Feminism destroyed the family.

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Jaskalas

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That and the fact that with smaller families and modern conveniences, both parents can work and still maintain a family and a household. I still think it's better to have one parent at home, but it's no longer necessary. And as we moved from a mostly agrarian society to a more industrialized society, there were more jobs women could do and fewer chores that women had to do.

Makes it easier to slide into bad parenting though if one is not entirely focused on the children. Ease of information in the modern age may eventually make up for it, but we've a long ways to go.
 

werepossum

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We could call it the "Smoker, Joker, and Midnight Toker" subforum


WTF do people mean when they say the family's been destroyed?
Honestly, they mean it's changed from the idealization they fondly remember. That idealization was never the reality for everyone, of course. My great-grandfather died when my grandfather was twelve; he was the oldest of twelve children. My great-grandmother (who had never worked outside the home and fields, having been married at fourteen) went to work as a washerwoman, taking in laundry; my grandfather had to drop out of school (not uncommon for a twelve-year old back then) and go to work.

Feminism means freedom, to work or to be a housewife as you wish.
 

werepossum

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Makes it easier to slide into bad parenting though if one is not entirely focused on the children. Ease of information in the modern age may eventually make up for it, but we've a long ways to go.
This is true.
 

WHAMPOM

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OP, I bet you also wish slavery was back, less unemployment for black people, amrite?

You are probably some old fart talking about "good ol days". Too bad, the world is changing, and when your generation passes away, nobody will give a shit what you said.

Or a young buck just kicked out of the compound so the elders can have a few less excess males hanging around the future wives.
 
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Women have always been an equal part of the the "workforce". Only a fool would ignore the intrinsic value in keeping a home and raising children. Until recently (the last 20-30 years) this allowed the man to work outside the home and provide financial means with a single income. Today most women end up doing their best to work inside and outside the home and the strain has a negative impact on the family.

Western culture is a victim of it's own success. Not a mass conspiracy by "global bankers". Commercialism, materialism and the emergence of a disposable society have destroyed the family. We are victims of our own selfish wants and desires; driven by mass media bombardment that tells us we can and should have it "all" right now without working to earn it or appreciating what we already have.

You have described the issue very good. :thumbsup:
 

Dr. Zaus

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Honestly I think that's partly a symptom of the quality of people, which may have declined. Previously the stigma of divorce made people get over it and work their way through it.

The stigma/disincentive surrounding divorce was much greater when it was almost always clear the man was the cause of the divorce and it was almost always a major determent to the woman to be divorced.

This is why a free and independent woman has reduced the stability of the american family. But the trade off of doubling the value of our productive force, freeing the creative minds that were previously limited to teaching and nursing and allowing people that are being abused to take care of themselves are all well worth the trade. Freedom comes at the expense of the social order.
 

GoPackGo

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The stigma/disincentive surrounding divorce was much greater when it was almost always clear the man was the cause of the divorce and it was almost always a major determent to the woman to be divorced.

This is why a free and independent woman has reduced the stability of the american family. But the trade off of doubling the value of our productive force, freeing the creative minds that were previously limited to teaching and nursing and allowing people that are being abused to take care of themselves are all well worth the trade. Freedom comes at the expense of the social order.

Actually I think the value of the work force on a per capita basis has greatly decline. As has been stated over and over in the past single income family's have become more rare and many times single parents have to work more than one job.
 

nanette1985

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Thank you-all for the ATLR update that women are the cause of everything bad in today's world. I like to keep up with who is being blamed for what.
 

shortylickens

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Thank you-all for the ATLR update that women are the cause of everything bad in today's world. I like to keep up with who is being blamed for what.

You committed a couple logical fallacies right there.

When women cry that men are the problem with everything that doesnt seem to cause much of a problem.
 
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The stigma/disincentive surrounding divorce was much greater when it was almost always clear the man was the cause of the divorce and it was almost always a major determent to the woman to be divorced.

hm, that's an interesting way of looking at it, though I don't quite follow. Why is that a determent to the woman getting divorced?
Could a woman file for a divorce back then?
 
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IronWing

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Imho, Feminism and the ERA were artificial creations designed to destroy family (values) and degrade women.
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Here is the entire text of the ERA. Which part puts your panties in a knot? Be specific, please.

Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.
 

piasabird

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We need a mandatory draft for women.

I think a requirment for Selective Service registration only for men is sexist.
 

IronWing

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We need a mandatory draft for women.

I think a requirment for Selective Service registration only for men is sexist.
I agree that registration for men only is sexist. I also beleive the whole selective service system is long overdue for abolition. It serves no purpose and is a waste of money.
 

1prophet

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Women have always been an equal part of the the "workforce". Only a fool would ignore the intrinsic value in keeping a home and raising children. Until recently (the last 20-30 years) this allowed the man to work outside the home and provide financial means with a single income. Today most women end up doing their best to work inside and outside the home and the strain has a negative impact on the family.

Western culture is a victim of it's own success. Not a mass conspiracy by "global bankers". Commercialism, materialism and the emergence of a disposable society have destroyed the family. We are victims of our own selfish wants and desires; driven by mass media bombardment that tells us we can and should have it "all" right now without working to earn it or appreciating what we already have.

Everything you say is true except the conspiracy part,

Paul Mazer, a Wall Street banker working for Lehman Brothers in the 1930s, is cited as declaring "We must shift America from a needs- to a desires-culture. People must be trained to desire, to want new things, even before the old have been entirely consumed. [...] Man's desires must overshadow his needs."
And Edward Bernays showed the world how

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9167657690296627941
 

Munky

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Feminism will eventually collapse after it has dismantled the same social system which it used as a standing platform.
 
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crashtestdummy

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They mean that there is a lot of divorce.

If that is the definition, then the American family isn't in decline. Divorce has been going down for the past 30 years (see Figure 1). There was a spike in divorce between 1960 and 1980 because of the advent of no-fault divorces. Before that, most states didn't allow a divorce unless someone had committed adultery, be abusive, or the like. There was a huge backlog of unhappy marriages that were then dissolved with the easier laws. That you could possibly blame on feminism (though I think it's a good thing).

Divorce has been falling steadily since then, though, both due to the depletion of that reservoir of unhappy marriages as well as the fact that people are waiting longer to get married, and thus more likely to get married to someone they're willing to spend their lives with. The causes of this are myriad (birth control, unmarried cohabitation, labor-saving devices, women in the workplace, etc.), but the end result is that the standard by which someone is willing to get married in the first place has been raised. I view this as a wonderful product of feminism.
 

Murloc

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Nazis destroyed the family!
>implying nazis would have gotten any attention from the population if the french didn't decide to make them pay dearly the first world war (which definitely had no good or bad guys, it was all about world power).
>implying it's not the English and French's fault for imposing strong rules and then not enforcing them while they still could, prefering to pursue an appeasement policy, by basically being pussies.

typical french stereotype: be as arrogant as possible when you're strong, then get defeated/surrender through cowardly, let the hate and revanchism boil with low fire until you can be arrogant again.
It's bad but it's true.

Basically the French destroyed the family thorugh the nazis. But here's the catch: they destroyed only the american families, in France they avoided the problem with proper family promotion.

Disclaimer: what might sounds slightly offensive towards the French is just friendly humour, I love France and the French and would pick them over the US any time.
Disclaimer of the disclaimer: this preference is due only to the lower % of bible-thumpers and warmongers in France, I like some americans.
 
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