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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Coffee increases cholesterol??
Experts have directed me differently. Example, when I started getting bloodwork done, coffee was not allowed during the fast. Now they say it’s cool. My total cholesterol was always so high that a 20 point change was negligible. As I inched closer to 200, I was looking for ways to get lower, as a lifelong addict of something or another, coffee had been with me for 25 years and I wanted to prove I could quit. Lo and behold, next bloodwork was even better. I’ve had two done sans coffee, both under 200. It’s seriously a daily struggle tho to abstain, shout out to my wife who gets to hear my daily belly aching about it

While my 2023 goal was to quit all recreational drug usage, I didn’t cut caffeine completely, I still use 1-2 green tea bags a day. But…I’m off the 25 year coffee dependency
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
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Experts have directed me differently. Example, when I started getting bloodwork done, coffee was not allowed during the fast. Now they say it’s cool. My total cholesterol was always so high that a 20 point change was negligible. As I inched closer to 200, I was looking for ways to get lower, as a lifelong addict of something or another, coffee had been with me for 25 years and I wanted to prove I could quit. Lo and behold, next bloodwork was even better. I’ve had two done sans coffee, both under 200. It’s seriously a daily struggle tho to abstain, shout out to my wife who gets to hear my daily belly aching about it

While my 2023 goal was to quit all recreational drug usage, I didn’t cut caffeine completely, I still use 1-2 green tea bags a day. But…I’m off the 25 year coffee dependency
Sorry, I have to have at least one cup of coffee at day, mostly 2, very rarely 3. I think I will live. Fortunately, atorvastatin does the job quite well for me. Exercise takes care of the LDL's.
 
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repoman0

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Coffee increases inflammation, which encourages cholesterol plaque buildup in arteries. Note that cholesterol is naturally occurring in our bloodstream and isn't a problem; its the cholesterol sticking to arteries that's an issue.
Seems to highly depend on the individual. For many people studies seem to show that coffee reduces inflammation and risk of various diseases.



 

Denly

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Cut pop, cut coffee to 1 per day and no more 3x3 or 4x4, don't eat meat during daylight, if you drink switch it to wine instead of beer, mix up some fruits vegan protein drinks and walk anywhere within 1km(0.6 freedom unit) You will be back to size M by the end of the years and save yourself alot of money along the way.
 

uallas5

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Cut pop, cut coffee to 1 per day and no more 3x3 or 4x4, don't eat meat during daylight, if you drink switch it to wine instead of beer, mix up some fruits vegan protein drinks and walk anywhere within 1km(0.6 freedom unit) You will be back to size M by the end of the years and save yourself alot of money along the way.
I assume you mean don't eat meat for lunch? Not eating during daylight is highly dependent on your location. When I lived in Scotland, daylight during the summer would start well before breakfast and end well after dinner. (We could go to a club and it would be twilight and when we'd leave the dawn would be about to break.)
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
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I assume you mean don't eat meat for lunch? Not eating during daylight is highly dependent on your location. When I lived in Scotland, daylight during the summer would start well before breakfast and end well after dinner. (We could go to a club and it would be twilight and when we'd leave the dawn would be about to break.)
On top of that, Wine has a lot more sugar in it than healthy drinks like Scotch. (though dry wines are better than sweet wines in general).
 

Denly

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I assume you mean don't eat meat for lunch? Not eating during daylight is highly dependent on your location. When I lived in Scotland, daylight during the summer would start well before breakfast and end well after dinner. (We could go to a club and it would be twilight and when we'd leave the dawn would be about to break.)
Yes I meant Breakfast and lunch, Cancuck here in my location sundown after 9pm in the summer I know what you meant. But when you put it this way it might not be a bad idea to be a vegan for half a year.

On top of that, Wine has a lot more sugar in it than healthy drinks like Scotch. (though dry wines are better than sweet wines in general).

Most wines contain under 5g of sugar/L and don't affect uric acid like beer, plus a bit of health benefit.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
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Most wines contain under 5g of sugar/L and don't affect uric acid like beer, plus a bit of health benefit.
Sorry i was somewhat joking by calling Scotch a "healthy" drink. I didn't intend rudeness against you.
I do agree that dry wines are quite reasonable when it comes to the carb levels, and I love my dry reds. (Lately been discovering a love for extra dry sherry as well.)
My wife on the other hand, loves her Moscato, which usually has well over 100gm of sugar in a 750ml bottle.
 

Denly

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Sorry i was somewhat joking by calling Scotch a "healthy" drink. I didn't intend rudeness against you.
I do agree that dry wines are quite reasonable when it comes to the carb levels, and I love my dry reds. (Lately been discovering a love for extra dry sherry as well.)
My wife on the other hand, loves her Moscato, which usually has well over 100gm of sugar in a 750ml bottle.
None taken, not sure about how "healthy" Scotch or other whisky are but I do find that my body agrees with wine/whisky more than beer. Guess that's because beer doesn't leave me room to down a lot of water while I drink.
 

Dave_5k

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Something has happened to obesity in the US.
"There are now more than 50 anti-obesity drugs in clinical development from about 40 companies, according to Bloomberg Intelligence. Many target GLP-1 and other hormones, including GIP, glucagon and amylin. Sales of the drugs, for both diabetes and obesity, exceeded $19 billion in 2023."

And these drugs actually work long term for nearly everyone, unlike diets or weight loss programs. Now that researchers are actually treating obesity as a disease and finding there are real treatments when they do so.

At a cost of around $1000 per 1 month supply in the U.S., $19 billion in sales means 1.6 million U.S. adults were on drugs that suppress appetite in 2023 (although that likely understates the figure, as the numbers were ramping rapidly during the year). These new drugs would support nearly a 1% decline in obesity rate for 2023, by themselves.

Of course, 99% of that ridiculous U.S. price is pure profit now, long since having fully recovered research costs, and being produced for, at most, $10 per monthly dose and likely less.
 

Dave_5k

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Quick let’s review the death rate
That actually is a material contributing factor... around 200k-500k early deaths each year due to obesity, depending on which researcher you believe and how old of a study you look at (20 years ago the problem wasn't nearly as large, no pun intended...)
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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That actually is a material contributing factor... around 200k-500k early deaths each year due to obesity, depending on which researcher you believe and how old of a study you look at (20 years ago the problem wasn't nearly as large, no pun intended...)

Yea, and if we change the threshold for obesity, like instead of x.x bmi, it’s higher then there will be less as well. I’m not up to speed with this area, so just thinking about how this number maybe encouraging but misleading at the same time
 
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BurnItDwn

Lifer
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Im pretty close to getting off of that chart through years of eating less starch and sugar. I only take metformin, not using any of those fancy new drugs. Doc is pleased with A1C so continuing current path. Maybe in a couple of years, if I slowly drop some more weight, i'll be off of that chart.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Right, and that's kind of my point. It's not just the way we eat in "modern society", but the way we have come to simply throw drugs at every perceived health problem instead of looking at better options.
If you don't buy the majority of your food on the periphery of the store, you are not doing it right in the first place. Processed foods are a killer. This country needs it, plus it's not really being lazy if it reduces your desire for the amount of food you eat. It seems to have other good side effects like reducing bad habits like drinking. I did not realize that these are formulations of FDA approved products and there are all kinds of non-big pharma outfits making similar formulations. Prices will do down also.
 
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manly

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sdifox

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I am losing weight without it I just can't eat as much as I used to xd.

BMI 25.8 is apparently overweight
 
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