Sorry, where do you get the bolded assertion from?“These kids often feel very powerless. The one way they can feel like they’re somebody, that they’re a man, is to get a gun and kill people.”
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2331236
If you are looking for power, you create a situation where you have no chance of losing.
Sandy Hook was kids he did not know. This FL shooting was done after the kid had been out of that school for a while. It's true that the school represented something he was angry at, but it was for power.
It won't stop, or even deter. Thats speculation on your part, as you come from a standpoint with something to lose.
Just think about it.
Sorry, where do you get the bolded assertion from?
The assertions you are making are just your idea of logic being applied to illogical actors. That's not a great way to arrive at conclusions.An understanding of what is going on. These are not things that happen quickly, but are planned out. They find the weakest targets so they can maximize their damage. The movie guy dressed in full gear, used tear gas before shooting. Sandy Hook targeted young children. The guy in Norway targeted kids at a camp and knew they could not stop him. These events are people that picked their target because they wanted to exert power.
Take the Norway guy, his beef was with the government. Did he attack a military base? No, he went to a camp of kids and justified it because it was sponsored by a political party.
The assertions you are making are just your idea of logic being applied to illogical actors. That's not a great way to arrive at conclusions.
You're wide open to your cognitive biases.
Twenge and Campbell (2009) noted that crime has dropped overall since the 1990s due to a variety of factors, but crimes related to narcissism (or a wounded ego) have not had a corresponding drop and are directly relevant to mass shootings. These authors further noted that “narcissism and social rejection were two risk factors that worked together to cause aggressive behavior” (p. 199), and these factors have certainly been apparent in the histories of mass shooters. They concluded, “Given the upswing in the narcissistic values of American culture since the ’90s, it may be no coincidence that mass shootings became a national plague around the same time” (p. 200).
Wait, is that how you see power? That it is only demonstrable when the goals are easy to achieve?No, it comes from the analysis of what professionals have been able to uncover.
https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099
These people often feel they are better than what they are living. When they snap, they want to show those around them how powerful they really are. You cannot get the infamy if you pick a target that can fight back and you lose. So they target people that they know they can defeat.
Wait, is that how you see power? That it is only demonstrable when the goals are easy to achieve?
Also, you cited the Norway shooter. What does he have to do with American culture values?
You know what, unarmed teachers have literally sacrificed their lives by throwing their bodies in between bullets and students. This story is repeated over and over in school shooting incidents. I wish they could shoot back. Law enforcement officers repeatedly wait outside the school because they are trained to be scared and to protect their own selves above all others. You have undoubtedly read about 100% rates of armed law enforcement refusing to enter the building and confront the bad guy in Florida. They also did this in Sandy Hook and in Columbine and in many other places. The teachers are the ones who seem most interested in protecting kids, to the point of giving their lives to do so. Please do not compare scared cops to hero teachers.
You really have a tough time with this.
You seem to think I'm veiwing this from one motivation, which I'm not.
Regardless of the motivation, having more guns on school grounds won't stop a determined assailant.
And just go with your assumed motivation, no evidence provided so far to support your assertion that more guns, even in a centralized lock box, will do anything to deter such acts.
Conjecture.
If you are looking to exert power, you will seek places where that power is least likely to be challenged
I stopped following this thread closely therefore I'm not fully informed on what led to this post of yours but I want to submit that from what I have come to learn about mass shooters is that they fixate on a place. That doesn't necessarily dismiss your point but in the case of the Florida shooting the school was his target. It's unlikely he would have chosen another location. If guns had been on the premises, he as a former student in possession of an intimate knowledge of the location would have included in his strategy his best chances to kill as many as possible. He's not unique in fixating on a location regardless of the obstacles.
One *fuf shot up a military base.
*fucked up fucker
Yes? But if the goal is to reduce school shootings then it would do that. It might push them elsewhere, but that was not against the goal.
In the sane world, people generally want to reduce mass shootings, not just move them off school grounds. I doubt many people in Vegas were thinking "At least I didn't die in the school hallway!"
I guess I got lost in the conversation, because it looked like you were arguing for arming teachers.Correct, which is why I do not support arming teachers. The cost it would bring would likely be far greater than the benefit of reduced school shootings.
I guess I got lost in the conversation, because it looked like you were arguing for arming teachers.
Records obtained from the sheriff's office by CNN show the law enforcement agency received at least 45 calls for service relating to Cruz or his brother from 2008 to 2017, before the attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland on Feb. 14.
Think of it like this, why do so many of these killers first target defenseless animals and torture them? Have the animals caused them any pain, or is it that the animals are proxies for their desires and have no way of stopping the actions?
Clearly neither of us is an expert in forensic psychiatry. But are you not mixing up spree-killers and serial-killers here? They are two very different 'types' of psychopathy, and it seems to be the latter who frequently turn out to have started off torturing animals.
Its not 100% of the time that they choose soft targets, but its also true that typically they do
Florida's liberal gun laws would not enable the police to separate Cruz from his weapons.Let see, not one, not two, not three, but at least 45 calls to the sheriff department about the killer/brother for the last few years yet not a damn thing was done. So much for "see something, say something" public announcement. Let blame on those evil black "assault" guns.
The sheriff claimed "only" 23 calls.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/us/parkland-shooter-cruz-sheriff-calls-invs/index.html
But I don't think they choose the targets because they are soft. They choose the targets because they have a strong emotional element to them. Schools tend to be something he have strong emotional attachments to, either positively or negatively. These people are trying to cause pain. Their motivation is to either destroy something they see as having wronged them, or cause pain to people they despise. Sometimes (often times) these despised people are more representative then specific individuals. The specific people they want to attack are either hard to get to, already dead, or they are afraid to confront them directly for emotional reasons.
There are myriad costs to arming teachers. Not only is there it undoubtedly cost in lives. You put weapons in the hands of people and some of them are going to act irresponsibly, some are going to have accidents from pure bad luck, and some are going to turn out to be the very people you are trying to protect against. We also need to ask ourselves what is the social cost of arming our teachers? What are we teaching our children when we tell them that their teachers need to be armed?
What laws do you want in place to give the authorities the ability to act on calls like this that would strip the kid of his guns?Let see, not one, not two, not three, but at least 45 calls to the sheriff department about the killer/brother for the last few years yet not a damn thing was done. So much for "see something, say something" public announcement. Let blame on those evil black "assault" guns.
The sheriff claimed "only" 23 calls.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/us/parkland-shooter-cruz-sheriff-calls-invs/index.html
Also, the very kids who might become school shooters will *gasp* participate in the shooter drills and know how things are handled.
Cruz set off fire alarms first, he didn't start shooting until other protocols were already being followed. If you can manipulate the situation
What laws do you want in place to give the authorities the ability to act on calls like this that would strip the kid of his guns?
And quickly, how do those laws not get turned against you and/or other RGOs?
Let see, not one, not two, not three, but at least 45 calls to the sheriff department about the killer/brother for the last few years yet not a damn thing was done. So much for "see something, say something" public announcement. Let blame on those evil black "assault" guns.
So two things. That last part sure seems to agree with my stance. Also, explain Sandy Hook, LV, FL shootings. Sandy Hook he did not hate kids. LV knew nothing of the people he shot at. FL he shot up a school he had not gone to for over a year.
People picked targets that they could do the most damage in. You are not going to do as much damage if someone stops you first, so you pick a target that you minimize that chance.
Adam Lanza had attended Sandy Hook. He was also profoundly developmentally stunted. We will never know exactly what his motivations were, but Sandy Hook Elementary probably had some emotional attachment to him. It could be that Sandy Hook elementary is the last place that he felt normal, as by middle school his mental issues became disabling. It might also just be that it was the closest place to his house where he could get a large body count.