires interaction with other players.

If you don't take risks, help keep space, help the killboard, you're absolutely useless.

 

[hrbngr2]

NV/Red Storm/Michael/Martimus,

Thanks for the replies, R/L and physical limitations do indeed interfere quite a bit w/playtime and schedules. I take what I can get, I suppose. EVE is a sandbox, so I choose to play the way I want to, and if I need to PVP, which would be a requirement in low/0.0 corps, I will have to find another way.

 

[Michael]

Martimus - Still rolling along in the new job. Will be in the USA and Canada for the next 2 weeks. I find it kind of funny about the comments about time to play Eve considering my job and how I always managed to balance it.

hrbngr2 - The corp I used to run had no issues with "part-time" players. No one was expected to be on 24/7 and CTAs were as rare as we could make them.

I haven't logged on since my accounts expired. No desire to yet. I do miss playing with the guys, though.

Michael

 

[Kadarin]

The thing about EVE that I liked best was small to medium sized gang fights in 0.0. However, to do this requires a pretty regular playing style where you're online pretty often and able to commit to the group. I can't do that now, so if I were to play, it would be carebearing in high sec space, and that's not as fun. So the game stopped being fun for me, and I eventually stopped playing it.

From '04-'08 or so I played it pretty regularly.

 

[Martimus]

I agree that small roams are the most fun, but large roams and solo jobs are fun too. I think it just matters what mood you are in.

 

[l0cke]

I just started playing EVE on a 21-day trial a few days ago. It's pretty cool

 

[Fallen Kell]

Ok, so I have never been in a battle this big, and unfortunately, we only got 1 kill. In my WH some "Narwhals ate my Duck" showed up a little over a week ago when they were taking out a POS in a connecting WH. Since we had a high sec exit, they had to camp our side of the that wormhole to keep anyone from fleeing. Fast forward a few days and they are still seen from time to time in our hole. They made a kill over the weekend of a T1 hauller when it was in our static. So, we knew they were still dicking around in our hole, and really didn't know why. Yesterday, they brought in a decent sized fleet of 8-9 oracles, 3 proteuses, 1 loki (that we knew of), a megathron, and a gallente command ship and started putting our planetary stations into reinforcement.

Later last night the CEO of Double-Down (one of the Narwhals corps) convos us to and basically asked if anyone had even spoken with us. We said no, and he then basically says that they are taking out all our PI stations and replacing them with their own, and for a small fee (5% tax), we would then be given "priority" and a "discount" on "protection" from other corps. Well, we started thinking it over and basically called BS on it. A little while after he logs off (wasn't able to scan him down before the timer ended...), a 2 day old character shows up in the hole. Well, we popped and podded him as he could have been a scan alt, but we think he was just some unlucky person, as he didn't even have a cloak.

We called in some friends we had made, and we had one hell of a good time. So today the reinforcement was ending on our stations, and I had 2 characters in the WH scouting in stealth bombers, while we had a fleet of about 40 people forming up and coming in. The Narwhales didn't have a clue. We waited for them to have their fleet in, this time 7 oracles, 1 tornado, 3 proteuses, 1 tengu, 2 loki's, a megathrone, and some scouts (a buzzard and a cheetah that we knew of) and an orca (which had their stations that they were going to erect). They proceed to take down the first PI station and put in their own just as we got the fleet in position, and they all scattered to random safes while the next station was waiting to exit reinforcement. So we play the waiting game. The second station finally exits reinforcement and they all warp on it and proceed to start pounding it, that is when we jumpped in 2 hictors with 4 logis and 8 T3's (various races) into the WH and bubbled the exit. They saw this and immediately warped trying to get to the exit, but it was too late (they at least warped at range so we were unable to capture them). They then scattered again, and so we then brought in another 14 or 15 people in battlecruisers and battleships until we collapsed the exit trapping them all in there with us

And then played hide and seek for the next 20 minutes or so as people tried to log off once the timers had warn off. But we did manage to catch their CEO and popped and podded him

http://narwhals.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13381181

http://narwhals.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13381180

They are still in there with us, but will probably manage to escape at some point since we know they have at least 2 scan ships which didn't get caught (we managed to collapse the entrance on one of them). Their station was then put in reinforcement, but we don't think they will come to defend...