FINALLY!! Scion tC Preview(s)

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: isekii
where are the scion tc's built ?
i hope it's straight out of japan.

then you'll know the build quality is definitely there.

yup, Japan.

that's awesome
it should be built very solid.

Are you saying that foreign branded cars built domestically suck?

No i'm saying the cars built in japan are better.

Well, that's different I guess. I'm probably biased since I lived in a Nissan town for quite awhile.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Warranty: Three years/36,000 miles

thats a crappy warranty!

Isn't that the standard warranty for automobiles? I think some luxury car makers do 4 years. Kia/Hyundai/Isuzu did 10 years to get their sales up.

But your average car maker like Honda or Toyota is 3 years.

that is standard
but since hyundai's been offering the 10 year warranty everyone has been pretty much following them.
i would have no problems with the 3 year 36000 mile warranty for a toyota that's built in japan.

Everyone?? Like who?

The ONLY reason why Hyunda and Kia offered 10 year warranties was to get people to feel confident in buying what was essentially back then a piece of sh!t.

Isuzu followed suit in order to drive sales up (didn't help at all).

Chrysler has a 3 year warranty, 7-year powertrain.
GM and Ford are 3 years
Honda is 3 years
Nissan is 3 years
VW is 4 years

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Warranty: Three years/36,000 miles

thats a crappy warranty!

Isn't that the standard warranty for automobiles? I think some luxury car makers do 4 years. Kia/Hyundai/Isuzu did 10 years to get their sales up.

But your average car maker like Honda or Toyota is 3 years.

that is standard
but since hyundai's been offering the 10 year warranty everyone has been pretty much following them.
i would have no problems with the 3 year 36000 mile warranty for a toyota that's built in japan.

Everyone?? Like who?

The ONLY reason why Hyunda and Kia offered 10 year warranties was to get people to feel confident in buying what was essentially back then a piece of sh!t.

Isuzu followed suit in order to drive sales up (didn't help at all).

Chrysler has a 3 year warranty, 7-year powertrain.
GM and Ford are 3 years
Honda is 3 years
Nissan is 3 years
VW is 4 years

isn't suzuki 10 year ?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Warranty: Three years/36,000 miles

thats a crappy warranty!

Isn't that the standard warranty for automobiles? I think some luxury car makers do 4 years. Kia/Hyundai/Isuzu did 10 years to get their sales up.

But your average car maker like Honda or Toyota is 3 years.

that is standard
but since hyundai's been offering the 10 year warranty everyone has been pretty much following them.
i would have no problems with the 3 year 36000 mile warranty for a toyota that's built in japan.

Everyone?? Like who?

The ONLY reason why Hyunda and Kia offered 10 year warranties was to get people to feel confident in buying what was essentially back then a piece of sh!t.

Isuzu followed suit in order to drive sales up (didn't help at all).

Chrysler has a 3 year warranty, 7-year powertrain.
GM and Ford are 3 years
Honda is 3 years
Nissan is 3 years
VW is 4 years

isn't suzuki 10 year ?

3 years/7 year powertrain

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Warranty: Three years/36,000 miles

thats a crappy warranty!

Isn't that the standard warranty for automobiles? I think some luxury car makers do 4 years. Kia/Hyundai/Isuzu did 10 years to get their sales up.

But your average car maker like Honda or Toyota is 3 years.

that is standard
but since hyundai's been offering the 10 year warranty everyone has been pretty much following them.
i would have no problems with the 3 year 36000 mile warranty for a toyota that's built in japan.

Everyone?? Like who?

The ONLY reason why Hyunda and Kia offered 10 year warranties was to get people to feel confident in buying what was essentially back then a piece of sh!t.

Isuzu followed suit in order to drive sales up (didn't help at all).

Chrysler has a 3 year warranty, 7-year powertrain.
GM and Ford are 3 years
Honda is 3 years
Nissan is 3 years
VW is 4 years

isn't suzuki 10 year ?

Only if they NEED to be... which they probably do.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Warranty: Three years/36,000 miles

thats a crappy warranty!

Isn't that the standard warranty for automobiles? I think some luxury car makers do 4 years. Kia/Hyundai/Isuzu did 10 years to get their sales up.

But your average car maker like Honda or Toyota is 3 years.

that is standard
but since hyundai's been offering the 10 year warranty everyone has been pretty much following them.
i would have no problems with the 3 year 36000 mile warranty for a toyota that's built in japan.

Everyone?? Like who?

The ONLY reason why Hyunda and Kia offered 10 year warranties was to get people to feel confident in buying what was essentially back then a piece of sh!t.

Isuzu followed suit in order to drive sales up (didn't help at all).

Chrysler has a 3 year warranty, 7-year powertrain.
GM and Ford are 3 years
Honda is 3 years
Nissan is 3 years
VW is 4 years

isn't suzuki 10 year ?

3 years/7 year powertrain

hm.. ic They should only be selling motorcycles anyway

 

[RagingBITCH]

I can't say that I'm impressed with the MPG that thing gets - that's rather lousy for a car that size.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
I can't say that I'm impressed with the MPG that thing gets - that's rather lousy for a car that size.

Scion tC: 23/30
Mazda 3s: 25/32
Sentra SE-R: 23/28

 

[virtuamike]

A sub would sound awesome in that thing.

Stupid Accord.

 

[Jzero]

Looks really sharp, especially for the price....

 

[StageLeft]

It's decent, but the Mazda three has already come in with a competitively priced "high horsepower" econobox, so it's kind of like the tC is a bit late. Nothing really special now. The dealer upgrade thing is a total gimmick and not even worth praise in the least.

The scion name is, IMO, total sh1te, the reason being you can't tell somebody you "drive a scion" you have to say "I drive a scion xB" or xA or tC and they're like "WTF are you talking about?". What I'm getting at is in most other cars you have a model, and then variants to that model, but all variants are pretty much the same. A scion tC is totally unlike an xB - they should have given them distinct names.

BTW its milage isn't great, but it's bigger than it looks - at least in weight. It weights nearly 3000 lbs which is up in the range of an altima more than something like a sentra.

Warranty doesn't matter - it's generally only the crap brands like hyundai and kia that have long warranties, because they know that without them nobody will touch their cars.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's decent, but the Mazda three has already come in with a competitively priced "high horsepower" econobox, so it's kind of like the tC is a bit late. Nothing really special now. The dealer upgrade thing is a total gimmick and not even worth praise in the least.

The scion name is, IMO, total sh1te, the reason being you can't tell somebody you "drive a scion" you have to say "I drive a scion xB" or xA or tC and they're like "WTF are you talking about?". What I'm getting at is in most other cars you have a model, and then variants to that model, but all variants are pretty much the same. A scion tC is totally unlike an xB - they should have given them distinct names.

They MAKE you say Scion tC or Scion xB b/c it FORCES you to say the brand name to give it some recognition. If say you drive a Camry or an Altima, people know that they are Toyotas and Nissan's respectively. If you say you drive a TL or a 3, you almost HAVE to say that you drive an Acura TL or Mazda 3 which MAKES you emphasize the brand name. It's rather clever if you ask me

As for "competively" priced, price a Mazda 3s like a Scion tC comes STANDARD and you're looking at roughly $19,000

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's decent, but the Mazda three has already come in with a competitively priced "high horsepower" econobox, so it's kind of like the tC is a bit late. Nothing really special now. The dealer upgrade thing is a total gimmick and not even worth praise in the least.

Except that Mazda is too effing close to FORD to be comfortable. Too many bad Ford experiences in my lifetime, and that's enough to keep me away from Mazda, as much as I like the 5-door 3.

The scion name is, IMO, total sh1te, the reason being you can't tell somebody you "drive a scion" you have to say "I drive a scion xB" or xA or tC and they're like "WTF are you talking about?". What I'm getting at is in most other cars you have a model, and then variants to that model, but all variants are pretty much the same. A scion tC is totally unlike an xB - they should have given them distinct names.

It's just like most luxury makes are doing.
BMW gives you the 3 series, the 5 series, the 6 series, the 7 series, etc.
Mercedes has G-class, C-class, M-class, etc.

Scion has the x-class, the t-class. It seems equally arbitrary to me, and equally easy to follow. The x-class cars are more spacious "station wagon" type cars. The t-class looks to be a sportier coupe.

Scion isn't a model; it's a make.

 

[CtK]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Warranty: Three years/36,000 miles

thats a crappy warranty!

Isn't that the standard warranty for automobiles? I think some luxury car makers do 4 years. Kia/Hyundai/Isuzu did 10 years to get their sales up.

But your average car maker like Honda or Toyota is 3 years.

that is standard
but since hyundai's been offering the 10 year warranty everyone has been pretty much following them.
i would have no problems with the 3 year 36000 mile warranty for a toyota that's built in japan.

its 10 years on powertrain only, 5 year bumper to bumper

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's decent, but the Mazda three has already come in with a competitively priced "high horsepower" econobox, so it's kind of like the tC is a bit late. Nothing really special now. The dealer upgrade thing is a total gimmick and not even worth praise in the least.

The scion name is, IMO, total sh1te, the reason being you can't tell somebody you "drive a scion" you have to say "I drive a scion xB" or xA or tC and they're like "WTF are you talking about?". What I'm getting at is in most other cars you have a model, and then variants to that model, but all variants are pretty much the same. A scion tC is totally unlike an xB - they should have given them distinct names.

They MAKE you say Scion tC or Scion xB b/c it FORCES you to say the brand name to give it some recognition. If you say you drive a Camry or an Altima, people know that they are Toyotas and Nissan's respectively. If you say you drive a TL or a 3, you almost HAVE to say that you drive an Acura TL or Mazda 3 which MAKES you emphasize the brand name. It's rather clever if you ask me

As for "competively" priced, price a Mazda 3s like a Scion tC comes STANDARD and you're looking at rounghly $19,000-$19,500

Yes but if I say Mazda 3 or Acura TL or Nissan Maxima people know a) the brand and b) the car. Go ask people on the street who makes a Scion tC and you'll get blank stares, so now you're forced to say "Toyota Scion tC". People don't know who makes a scion! Heck, that's one of the reasons I didn't buy a sentra se-r spec v, because then I just tell people I drive a sentra

It's just like most luxury makes are doing.
BMW gives you the 3 series, the 5 series, the 6 series, the 7 series, etc.
Mercedes has G-class, C-class, M-class, etc.

No, it's not what they're doing. I mean granted a 330i is different from a 325i, but they're basically just different versions of the same car with different engine specs and/or accessories, but you can still say you drive a BMW 3-series, and though that could fall within a range, the range is fairly tight. A scion xB and tC are very different vehicles in both appearance and power. It's like Honda having the accord and the civic, but naming them the Honda Something A and the Honda Something B. You've got, to give any inclination or ball park of what you drive, give THREE defining characteristics...unless of course you say you drive a Toyota tC or an xB, which then makes the scion part a waste of time

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's decent, but the Mazda three has already come in with a competitively priced "high horsepower" econobox, so it's kind of like the tC is a bit late. Nothing really special now. The dealer upgrade thing is a total gimmick and not even worth praise in the least.

The scion name is, IMO, total sh1te, the reason being you can't tell somebody you "drive a scion" you have to say "I drive a scion xB" or xA or tC and they're like "WTF are you talking about?". What I'm getting at is in most other cars you have a model, and then variants to that model, but all variants are pretty much the same. A scion tC is totally unlike an xB - they should have given them distinct names.

They MAKE you say Scion tC or Scion xB b/c it FORCES you to say the brand name to give it some recognition. If you say you drive a Camry or an Altima, people know that they are Toyotas and Nissan's respectively. If you say you drive a TL or a 3, you almost HAVE to say that you drive an Acura TL or Mazda 3 which MAKES you emphasize the brand name. It's rather clever if you ask me

As for "competively" priced, price a Mazda 3s like a Scion tC comes STANDARD and you're looking at rounghly $19,000-$19,500

Yes but if I say Mazda 3 or Acura TL or Nissan Maxima people know a) the brand and b) the car. Go ask people on the street who makes a Scion tC and you'll get blank stares, so now you're forced to say "Toyota Scion tC". People don't know who makes a scion! Heck, that's one of the reasons I didn't buy a sentra se-r spec v, because then I just tell people I drive a sentra

It's just like most luxury makes are doing.
BMW gives you the 3 series, the 5 series, the 6 series, the 7 series, etc.
Mercedes has G-class, C-class, M-class, etc.

No, it's not what they're doing. I mean granted a 330i is different from a 325i, but they're basically just different versions of the same car with different engine specs and/or accessories, but you can still say you drive a BMW 3-series, and though that could fall within a range, the range is fairly tight. A scion xB and tC are very different vehicles in both appearance and power. It's like Honda having the accord and the civic, but naming them the Honda Something A and the Honda Something B. You've got, to give any inclination or ball park of what you drive, give THREE defining characteristics...unless of course you say you drive a Toyota tC or an xB, which then makes the scion part a waste of time

DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. It takes time to make a brand recognizable. Do you think that people had any idea what a Lexus or Infiniti was 15 years ago?

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
I can't say that I'm impressed with the MPG that thing gets - that's rather lousy for a car that size.

Scion tC: 23/30
Mazda 3s: 25/32
Sentra SE-R: 23/28

"that's rather lousy for a car that size"


lol, you are talking about the car size, not the engine size.... The engine is 160 hp 160 torque, as NFS4 pointed out, cars with similar sized engines (at least the Mazda 3s) gets similiar mileage.. (though ~10% better), or worse in the Sentra instance.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's decent, but the Mazda three has already come in with a competitively priced "high horsepower" econobox, so it's kind of like the tC is a bit late. Nothing really special now. The dealer upgrade thing is a total gimmick and not even worth praise in the least.

The scion name is, IMO, total sh1te, the reason being you can't tell somebody you "drive a scion" you have to say "I drive a scion xB" or xA or tC and they're like "WTF are you talking about?". What I'm getting at is in most other cars you have a model, and then variants to that model, but all variants are pretty much the same. A scion tC is totally unlike an xB - they should have given them distinct names.

They MAKE you say Scion tC or Scion xB b/c it FORCES you to say the brand name to give it some recognition. If say you drive a Camry or an Altima, people know that they are Toyotas and Nissan's respectively. If you say you drive a TL or a 3, you almost HAVE to say that you drive an Acura TL or Mazda 3 which MAKES you emphasize the brand name. It's rather clever if you ask me

As for "competively" priced, price a Mazda 3s like a Scion tC comes STANDARD and you're looking at roughly $19,000

Really? I know the hatchback with the same options as the Scion TC standard costs about $18k.... that and mazda is willing to drop right down to invoice (something I couldnt get to happen at Toyota).

Either way, if I had gone with the coupe, the scion (toyota) would have been tempting.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
No, it's not what they're doing. I mean granted a 330i is different from a 325i, but they're basically just different versions of the same car with different engine specs and/or accessories, but you can still say you drive a BMW 3-series, and though that could fall within a range, the range is fairly tight. A scion xB and tC are very different vehicles in both appearance and power. It's like Honda having the accord and the civic, but naming them the Honda Something A and the Honda Something B. You've got, to give any inclination or ball park of what you drive, give THREE defining characteristics...unless of course you say you drive a Toyota tC or an xB, which then makes the scion part a waste of time

It is EXACTLY what they are doing.
A 2 year old can spot the pattern here: xA xB tC
Two of those are 4-door hatchbacks with a good deal of cargo space.
One of those is a sporty-styled coupe.
Can you guess which is which?
Riiiight. Scions that start with x are larger, 4-door station wagons.
Scions that start with t are sportier coupes (although perhaps there will be t series sedans).
Kinda like Mercedes that start with G are big honkin SUVs and ones that start with SL are little convertible roadsters.

The only problem right now is that Scion is a new brand and not everyone has heard of it.
I'm only 25 but I remember a time when Saturn, Lexus and Infiniti were new names and no one knew what the heck they are. Give it time.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Eli

There are some interesting features, including front seats that fold down flat to create what one Scion official with a totally straight face described as a "conversational space." We're not sure there'd be much talking going on, but we only wish this were available when we were of an age to enjoy that feature.

BWAHAHAHA.....

Try selling that to the parents who will be paying for this car....I will love to see kids trying to explain exactly what the feature or use of that will be

and only 200hp with a turbo? no thanks

 

[StageLeft]

DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. It takes time to make a brand recognizable. Do you think that people had any idea what a Lexus or Infiniti was 15 years ago?

Again, point = missed

Oh wait a sec maybe I am missing hte point. I thought that the Scion was a toyota, but I guess if Scion IS the make (like infiniti is a make and acura is a make and lexass is a make), then scion/toyota/lexus are all the same company, as opposed to scion just being a toyota model.

Ok don't mind me. Carry on

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. It takes time to make a brand recognizable. Do you think that people had any idea what a Lexus or Infiniti was 15 years ago?

Again, point = missed

Oh wait a sec maybe I am missing hte point. I thought that the Scion was a toyota, but I guess if Scion IS the make (like infiniti is a make and acura is a make and lexass is a make), then scion/toyota/lexus are all the same company, as opposed to scion just being a toyota model.

Ok don't mind me. Carry on

Haha, you missed the point

Scion is to Toyota as Lexus is to Toyota.

Scion = low end
Lexus = high end

 

[StageLeft]

Yeah I am teh st0upid

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. It takes time to make a brand recognizable. Do you think that people had any idea what a Lexus or Infiniti was 15 years ago?

Again, point = missed

Oh wait a sec maybe I am missing hte point. I thought that the Scion was a toyota, but I guess if Scion IS the make (like infiniti is a make and acura is a make and lexass is a make), then scion/toyota/lexus are all the same company, as opposed to scion just being a toyota model.

Ok don't mind me. Carry on

LOL
That's exactly what I said! :troutslap;

Scion isn't a model; it's a make.

 

[Vette73]

This car and the Cobalt look to he running head to head if you compare them.

Teh Scion is toyotas new low end car that keeps their name up. While the Cobalt is GMs new line to attract buyers back and show off their new interior and engines.

I know the Cobalt will have a supercharger as a option, is that also still a go with the tC?


The Cobalt