F$#@King smokers!

[Gaard]

<<And, like I said before, most smokers are courteous. Most of them will congregate away from entrances and windows because they know that people don't like it. It's the few that are dicks about it. Don't stereotype smokers, and I won't stereotype non smokers

nik>>


And you know this because you took a survey or something?

 

[Aceman]

austonia,
Once again you are completely sidestepping the arguement completely.

A) Did I say that I speed with or without my children in the car?
B) A child has a greater chance of dying from speeding, probably about 1,000% greater chance,yet no one is going around outraged that the neighbor is going 45mph in a 30mph zone with his kids strapped into the front seat of the car. By God, they'll have a sh!tfit if he's got a cigarette dangling out of his mouth while racing off.
C) I live on a busy county road. My child has a probably 1,000% greater chance of getting hit by some fool speeding down that road as I back out of the driveway or him waiting for the bus to take him to school.
D) Many people live in houses that still have lead paint in their home. They have a greater chance of getting brain damage from chewing on a window sill infested with lead paint than they do from secondhand smoke. (Is that possibly what happened to you as a child?) Both are controlable (sp?). Both can be eliminated. Yet, many people don't want to go through the expense of removing that lead paint from their home. I don't see a public outcry and preople screaming inconsiderate selfish parents when they don't remove lead paint from the home.

Start considering a bigger picture before casting stones at me.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Gaard
<<And, like I said before, most smokers are courteous. Most of them will congregate away from entrances and windows because they know that people don't like it. It's the few that are dicks about it. Don't stereotype smokers, and I won't stereotype non smokers

nik>>


And you know this because you took a survey or something?

Of course, DUH... most people know that I took a survey. The only people who don't know I took a survey are in another kind of minority.






























nik

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Aceman

Originally posted by: Mani
What the hell does the EPA have to gain from publishing info about secondhand smoke causing asthma? Do a search on secondhand smoke and asthma in google if you don't believe it, and you'll find literally HUNDREDs of sites saying the same thing. Or just go to just about any information site on asthma and it's almost certain that it will mention the link between smoke and asthma.

And the quote you posted doean't help you much. It says that secondhand smoke just triggers asthma attacks in a different way than dust mites, etc. but clearly states that it DOES trigger asthma attacks. Maybe your doctors believe his asthma is primarily from allergenic causes reasons, but you're just deluding yourself if you don't think your smoking contributes to it. It's amazing to me that there is a plethora of evidence saying that smoke is harmful to asthmatics and may even trigger it, yet you are so in denial that you reject all of it. I really feel sorry for your kid.

WRONG! Please start reading KEY WORDS in these reports.

Secondhand smoke MAY trigger asthma episodes and make asthma symptoms more severe in children who already have asthma.

You'll also see "MAY" in other unbiased reports. Shoot, you MAY get lung cancer and never come in contact with cigarette smoke. You MAY become asthmatic without ever smelling cigarette smoke. You MAY get hit by a bus tomorrow. You MAY get bit by a mosquito and get West Nile Virus. I MAY never get cancer or any other possible smoking related problem. Now if I do get cancer, you WILL NOT have any pity on me and I WILL NOT want any pity from you.

Yes and standing in the middle of the interstate MAY get you run over.

 

[XCLAN]

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Non-smokers need to get a grip. You've already driven the smokers outside so that they don't pollute your immediate environment, what more do you want? A 10' x 10' fenced off area 500 feet from the door?

Puh-lease.

how bout a big plastic bubble...filled with toxins that you guyz breathe.....and maybe we cut down the medical care we spend on you guyz when ya turn 65 and spend 6 years goin to the hospital daily at zillions and zillions of dollars times a googleplex?

oh and while we are at it....we puunish that lady for hittin her kid...yet parents can drown kids and other adults into lung cancer with no punishment? and they get mad at us for sayin somethin?

 

[austonia]

"austonia,
Once again you are completely sidestepping the arguement completely.
A) Did I say that I speed with or without my children in the car?
B) A child has a greater chance of dying from speeding, probably about 1,000% greater chance,yet no one is going around outraged that the neighbor is going 45mph in a 30mph zone with his kids strapped into the front seat of the car. By God, they'll have a sh!tfit if he's got a cigarette dangling out of his mouth while racing off.
C) I live on a busy county road. My child has a probably 1,000% greater chance of getting hit by some fool speeding down that road as I back out of the driveway or him waiting for the bus to take him to school.
D) Many people live in houses that still have lead paint in their home. They have a greater chance of getting brain damage from chewing on a window sill infested with lead paint than they do from secondhand smoke. (Is that possibly what happened to you as a child?) Both are controlable (sp?). Both can be eliminated. Yet, many people don't want to go through the expense of removing that lead paint from their home. I don't see a public outcry and preople screaming inconsiderate selfish parents when they don't remove lead paint from the home.
Start considering a bigger picture before casting stones at me."


So your defense is : because you feel exposing your children to smoke is ~less dangerous then some other activities, that makes it OK. That kind of reasoning sooo wrong. Life IS about managing risks, which is why we wear seatbelts, and why we don't allow smoking in public places.

 

[XCLAN]

Originally posted by: austonia
"austonia,
Once again you are completely sidestepping the arguement completely.
A) Did I say that I speed with or without my children in the car?
B) A child has a greater chance of dying from speeding, probably about 1,000% greater chance,yet no one is going around outraged that the neighbor is going 45mph in a 30mph zone with his kids strapped into the front seat of the car. By God, they'll have a sh!tfit if he's got a cigarette dangling out of his mouth while racing off.
C) I live on a busy county road. My child has a probably 1,000% greater chance of getting hit by some fool speeding down that road as I back out of the driveway or him waiting for the bus to take him to school.
D) Many people live in houses that still have lead paint in their home. They have a greater chance of getting brain damage from chewing on a window sill infested with lead paint than they do from secondhand smoke. (Is that possibly what happened to you as a child?) Both are controlable (sp?). Both can be eliminated. Yet, many people don't want to go through the expense of removing that lead paint from their home. I don't see a public outcry and preople screaming inconsiderate selfish parents when they don't remove lead paint from the home.
Start considering a bigger picture before casting stones at me."


So your defense is : because you feel exposing your children to smoke is ~less dangerous then some other activities, that makes it OK. That kind of reasoning sooo wrong. Life IS about managing risks, which is why we wear seatbelts, and why we don't allow smoking in public places.

I dont much consider this a matter of managing risks...my two sisters and I were raised by 2 smoking parents...and 2 drinking parents...i do not need to describe how it affected my life...by goin into details....but it did. There is no point to smokin around childrean or others. It is unhealthy...you gain nothin from it...it makes others irritable. its nasty all together. BTW i dont speed with kids in the car.....this is another subject altogether. Its just plain and simple








NON SMOKERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SUCK ON YER TAR INFESTED NASTY AIR.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

NON SMOKERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SUCK ON YER TAR INFESTED NASTY AIR.

You are correct. In this case, you would go elsewhere or hold your breath as you pass through it should you *gasp* be put through such shocking and horrific torture.

Grow up, folks.

nik

 

[Aceman]

So your defense is : because you feel exposing your children to smoke is ~less dangerous then some other activities, that makes it OK. That kind of reasoning sooo wrong. Life IS about managing risks, which is why we wear seatbelts, and why we don't allow smoking in public places.

That reasoning is sooooo wrong only in YOUR OPINION. Many people don't wear seatbelts (and aren't require to by law.) We DO allow smoking in public places (Some places don't, some places do.) You are correct, life IS about managing risks. Maybe I should have chewed out the 270+lbs woman sitting next to me at the Twins game for pushing her eating problem on her kids. And that she's gonna die from her overeating and is not managing her risks correctly. I didn't. Not my place.

Gee, let's look at jobs and managing risks. I'm in the Army. I have a high risk job. I could come home in a body bag any day on my job. So I'm wrong for taking that risk to do a job I love and putting food on the table for my children and providing them with all other necessities in life? I suppose I'm selfish and should have gotten out once I got married and had children, in your perfect little world?

Once again open up your eyes and see the larger picture. My children and I may raise them any way I see fit as long as it is within the boundries of the law.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

First, the two categories I don't mind.
Non-smokers: Naturally I don't mind them. I'm one of 'em myself. We avoid smokers when we can, and if we can't, we deal with it nicely.
Smokers: Don't mind them either. They're polite, they don't smoke if someone asks them not to, they give nonsmokers a little extra "breathing room" (pun intended) around doorways, and they do obey the bylaws.

Now, the two that I do mind. The "extreme" versions of the above.
The rabid, holier-than-thou anti-smoker: The ones who just won't shut up and leave people to their own devices. Let them kill themselves if they want to. It's their problem. Geez. STFU already. I don't like smokers either, but I'm not going to drop dead if I walk through a small cloud to get into work. (Exception - those with acute asthma / breathing problems that actually will drop dead.)
The utter c0ckmonger pro-smoker: IMO, the worst of them all. They believe it's their right to smoke anywhere, anytime, and don't care who else it affects.

Personal experience here with one of them. I was watching over my younger sister (9 at the time) and brother (4) during the afternoon. Knock at the door. I go there, little brother tagging along. It's the Standard Punk Highschooler with a butt in his mouth looking for donations for some school event. A dance, I think. Sorry dude, nobody here goes to high school. And would you mind not blowing smoke at me and my brother here? What's that? You're going to be a dick and tell me to "chill the f*** down" - in front of my four-year-old brother? No, I think you'd better watch your mouth in front of the little guy, Junior. Oh, now you're going to blow smoke in my face. Uncool. You've got five seconds to get the hell off my property. So you blow smoke in my little brother's face. That's it. You just crossed the line. A second later, he's literally sailing off my front porch from a spinning hook to the chest, and I'm stepping outside for more. Punk Highschooler limps off in a hurry.

Never heard anything more from that.

- M4H

 

[rh71]

Nik, you're no fun to argue with... you don't get pissed like Aceman does. BTW, I'd like to see the results of that survey with numbers. Judging from the population here at my office, 90% of them ARE inconsiderate when they smoke.

Aceman, so do you agree with what I've been saying now or are you purposely ignoring it?

 

[Red Dawn]

NON SMOKERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SUCK ON YER TAR INFESTED NASTY AIR.

No but those that snivel and whine can suck my Dogs ass.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: rh71
Nik, you're no fun to argue with... you don't get pissed like Aceman does. BTW, I'd like to see the results of that survey with numbers. Judging from the population here at my office, 90% of them ARE inconsiderate when they smoke.

Aceman, so do you agree with what I've been saying now or are you purposely ignoring it?

Oh, I do get pissed. Trust me (and anyone else who's seen me in a real arguement), I get pissed probably more than anyone on here. And, no, you can't see my survey; it was, uh... government funded, so it's now, uh... TopSecret. Yeah, that's it, TopSecret.

The whole reason I'm taking this so lightheartedly is that all the anti-smokers are so demanding. They've seem to come to own the outside and think that even if you're outside, they still deserve more and have more rights or different rights than people who smoke. It's just funny to sit back and laugh at the fscktards.

nik

 

[jeremy806]

Non-smokers need to get a grip. If you do not like the smokers huddled around the outside of a building, do not go in it. If it is your favorite restaurant, find a new favorite one. If it is your job, you better get a new one. There are plenty of places that are smoke free -- go there.

The last thing that any of us needs is government regulation of smoking habits.

As far as bars and restaurants, let the owners decide what goes on in their restaurant. As far as employers, let an employer decide what his/her employees can do at work. It is not the governemnt's job to regulate daily behavior.

And no, I am not a smoker, I just get tired of seeing groups of persons in the minority get picked on by laws enacted by the majority.

jeremy806

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

NON SMOKERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SUCK ON YER TAR INFESTED NASTY AIR.

No but those that snivel and whine can suck my Dogs ass.

You have pets!?


...that SURVIVED??? :Q :Q :Q




nik

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: jeremy806
Non-smokers need to get a grip. If you do not like the smokers huddled around the outside of a building, do not go in it.

That would be pretty hard to do if you worked there. But, still, nice to see a non-smoker with some common sense.

nik

 

[Red Dawn]

You have pets!?


...that SURVIVED???

Yeah in fact I have a chubby little mutt I call ffmcobalt because all he does all day is lay around licking himself!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: jeremy806
Non-smokers need to get a grip. If you do not like the smokers huddled around the outside of a building, do not go in it. If it is your favorite restaurant, find a new favorite one. If it is your job, you better get a new one. There are plenty of places that are smoke free -- go there.

Now you're starting to slip into the fourth group, but you're a nonsmoker. "Find a new favourite restaurant" "Find a new job" ... right, great plans. I'm sure the boss would love to hear "Well, I couldn't come in today because of the smokers" ... and your fiancee would love to hear "Oh, we're not going to go back to the restaurant that I proposed to you in like I promised, let's just totally change our plans"

Another display of stunning brilliance.

- M4H

 

[Aceman]

Aceman, so do you agree with what I've been saying now or are you purposely ignoring it?

Naw, you're just to dry of a read for me.

Actually, I group you in with the holier than thou nonsmoker. It may be inconsiderate, but I am quite amused by most of your types that complain and whine that they have to walk through a cloud of smoke. You nonsmokers created this problem when you tried to solve the problem of people smoking in a cubical next to you. You WON'T be able to ban some things. Instead you concentrated smoking to another part of your world. Ask me not to smoke in front of you in a bar where smoking is permitted in the entire establishment and I'll laugh and then ignore you. Ask me to put out my cigarette in a restaurant where I'm seated in the smoking section. Same thing, I'll laugh. Come to my house and ask me to please stop smoking and I'll show you the door. Come out to the back door smoking area at my work and ask me to stop smoking and I'll tell you that it's not my problem. And at my job where I spend a good amount of time in the field (outside) and I'm instructing or explaining a tak or a mission, I have a cigarette dangling out of my mouth, ask me to put it out and I'll tell you, "STFU, your in my world now." Ask me to put out my cigarette in a smoking permitted area/event/etc because my children are present and you'll be introduced to my left fist.

Ask me to please move away from the enterance of a building where it says no smoking and I'll apologize for not seeing the sign and I'll move to the designated smoking area or away from the designated nonsmoking area.

Your rights end where mine begin!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Ask you to put out your smoke because my children / younger siblings are present ... ?

- M4H

 

[Red Dawn]

Smoking outside is fine. Here in Ca it's against thew law to smoke in a Bar or Resturaunt. At first Smokers complained but after a few months they got use to it

 

[Aceman]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Ask you to put out your smoke because my children / younger siblings are present ... ?

- M4H

If it's in a public place, say a baseball park, and I'm in a designated area to smoke, and you ask me to put it out because of your children and you provoke the situation............you'll still meet my left fist. Your children's rights end where my rights begin.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

You have pets!?


...that SURVIVED???

Yeah in fact I have a chubby little mutt I call ffmcobalt because all he does all day is lay around licking himself!

If only I could reach !!



nik

 

[Aceman]

If only I could reach !!

Penthouse did research and found that 1 out of 10 men could reach. I really don't care to ever meet the particpants of that survey.

 

[ToBeMe]

Here's a tid bit that happened recently where I live that pertains to this topic.................................

A very popular restaurant/nightclub/bar was sold about 1 1/2 years ago. The new owners decided to try something new in both areas of the building, there would be no smoking allowed anywhere in the building! They worked over the whole building and had it looking better than it had for years. Upon opening the new "rule" was posted everywhere inside but still many people asked for an ash tray, or for the "smoking area" when coming into the restaurant. They were informed of the new "rule" but most stayed to try the food there anyway.

The bar side was a different story............people would enter, pay the cover and many times get drinks somehow without noticing the signs stating there was no smoking and hords of people simply "lit up" without thinking twice. they were politely asked to put it out because this was a "smoke free" business. Most simply left. No matter what bands or entertainment these people would get in there and no matter how good the food was.....................business was not good to begin with and simply got worse very quickly.

Fast forward 9 months......................these new owners came here with some pretty deep pockets but after nearly a year spending enormous amounts of money renovating the place..................they were losing money every day they were open. They finally went to being open only on Friday/Saturday/Sunday but still could not get the crowds. Finally, in a last ditch effort, they caved and allowed smoking in the bar/nightclub area.............................same people, same business, same name, and same entertainment..........................but their fortunes quickly changed, and changed radically.................after just a few weeks they actually had to turn away people because there was no room to even stand and as you know, fire codes also limit the numbers for safetey reasons. They figured this was simply because most had never bothered to visit because of the no smoking rule......................well, it kept on that way and eventually they moved a portion of the restaurant to be a "smoking section" also. This place is now by far the busiest around again and why??? Because of smoking!

I too am a "non-smoker" and know the owners quite well............yes, I enjoyed it when there was no smoke smell in any area of the building, but, as my friend Steve says, it's just not worth it to go bankrupt over banning smoking. To me the turn around was actually quite astonishing.......I had no idea the number of smokers there were/are anymore.................I guess though when it comes down to your livelyhood you have to do whatever it takes to please the people whom patronize you...........................BTW....the business is in a historical/toruist part of Missouri named Hermann, and the place in question is Simons on the Waterfront........................................