Few border-crossers are prosecuted

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http://www.modbee.com/24hour/nation/story/3593509p-12861812c.html

"By ALICIA A. CALDWELL -- Associated Press Writer


Last Updated: April 6, 2007, 07:02:07 PM PDT



EL PASO, Texas (AP) For all the tough talk out of Washington on immigration, illegal immigrants caught along the Mexican border have almost no reason to fear they will be prosecuted.
Ninety-eight percent of those arrested between Oct. 1, 2000, and Sept. 30, 2005, were never prosecuted for illegally entering the country, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal data. Nearly 5.3 million immigrants were simply escorted back across the Rio Grande and turned loose. Many presumably tried to slip into the U.S. again.

The number of immigrants prosecuted annually tripled during that five-year period, to 30,848 in fiscal year 2005, the most recent figures available. But that still represented less than 3 percent of the 1.17 million people arrested that year. The prosecution rate was just under 1 percent in 2001.

The likelihood of an illegal immigrant being prosecuted is "to me, practically zero," said Kathleen Walker, president-elect of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

Federal prosecutors along the nation's southern border have come under pressure from politicians and from top officials in the Justice Department to pursue more cases against illegal immigrants.

But few politicians are seriously suggesting the government prosecute everyone caught slipping across the border. With about 1 million immigrants stopped each year, that would overwhelm the nation's prisons, break the Justice Department's budget and paralyze the courts, immigration experts say.

The Justice Department itself says it has higher priorities and too few resources to go after every ordinary illegal immigrant. Instead, the department says it pursues more selective strategies, such as going after immigrant smugglers and immigrants with criminal records.

T.J. Bonner, the union chief for Border Patrol agents, said the most effective solution would be to dry up job opportunities in the U.S. by cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants.

"The employers are the ones breaking the law," he said, suggesting the creation of an "idiot-proof" system to check the immigration status of workers and the prosecution of any employers who knowingly hire those in this country illegally.

"It's much like our tax laws: People don't pay their taxes out of an overriding sense of citizenship; it's a healthy dose of fear," Bonner said.

Under federal law, illegally entering the country is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine and up to six months in prison for a first time. A second offense carries up to two years. If an immigrant has been prosecuted and deported and then sneaks back into the country, he can be charged with a felony punishable by up to two years behind bars. Those with criminal records can get 10 to 20 years.

The federal figures on arrests and prosecutions were collected and provided to the AP by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University in New York.

The number of illegal immigrants arrested at the border is dwarfed by the number who make it through. "For every person we catch, two or three get by us," Bonner said.

Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said in a statement that 30 federal prosecutors have been added to the Southwestern border to handle the rising number of immigration and border drug cases and noted that securing more prosecutions would require hiring more judges and public defenders and building more courtrooms and jails.

Authorities also note that illegal immigrants who make it past the border are not necessarily home free. In the past year, immigration officials have conducted numerous raids on workplaces.

Boyd noted that the Border Patrol can charge illegal immigrants with civil violations punishable by fines of $50 to $250. But Border Patrol officials said most Mexican immigrants are not sent before a judge to be fined.

"The majority are offered and granted ... voluntary removal back to Mexico," said Xavier Rios, an assistant chief Border Patrol agent in Washington. "We don't seek to prosecute everyone."

Boyd said the Justice Department pursues charges if a case involves human smugglers, if an immigrant has a felony record in the U.S., or if he has been deported before.

"When you consider the other high-priority laws that the department is charged with enforcing, such as drug trafficking, firearms offenses, violent crime, national security, child pornography, and corporate fraud, the department is achieving a balance of immigration enforcement with other important areas," Boyd said.

Last month an undated internal Justice Department memo released as part of the congressional investigation of the firings of eight U.S. attorneys revealed that in Texas, most illegal crossers have to be caught at least six times before their case will be forwarded to prosecutors.

Still, some border regions have decided to crack down.

Along the Border Patrol's 210-mile Del Rio sector in West Texas, any illegal immigrant arrested since 2006 is jailed and prosecuted, under a federal project called Operation Streamline. It was briefly repeated along a narrow stretch of border in New Mexico. And Maricopa County, Ariz., officials are using a state anti-smuggling law to prosecute both suspected smugglers and the immigrants who pay them.

Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, a former state judge, said that the prosecution rates amount to "dereliction of duty" and that the government should spend whatever it takes to lock up and deport every illegal immigrant.

"Prosecutors should not have the discretion to prosecute some people for violations of the law and not others, that's discriminatory," he said.

But Iliana Holguin, executive director of the El Paso Catholic Church's Diocesan Migrant and Refugee Services, said that would mean the government would have to "massively increase the size of the court system, or it is going to collapse on itself under its own weight."

Holguin suggested changing the immigration laws instead to make it easier for workers to enter the United States legally.

"It's not a light decision to come to the U.S. illegally," she said. "If there was a legal way to fill these labor shortages or reunite families, they would do it."

(Corrects number of immigrants not prosecuted to nearly 5.3 million instead of 5.2 million)"



Here in Kahleeforneeya, we feel the impact of the illegal invasion everywhere...they are NOT just here to take the "Jobs that Americans won't do", as is so often said...they want ANY job they can get...The local Safeway store's bakery manager was busted for being an illegal last year...and that was a pretty good paying job. I'm sure LOTS of Americans would take that job.
I worked construction for over 30 years...the illegals are everywhere in those trades as well. Just go to any large home building project here...and count the number of Mexicans on the job...odds are, half are illegals. Those carpenter jobs (non-union) pay in the neighborhood of $18-$20/hour, not exactly small change...certainly not the kinds of wages most Americans turn their noses up at...
 

babylon5

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America is so addicted to cheap labors, it's beyond recovery. Like a drug addict whose life is ruined.

Companies are used to pay dirt cheap salary now, if they can't, I expect they will do what Circuit City did, fire people who makes over
$15 an hour. First world country, Third World salary is the way of future.
 

Witling

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BoomerD, what a great idea. Incarcerate them. Put them up in conditions better than they came from at what, $10,000, $15,000 per head. Go for it!
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Witling
BoomerD, what a great idea. Incarcerate them. Put them up in conditions better than they came from at what, $10,000, $15,000 per head. Go for it!
Indeed, spend more taxpayer money building detention facilities, manpower to process them, feed them, clothe them......or not.

We already have a big enough foreign money pit in Iraq; no need to make another one prosecuting and detaining Mexicans.
 

BoomerD

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FWIW, I don't support locking up every illegal immigrant. I'm actually more in favor of locking up those who employ them...however, using the law agains them:
"Under federal law, illegally entering the country is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine and up to six months in prison for a first time. A second offense carries up to two years. If an immigrant has been prosecuted and deported and then sneaks back into the country, he can be charged with a felony punishable by up to two years behind bars. Those with criminal records can get 10 to 20 years. "
seems like a pretty good way to keep them out...if they get caught, they get to spend time in a hard-labor camp. After all, they come here to work, right? Let them work for the state or feds...for $.29/day...and feed them peanut butter sandwiches & milk for their meals. :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
FWIW, I don't support locking up every illegal immigrant. I'm actually more in favor of locking up those who employ them...however, using the law agains them:
"Under federal law, illegally entering the country is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine and up to six months in prison for a first time. A second offense carries up to two years. If an immigrant has been prosecuted and deported and then sneaks back into the country, he can be charged with a felony punishable by up to two years behind bars. Those with criminal records can get 10 to 20 years. "
seems like a pretty good way to keep them out...if they get caught, they get to spend time in a hard-labor camp. After all, they come here to work, right? Let them work for the state or feds...for $.29/day...and feed them peanut butter sandwiches & milk for their meals. :roll:

There are so many illegals in the US that what you propose would require a massive dragnet to even create a sense of deterrence. These people are already willing to risk life and limb to get into the country, a few weeks in a labor camp won't deter them that much more.

The law enforcement approach to illegal immigration is stupid. The problem is so big it would require a huge change in our nation's priorities just to fund this "war on immigrants." People will climb over walls or tunnel under walls, and disable any stupid automatic machine gun turrets our Rambo wannabe clowns advocate. Rather, a proactive approach of modifying current immigration policy is necessary, to accommodate the massive desire people have to work here, and the massive need for their cheap labor.

Additionally, the first priority should be to increase the number of visas for highly skilled workers. This year the quota for these immigrants filled up on the first day. By turning away highly skilled workers which the US can't seem to domestically produce, we are hurting US industry, and aiding foreign countries which will offer these people jobs. Republicans should be completely in favor of at least this measure, because they are the first to complain about government policies which hurt American companies, and whine whenever a country like China achieves some technological breakthrough, often with Chinese educated in the US who have been denied jobs here so they return home.
 

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Boomer, I'll be back after looking up a few things. As for JS80, JS, are you aware that there is a very significant about 13%. No wall there. The same report, to which I'll link, says "Building a wall won't help." Building a wall, like so many other "simple solutions," e.g., invade Iraq, ain't gonna do it.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8G6U2KO8&show_article=1

And ths link isn't to a flakey source like Fox News.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Witling
BoomerD, what a great idea. Incarcerate them. Put them up in conditions better than they came from at what, $10,000, $15,000 per head. Go for it!
Indeed, spend more taxpayer money building detention facilities, manpower to process them, feed them, clothe them......or not.

We already have a big enough foreign money pit in Iraq; no need to make another one prosecuting and detaining Mexicans.

As long as it's costing us so much to detain them for coming here uninvited we should put them to work building a border wall.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
FWIW, I don't support locking up every illegal immigrant. I'm actually more in favor of locking up those who employ them...however, using the law agains them:
"Under federal law, illegally entering the country is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine and up to six months in prison for a first time. A second offense carries up to two years. If an immigrant has been prosecuted and deported and then sneaks back into the country, he can be charged with a felony punishable by up to two years behind bars. Those with criminal records can get 10 to 20 years. "
seems like a pretty good way to keep them out...if they get caught, they get to spend time in a hard-labor camp. After all, they come here to work, right? Let them work for the state or feds...for $.29/day...and feed them peanut butter sandwiches & milk for their meals. :roll:

i must be confused, seems like thats a good way to keep them in.
 
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Originally posted by: babylon5
America is so addicted to cheap labors, it's beyond recovery. Like a drug addict whose life is ruined.

Companies are used to pay dirt cheap salary now, if they can't, I expect they will do what Circuit City did, fire people who makes over
$15 an hour. First world country, Third World salary is the way of future.

Which in turn means that the first world country will become a third world country...
 

Looney

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The Soviets were able to put up a pretty damn good wall pretty quickly in Germany after WWII. If the US really wanted to, they could do the same. But like has been said already, the US is already too addicted to cheap labor.
 
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