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FerrelGeek

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The price we pay as a society in exchange for our liberties. Do you think we can stop this from ever happening again? How would we accomplish that?

I agree with you on this point. Now let's apply that line of reasoning the next time there's a mass shooting in the US.
 

dank69

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why do you only work in absolutes?

It doesn't have to be 'everyone', just 'substantial percentage'

I'm working with the absolute here because the high IQ poster I quoted specifically implied that you can identify Muslims by their country of origin as if it's some sort of fool-proof method.
 

tynopik

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I'd say try to be less of a dick, but I'm pretty sure you're dickless to begin with.

Country of origin, yea, that will work
So no muslims in canada or england or france
no wonder you're so enamored of drumpf

again we're working with odds and not absolutes

immigrants from Canada or England or France are less likely to be muslim than immigrants from Yemen or Iran or Saudi Arabia
 

woolfe9998

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I understand full well what Obama said and the context in which it was said....and it's complete horse shit. Those resisting Syrian immigration are not in any way "scared of widows and 3-years old orphans" as Obama asserts, the reality is that most want to be assured that we have effective vetting processes in place to assure that we don't inadvertently admit terrorists into the country. Is his hyperbolic rhetoric and blatantly dishonest framing of this issue really that hard to understand?

Then why did Christie state he is opposed to allowing "orphans under five years old" into the country? That is the context of Obama's remark. If you're going to take a position that irrational, you open yourself up to the kind of mocking response we saw from Obama. I'd expect nothing less from the right if Obama took a position that ridiculous.
 
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tynopik

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I'm working with the absolute here because the high IQ poster I quoted specifically implied that you can identify Muslims by their country of origin as if it's some sort of fool-proof method.

no, they didn't say anything of the sort

only your bias caused you to interpret it that way
 

FerrelGeek

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It goes back to the beginning of Islam. Don't blame the Crusades.

It's still not Islam in general, more the radical side of it of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQHBpIG6fcE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kae-nng77yE

The indoctrination in the ME, that Daesh was born from, has been going on a long time of course.

It goes back to to the Crusades, at least.

The only thing that has changed is the way attacks are carried out, and the radical extremists of many populations being mixed and interacting globally in many countries.
 

dank69

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no, just that we shouldn't enforce those laws because

a) they make no difference
They never said the current laws make no difference. They are saying stricter laws probably would not be effective.


b) it's too hard
Some things are "too hard" to implement. You can't hand-wave away the logistics necessary, not to mention all the freedoms that would need to be trampled. You a big fan of the TSA?
 

dank69

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I'm working with the absolute here because the high IQ poster I quoted specifically implied that you can identify Muslims by their country of origin as if it's some sort of fool-proof method.
no, they didn't say anything of the sort

only your bias caused you to interpret it that way
orly?

because nobody would ever lie about their religious affiliations, and you can ID muslims by their skin tone or accent, right?
Country of origin, try to keep up
 

tynopik

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They never said the current laws make no difference. They are saying stricter laws probably would not be effective.

Stricter laws would not be effective because they won't be enforced, just like existing ones.

Some things are "too hard" to implement. You can't hand-wave away the logistics necessary, not to mention all the freedoms that would need to be trampled. You a big fan of the TSA?

what freedoms need to be 'trampled' to have better border control?
 

dank69

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Stricter laws would not be effective because they won't be enforced, just like existing ones.



what freedoms need to be 'trampled' to have better border control?

Well if we are talking about restricting access to Muslims, freedom of religion for starters.
 

tynopik

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Well if we are talking about restricting access to Muslims, freedom of religion for starters.

1. Doesn't apply to people who aren't in the country
2. It's not based on religion, it's based on country of origin
 

dank69

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where did it say '100% effective'?

Everyone realizes you can't block them all, but you can certainly cut the flow substantially.

He said you can identify Muslims by their country of origin. If there is a single Syrian Christian, his statement is false because you would need more than just their country of origin. Understand now?
 

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Is there any information on how they got the explosives through security and if there's any update in security protocol that could reduce the risk of this happening again?
 

dank69

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1. Doesn't apply to people who aren't in the country
2. It's not based on religion, it's based on country of origin

The Constitution doesn't protect them, but the concept certainly applies to them. All men are created equal, right?
 
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Is there any information on how they got the explosives through security and if there's any update in security protocol that could reduce the risk of this happening again?
AFAIK, it was on the departure level near the ticketing counters. That area generally falls outside the security perimeter.
 
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Then why did Christie state he is opposed to allowing "orphans under five years old" into the country? That is the context of Obama's remark. If you're going to take a position that irrational, you open yourself up to the kind of response we saw from Obama. I'd expect nothing less from the right if Obama took a position that ridiculous.
At that time about 1/2 of the governors in this country were expressing serious concerns regarding the issue of Syrian refugees. Obviously Christie's off-hand comment was stupid, but it certainly doesn't speak for all the governors concerned about our vetting process. And for Obama to dishonestly characterize the concerns expressed by these governors (as well as the general public) with such a condescending anecdotal is dishonest, divisive, and combative. He's one of the worst presidents ever imo.
 

dank69

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At that time about 1/2 of the governors in this country were expressing serious concerns regarding the issue of Syrian refugees. Obviously Christie's off-hand comment was stupid, but it certainly doesn't speak for all the governors concerned about our vetting process. And for Obama to dishonestly characterize the concerns expressed by these governors (as well as the general public) with such a condescending anecdotal is dishonest, divisive, and combative. He's one of the worst presidents ever imo.

LOL. Said something condescending -> worst President evar
 

Exophase

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AFAIK, it was on the departure level near the ticketing counters. That area generally falls outside the security perimeter.

I see. Thank you.

I guess if people are willing to die for this it's hard to stop them from making explosives and taking out other people in the process. You can mostly secure some places, but only a small minority of them. Outside of the security perimeter of the airport had may as well be any other building where anyone can gather.
 

tynopik

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He said you can identify Muslims by their country of origin. If there is a single Syrian Christian, his statement is false because you would need more than just their country of origin. Understand now?

I understand you're trying to make a ridiculous straw man
 

Brian Stirling

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Best get a new energy supply going.


Well it would be a great idea to be more aggressive in developing and pursuing alternate energy to both supplement current sources as well as move to less polluting methods. Sadly, the right has to fight any and all alternate energy because liberal...

It would be nice to have 100% domestic energy sources with a growing base of clean energy so we could wave goodbye and let the ME kill themselves off. It's a horrible thing to say but when you are raised in a region where you are taught from an infant that women are merely vessels to produce more Muslims and that it's OK, even good, even requited, to kill non Muslims it should hardly be surprising that some of them take those teachings to heart.

We live in an increasingly fucked up world!


Brian
 
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