Fantasy Baseball trade question

[slayer202]

I play in a league with friends, it's been running for 2 or 3 years. Straight to the point, each team has 2 keepers per year. There is no limit to how many years you can keep players, or anything like that.

There was a stacked team last year, he had braun, longoria, pujols, carlos gonzalez, among some others. So we're getting close to draft time and we need to pick out keepers. This guy decided to keep braun and longoria, and trade pujols for draft picks! huh, wtf, what??? yes, him and another member apparently didn't see anything wrong with that and agreed on that trade.

My argument is that it gives that one team, essentially, 3 keepers. What do you guys think

edit: forgot to mention, not sure if it matters, but the guy getting pujols would be using him as one of his 2 "keepers"

 

[soulcougher73]

Im not sure im following. You can trade last years players before you select keepers and the new season starts? That doesnt seem right.

 

[slayer202]

Im not sure im following. You can trade last years players before you select keepers and the new season starts? That doesnt seem right.

well that's what my argument is, trying to get more opinions

 

[soulcougher73]

well that's what my argument is, trying to get more opinions

Seems wrong to me. Once the season ends and before the next season/draft start you choose your keepers (2 in this case) and everyone else goes into the draft pool to be drafted. At least that is how ive always seen or heard of it being done. But trading for keepers before the new season seems odd.

 

[gleong]

Yea I don't see a problem if he traded one or both of his two keepers for draft picks, but to trade one player and still have two keepers is not right.

 

[TheNinja]

It depends how realistic you want to make your league. I don't think you should be able to trade a "keeper" pick permanently. I don't like the rule that you can keep someone year after year either with no limit. So basically in year 1 if you were lucky enough to draft Pujols you just keep him every stinking year and nobody else can draft him...but whatever, that's not horrible, just part of the rules.

I'm a little confused as to what's going on though. They are trying to "trade" players and picks after the season? I don't see a problem with people trading players for draft picks.

 

[soulcougher73]

It depends how realistic you want to make your league. I don't think you should be able to trade a "keeper" pick permanently. I don't like the rule that you can keep someone year after year either with no limit. So basically in year 1 if you were lucky enough to draft Pujols you just keep him every stinking year and nobody else can draft him...but whatever, that's not horrible, just part of the rules.

I'm a little confused as to what's going on though. They are trying to "trade" players and picks after the season? I don't see a problem with people trading players for draft picks.

Im fine with people keeping "keepers" for as long as they want. To me its more realistic to actual baseball. The Cards would probably never trade Pujols outside of his free agency. They would want to keep him as long as they can or as long as he continues to produce.

But yeah im not really following what the OPs situation is. But it seems odd.

 

[slayer202]

I'm not really sure what's confusing you guys. there is a team with more than 2 awesome players. he can't keep more than 2, so he wants to trade one of the extra guys got better draft picks, 3rd and 4th rounder, something like that. His argument is that before the keeper picks are made, he still owns his whole roster. I argue that he doesn't and can only own 2 of those players. So trading one and keeping two would basically be keeping 3 players

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm not really sure what's confusing you guys. there is a team with more than 2 awesome players. he can't keep more than 2, so he wants to trade one of the extra guys got better draft picks, 3rd and 4th rounder, something like that. His argument is that before the keeper picks are made, he still owns his whole roster. I argue that he doesn't and can only own 2 of those players. So trading one and keeping two would basically be keeping 3 players

Ive never seen it done that way, but it doesnt seem out of the question. I mean if someone else wants to lose a draft pick in order to trade for a player that he will use as a keeper i guess that is ok. I usually do online drafts were i dont think you have the flexibility to trade draft picks like in real life.

 

[TheNinja]

That's a tough call. I guess it really depends on when you are saying 1 season ends and the next starts. If they would have traded on the last day of last season, then it would have been totally allowed. I do see his point about "owning" his entire team. If you have a drop dead date of say March 5 to make your keeper selections, technically he does own his whole team b/c he hasn't made his keeper selections.

I don't think he really gets 3 keepers. He is trading Pujols for someone else's draft pick. This happens in real life with teams a lot. I think it adds to the realness of it. Each team still keeps 2 players, however team1 (who traded Pujols) just gets team2's (who received Pujols) # round draft pick(s) whatever they agreed to.

 

[AMDZen]

You are right, they are wrong.

He is gaining unfair advantage on rules that don't exist.

Keeper league rules can vary, but if its 2 players he keeps 2 players and thats it. He can keep Pujols as one of his and trade him, thats fine. He can't keep 2 and trade another because thats keeping 3.

 

[D1gger]

In future, to make sure this doesn't become an issue again, you need to set a trade deadline, perhaps the end of the regular season, and then set a date sometime after the playoffs to declare your 2 keepers.

 

[chorb]

Dick move, there is a definite unfair advantage. You must pick your keepers before you can trade anyone.

Veto that shit.

 

[TheNinja]

You are right, they are wrong.

He is gaining unfair advantage on rules that don't exist.

Keeper league rules can vary, but if its 2 players he keeps 2 players and thats it. He can keep Pujols as one of his and trade him, thats fine. He can't keep 2 and trade another because thats keeping 3.

I see where you are coming from now and I agree. He cannot trade Pujols for draft picks this year unless Pujols is one of his keepers. If he wants to declare Pujols has a keeper and then trade for say the round 1 and round 5 picks of team2 I don't think that's a problem as I like the idea of being able to trade a keeper for draft picks. But then he only gets to keep 1 other guy.

Now it can get really tricky b/c these guys could do shady stuff at the end of the year, like trade Pujols on the last day of the season with a "gentlemen's agreement" that team2 would draft a person for team1 in whatever round they decide.

As D1gger says, you need to implement deadlines so people don't work the system. I would say trade deadline is like 2-3 weeks before end of season. Declare keepers maybe 1 month before new season starts. Of couse like I said before, people can still make their own agreements offline, but setting those rules in place will help in the future.

 

[AMDZen]

In future, to make sure this doesn't become an issue again, you need to set a trade deadline, perhaps the end of the regular season, and then set a date sometime after the playoffs to declare your 2 keepers.

I guarantee they have a trade deadline already. But just like in real life, I assume he is arguing that the deadline goes away at seasons end until whenever free agency ends, which means trades could be made again. "Like in Real life"

That is bullshit and taking unfair advantage. If the other people in your fantasy group don't agree and veto that shit, that would not be a fantasy league I'd want to play in.

 

[AMDZen]

I see where you are coming from now and I agree. He cannot trade Pujols for draft picks this year unless Pujols is one of his keepers. If he wants to keep Pujols and trade for say the round 1 and round 5 picks of team2 I don't think that's a problem as I like the idea of being able to trade a keeper for draft picks.

Now it can get really tricky b/c these guys could do shady stuff at the end of the year, like trade Pujols on the last day of the season with a "gentlemen's agreement" that team2 would draft a person for team1 in whatever round they decide.

As D1gger says, you need to implement deadlines so people don't work the system. I would say trade deadline is like 2-3 weeks before end of season. Declare keepers maybe 1 month before new season starts. Of couse like I said before, people can still make their own agreements offline, but setting those rules in place will help in the future.

How do you not have a deadline? Every fantasy league for any fantasy sport I've ever seen has one. So yea I guess you need to get with the times man.

If these dudes are shady then why do you want to play with them?

 

[chorb]

is this a money league? Or just a friendly league?

 

[slayer202]

is this a money league? Or just a friendly league?

both?

and wow, I didn't even think about the trade deadline! genius!

well, idk, i suppose you can argue it's the offseason so trades are ok? how do professional sports work?

 

[chorb]

professional teams dont have trade regulations in the off season, but keep in mind they dont have a draft an entirely new team either.

they way I see it is that in Fantasy Sports your team is dissolved right after the end of the season. At the begining of the next season you have the rights to keep 2 players from your previous season (if you play that way) but are not allowed to trade other players than those 2 you kept.

 

[Whisper]

professional teams dont have trade regulations in the off season, but keep in mind they dont have a draft an entirely new team either.

they way I see it is that in Fantasy Sports your team is dissolved right after the end of the season. At the begining of the next season you have the rights to keep 2 players from your previous season (if you play that way) but are not allowed to trade other players than those 2 you kept.

That would be my take as well. If Pujols isn't one of his two keepers, then Pujols stopped being on his team the moment your league's fantasy season ended last year.

 

[BudAshes]

My keeper league lets you do this. But in my league you also lose the pick of the keeper in the round he originally picked. So he would get pujols but lose his first round pick(assuming pujols was originally a first round pick).

 

[mugs]

My take on it is that he loses the rights to all of his non-keepers on the last day of the season, even if you don't actually have to declare your keepers until later. What he's doing is contrary to the purpose of the keeper limit - he's getting an advantage in a future season from a non-keeper. He could have gotten that same advantage by trading during the previous season, but he would have had to hurt his team by making the trade before the trade deadline.