Expectations from 5870 to 6950

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Jaydip

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Well from my experience its very subjective.I had gtx 470 sli for a short time and never experienced any micro stutter at all.On the contrary my friend with 5870 xfire experienced micro stutter on my rig.Its YMMV thing i guess
 

reallyscrued

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reallyscrued, what I am talking about is, when you use analogy about cars, I gave you proper analogy.
Well engineered 4 banger can out perform 6 Cycliner too! but that is not the point here.
I was talking about expectation I had in difference between Gen of GPU.
Even 6970 (Unlocked from from 6950) does not give you a HUGE difference. (Not even 10%)
I have a feeling 6970 and 7970 have a more then 10% of a difference ?

No, what I gave you was a proper analogy. You're asking why your 'driving experience' hasn't improved.

If you want to feel the difference, feel it with these settings:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1572985
 

Mir96TA

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No, what I gave you was a proper analogy. You're asking why your 'driving experience' hasn't improved.

If you want to feel the difference, feel it with these settings:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1572985
I didn't give you the my experience; I gave you the fact. I even show much of difference between 4970 vs 5870 6970 vs 7970 and offcourse 5870 vs 6950, 6970.
What you talk about was sound like I would be talking about Image quality, Display output ports, perhaps may be Eyefinity, HDMI sound; aka Sound system, suspension, seat cloting.
What I did was a pure talk about computing power of the Video chipset.
 

Arkaign

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5xxx was one of the best AMD GPU gens, and it was made even better by the 5850 not being fantastically expensive, and easy to OC.

6xxx was just incremental, there was zero reason for anyone with a 5xxx card to upgrade for the most part.

7xxx is a big upgrage, but seems slower than Nvidia 6xx overall, and is psycho expensive.

It's just not a fun time to try to mess with new GPUs unless you want to spend quite a bit of money. Even an old 460GTX 1GB is hard to replace with anything hugely better for less than $300. I got a 6950 2GB, it's fast enough for me that I don't OC or unlock it, so I guess I'll sit on it until I see something in the ~$200 range that's a good bit faster, perhaps a 660ti a year from now?
 

Lepton87

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5xxx was one of the best AMD GPU gens, and it was made even better by the 5850 not being fantastically expensive, and easy to OC.

6xxx was just incremental, there was zero reason for anyone with a 5xxx card to upgrade for the most part.

I don't agree, I had 2x5870 and I upgraded to 2x6950 and it was easily 30% faster due to better CF scaling. Still I didn't have enough performance so I bought 6990. It's a shame that nv doesn't allow SLI with dual plus single cards.
 

reallyscrued

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I didn't give you the my experience; I gave you the fact. I even show much of difference between 4970 vs 5870 6970 vs 7970 and offcourse 5870 vs 6950, 6970.
What you talk about was sound like I would be talking about Image quality, Display output ports, perhaps may be Eyefinity, HDMI sound; aka Sound system, suspension, seat cloting.
What I did was a pure talk about computing power of the Video chipset.

We seem to be disagreeing on semantics.

I was equating 'driving experience' with computing performance of the card. Sorry for the confusion.

You're original complaint was that you were not blown away by upgrading from your 5870 to the 6950, right?

Well I'm trying to say what you're experiencing is normal considering the specs of the card and you are probably not pushing it in the areas that it excels over the previous generation.
 

Arkaign

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I don't agree, I had 2x5870 and I upgraded to 2x6950 and it was easily 30% faster due to better CF scaling. Still I didn't have enough performance so I bought 6990. It's a shame that nv doesn't allow SLI with dual plus single cards.

You're definitely the exception to the rule though, the market for SLI/CF setups is spectacularly tiny compared to single GPU setups. I'm not saying that your experience is wrong, but it doesn't reflect what one would have gotten going from 1x 5870 to 1x 6950 (a case where often the 5870 wins!).
 

Lepton87

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You're definitely the exception to the rule though, the market for SLI/CF setups is spectacularly tiny compared to single GPU setups. I'm not saying that your experience is wrong, but it doesn't reflect what one would have gotten going from 1x 5870 to 1x 6950 (a case where often the 5870 wins!).

Even when 5870 is faster than 6950 it offers no gameplay advantage at all. 6950 in some games provides a way better experience. 6950 is definitely a better card. "upgrading" from 5870 to 6950 is really pointless though, only in CF it is worth it. Changing from top tier to second tier graphics is very often sidegrading. Analogically switching from GTX480 to GTX570 would be way worse, the only advantage being less power consumption.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/511?vs=510
 

Arkaign

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Even when 5870 is faster than 6950 it offers no gameplay advantage at all. 6950 in some games provides a way better experience. 6950 is definitely a better card. "upgrading" from 5870 to 6950 is really pointless though, only in CF it is worth it. Changing from top tier to second tier graphics is very often sidegrading. Analogically switching from GTX480 to GTX570 would be way worse, the only advantage being less power consumption.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/511?vs=510

I have no argument with any of that, I own and am pretty happy with an XFX 6950 2GB (stock). It's just a disappointing generation other than the CF gains. 4xxx to 5xxx was epic, and 6xxx to 7xxx looks great too (other than $$$, lol).
 

Mir96TA

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... 4xxx to 5xxx was epic, and 6xxx to 7xxx looks great too (other than $$$, lol).

5xxx was one of the best AMD GPU gens, and it was made even better by the 5850 not being fantastically expensive, and easy to OC.

6xxx was just incremental, there was zero reason for anyone with a 5xxx card to upgrade for the most part.

7xxx is a big upgrage, ..
..is psycho expensive.

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I wonder why 5XXX to 6XXXX was shuch a close difference ?
On other hand 4XXX to 5XXX was a substantial difference and it appears 6XXX to 7XXX is same way if not more ?
Did ATi (AMD) said lets make a Quick incremental step and they come up with Cayman ?
 

galaxy710

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6950 is essentially 2GB. They also introduced a cheaper 1GB variant later. But most 6950s are 2GB and the reference ones often unlock to 6970.
 

Mir96TA

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6950 is essentially 2GB. They also introduced a cheaper 1GB variant later. But most 6950s are 2GB and the reference ones often unlock to 6970.

Well I do not have a 2 Gig Ver and I have mine unlocked shadder ver
I guess I have really un common or rare GPU
 
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