For Neda

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Noobtastic

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I'm mocking you, asshole, and shining light on your politically-induced memorial which you champion out of pure self-interest. Your sorry is a sham and I see right through to you. If Neda was on that flotilla, or the one heading from Iran by the Red Crescent, you'd call her a terrorist. You ought to be ashamed of yourself exploiting her death like this but you are too low to realize that.

False analogy.

The Mavi Marmara was loaded with Hamas sockpuppets looking to transfer illegal contraband to an internationally-recognized terrorist organization (financed by Iran of course).

It is morally humiliating to compare the useful idiots on the flotilla who were either Turkish extremists or Iranian apologists to the death of Neda, who was killed in a cold blood for challenging the fascist state of Iran.

It doesn't take someone with half a brain to see the difference.

Though I guess moral clarity isn't native for Hamas lovers.
 

PJABBER

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I'm mocking you, asshole, and shining light on your politically-induced memorial which you champion out of pure self-interest. Your sorry is a sham and I see right through to you. If Neda was on that flotilla, or the one heading from Iran by the Red Crescent, you'd call her a terrorist. You ought to be ashamed of yourself exploiting her death like this but you are too low to realize that.

No, it is I who mock you.

You have obviously not watched the short one hour biographical documentary of Neda's life.

If you had, you would know that she was against the oppression of women that occurs in Islamic Iran. She was against the suppression of liberal culture. She was against the dictates forced upon the people of Iran by a fanatical Muslim government.

For this she was killed.

You claim that she would put herself on a ship that sails in support of Hamas, the Palestinian puppet of the same Iranian state that she opposed and that killed her for that opposition.

From the Weekly Standard review of the documentary...

...Neda’s struggle for freedom began when she was a child. Her mother recalls that Neda was a rebel, “From age three, she never accepted control.” But Neda lived in a society that exerted massive amounts of control over women. Neda would have none of this. For instance, in high school, she fought with school authorities over the chador—the mandatory black cloak that covers women from head to toe. Remarkably, she won that fight and was excused from wearing the chador at school.

Neda went on to attend Tehran’s Azad University to study Islamic philosophy. Like all the female students, Neda faced daily inspections by dour Basiji women who posted themselves at the gates of the university. Considered the guardians of decency in society, the Basij ensure, among other things, that female students are not exposing themselves, or wearing make up, or high heels.

One day, these Basij women were fighting with Neda about her flashy cosmetics. One of Neda’s friends approached the scene wearing high-heels and nail polish herself—but she managed to slip into the university unnoticed. Neda saw this friend from the corner of her eye, winked at her, and started arguing louder to create a diversion.

Neda’s search for freedom led her to drop out of school after two years. She complained that the vengeful god the professors lectured about was not the loving god she worshiped. She began dreaming about leaving Iran. She started learning Turkish and traveled to Turkey often, ecstatic that she could wear what she chose—no veil—and be free there. She took dancing and singing classes. At home, she wore jean mini skirts and read Western books that the ayatollah’s regime considers subversive, like Iranian-translations of Wuthering Heights, Siddhartha, and The Last Temptation of Christ.

Neda was, in short, an ordinary young woman with ordinary desires. But she was living in Iran, a dystopia. She constantly complained to her younger brother, “women in this country cannot live like human beings.”

A year ago, Neda thought that this would change. In the week leading up to the presidential election, she was among the joyful Iranians with high hopes that reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi would defeat the regressive incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. When, on June 13, it was announced that Ahmadinejad had won over 60% of the vote—an unlikely and extraordinary number—Neda was beside herself. Provoking a fight with her mother, she implored, “You told me Mousavi would win. What happened?”

Two days later, Neda was among the millions of Iranians in Tehran protesting the corrupt election. Day after day, she took to the streets of Tehran—even after supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei implied on June 19 that security forces would crush any further demonstrations.

The next day, the streets of Tehran were lined with rows and rows of revolutionary guards, police, and Basij militiamen. Neda’s mother begged her to stay home that day, but Neda told her, “I have to go. If I don’t go out, who will?” Once on the streets, Neda described the scene to her mother over the phone, “it’s like hell…They are chasing us and beating us.”

“What grabbed my attention,” according to Arash Hejazi, an Iranian doctor protesting nearby Neda that day, was “she was so active—shouting death to the dictator, acting, supporting others, moving around, while her music teacher [her companion that day] was trying to pull her back but she didn’t want to give up.”

Ominously then, a group of security forces charged the crowd with batons in their hands. Everyone, including Neda and Hejazi fled. Then, they heard the gunshots.

Hejazi turned back. Neda had stopped running and was staring in shock at the blood that was gushing out of her chest. She collapsed and after a minute died on the street with Hejazi and her music teacher helplessly hovering over her in panic.

In the days that followed, thousands of grieving Iranians gathered to publicly mourn Neda’s death, despite the regime’s threats and crackdown. No wonder the ghost of Neda continues to haunt the Iranian government. Iran’s Intelligence Ministry plans to release a documentary of its own in the next few days showing that Neda’s death was staged. This would be at least the seventh official and conflicting account of Neda’s death from the regime.

That the regime needs to resort to such theatrics is almost good news. It is more proof, if proof is needed, of how powerful a symbol Neda is to the Iranian people. The regime’s insecurity is palpable. Neda did not die in vain.

Over Twitter and Facebook and YouTube, the sight of her blood and her stunned eyes as the light faded from them, the sound of the screams around her broke through the often banal digital maelstrom, reminding the world that the fight for freedom is ongoing and often fatal, even for the young and unarmed.

Yet you are convinced that this young woman, so angry at the suppression of her life's dreams, so angry at being repressed simply because she was a woman, would join a ship of fools and Islamic fundamentalists sailing to Gaza to support the Hamas that is intent on doing to the people of Gaza what the Iranian Revolutionary Guard have done to Iran.

You are an advocate for Islamic fundamentalism. Do you live in a country where this is practiced and people are governed by its medieval strictures? Or are you coddled in the liberal West, where no one picks you up off the street to imprison you for how you dress, for what you say, for what you think?

You have the freedom here to express your illiberal and ignorant views but what you advocate is the complete suppression of that freedom.

Neda, whom you despise, gave her life for a chance at freedom like so many have throughout history. She wasn't any different than anyone you would run into in the course of daily life. But just as her story is not unusual, it resonates even more clearly.

If Neda did not go out that fateful day, who would have? Certainly not you, not at her side. Or if you did, it would be to join the militia in beating down some other girl daring to fight for a better life, to pull a trigger, to fire another round against someone just like Neda.
 

Noobtastic

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You are an advocate for Islamic fundamentalism. Do you live in a country where this is practiced and people are governed by its medieval strictures? Or are you coddled in the liberal West, where no one picks you up off the street to imprison you for how you dress, for what you say, for what you think?

Well said. this should be published.
 

CitizenKain

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Its funny seeing the rightwing suddenly pretend care about someone like Neda, but they'd have no problem calling her collateral damage if one of our planes bombed her. Infact, they'd cheer and the pilot a brave man for doing it.
 

Narmer

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No, it is I who mock you.

You have obviously not watched the short one hour biographical documentary of Neda's life.

If you had, you would know that she was against the oppression of women that occurs in Islamic Iran. She was against the suppression of liberal culture. She was against the dictates forced upon the people of Iran by a fanatical Muslim government.

For this she was killed.

You claim that she would put herself on a ship that sails in support of Hamas, the Palestinian puppet of the same Iranian state that she opposed and that killed her for that opposition.

From the Weekly Standard review of the documentary...



Over Twitter and Facebook and YouTube, the sight of her blood and her stunned eyes as the light faded from them, the sound of the screams around her broke through the often banal digital maelstrom, reminding the world that the fight for freedom is ongoing and often fatal, even for the young and unarmed.

Yet you are convinced that this young woman, so angry at the suppression of her life's dreams, so angry at being repressed simply because she was a woman, would join a ship of fools and Islamic fundamentalists sailing to Gaza to support the Hamas that is intent on doing to the people of Gaza what the Iranian Revolutionary Guard have done to Iran.

You are an advocate for Islamic fundamentalism. Do you live in a country where this is practiced and people are governed by its medieval strictures? Or are you coddled in the liberal West, where no one picks you up off the street to imprison you for how you dress, for what you say, for what you think?

You have the freedom here to express your illiberal and ignorant views but what you advocate is the complete suppression of that freedom.

Neda, whom you despise, gave her life for a chance at freedom like so many have throughout history. She wasn't any different than anyone you would run into in the course of daily life. But just as her story is not unusual, it resonates even more clearly.

If Neda did not go out that fateful day, who would have? Certainly not you, not at her side. Or if you did, it would be to join the militia in beating down some other girl daring to fight for a better life, to pull a trigger, to fire another round against someone just like Neda.

I support Islamic fundamentalism because I mock your sham sympathy? She was killed because of her beliefs? She was killed because she was opposing the rigged election and happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Do you think her killer knew her beliefs? Anyway, believe whatever you want, just don't lie to the rest of us and tell us you're sincere. Your fake outrage is deeply political and insulting to those who oppose the current regime because they also most likely oppose the suffering of the Palestinians and support Iran's right to nuclear power and weapons.

Anyway, I think I've discredited your thread enough for me to bow out of it. Oh, in your next thread, why don't you tell us how bucolic your neighborhood is and how you drink freshly squeezed milk from Belgian cows with a touch of cinnamon additives:laughing@U.
 
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Narmer

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I'm mocking you, asshole, and shining light on your politically-induced memorial which you champion out of pure self-interest. Your sorry is a sham and I see right through to you. If Neda was on that flotilla, or the one heading from Iran by the Red Crescent, you'd call her a terrorist. You ought to be ashamed of yourself exploiting her death like this but you are too low to realize that.

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WTF is this?
 

Acanthus

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The videos during the election protests were so heart wrenching.

I remember seeing the Neda video on youtube moments after it was uploaded.

I empathize with the youth that are under such incredible oppression over there.
 

Narmer

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Figure it out...........

I have no idea what being under the spotlight means. Does that mean I have a limited amount of insults to throw because I'm the first? If I wasn't the first does it mean I have an unlimited arsenal of insults at my disposal?
 

ElFenix

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this thread started off in a pretty bad place and only went deeper into the shit from there.
 

Lemon law

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I always wonder about threads like this, what is the OP trying to hide?

If PJABBER was a compassionate man may be he should be talking about a more current events thread title like For Rachel Corrie.

Lots of similarities between the two girls, but Neda was more likely killed by accidental stray shot and Rachel Corrie was run over deliberately by an Israeli bulldozer. But that may be a too cool story for IHV or PJIBBISH to mention.

But I am confident PJIBBISH can find his way back to his own high culture redemption by swilling some of his fine aged liqueurs or maybe some fine espresso may be called for.
 

Noobtastic

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Lots of similarities between the two girls, but Neda was more likely killed by accidental stray shot and Rachel Corrie was run over deliberately by an Israeli bulldozer. But that may be a too cool story for IHV or PJIBBISH to mention.

unreal...



corrie was a suicide bombing sock puppet, neda was a victim of an oppressive islamist regime cracking down on dissent.

with the exception of syria, no other nation in the ME devotes so much effort in stifling protest.

unlike israel, where thousands of westerns travel to the west bank and gaza to protest.
 

Lemon law

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As IHV says, "unlike israel, where thousands of westerns travel to the west bank and gaza to protest." And regardless if on the high seas or in Gaza, they always risk being killed by Israeli bulldozers or the generic willing to commit international war crimes on the behalf of Israel.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Iranian extremists are rotten too, but there is not a dimes worth of differences between the Iranian revolutionary guard and Netanyuhu and Israeli settler parties.

How dare you IHV, equate the non violent protests of someone like Rachel Corrie and Neda, with violent thugs inside of Israel and Iran. In demonizing both the non violence of Neda and Rachel Corrie, you embrace the most thuggish parts of humanity.

And even if your Ideas disgust me IHV, they are ideas, not justified motives for killing other people.
 
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Noobtastic

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As IHV says, "unlike israel, where thousands of westerns travel to the west bank and gaza to protest." And regardless if on the high seas or in Gaza, they always risk being killed by Israeli bulldozers or the generic willing to commit international war crimes on the behalf of Israel.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Iranian extremists are rotten too, but there is not a dimes worth of differences between the Iranian revolutionary guard and Netanyuhu and Israeli settler parties.

Howe dare you IHV, equate the non violent protests of someone like Rachel Corrie and Neda, with violent thugs inside of Israel and Iran. In demonizing both the non violence of Neda and Rachel Corrie, you embrace the most thuggish parts of humanity.

Rachel Corrie was in a war zone protecting gun running tunnels. She wasn't NOT an innocent bystander or non-violent protesters, and she wasn't murdered. The case was closed long ago and deemed an accident, just like mohammed al-dura.

Rachel Corrie was also a card-carrying member of ISM, which has aided and support terrorists in the past and NEVER condemned them.

Nobody made Corrie stand in front of a bulldozer with a raised blade. While an American, I can't say I feel terrible about her death - not that I supported it, but it's not the most heart-breaking thing to happen.

Funny you bleed your eyes out for moral idiots like Rachel Corrie, yet say nothing about the 30+ Americans killed by Palestinian terrorists, most notably Abagail Litle.

Unlike Corrie, who was an America-hating twat, Abagail's family was part of a program to bridge Israeli and Palestinian children together in peace program to bring Israeli and Palestinian children together in peace and open discourse, and she was murdered one week after Corrie committed suicide.

Abagail was a peace-activist, Corrie was a fundamentalist who had more in common with Hamas than anyone else.

Drawing parallels between Neda and Corrie is morally humiliating.
 

bfdd

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lmfao. like you tards give a shit what happened to Neda. just another lame thread to push your anti-arab agenda.

where's was the media coverage for Rachel Corrie?

LOL. Iran and anti-Arab. LOL man that's funny, to good bro to good.
 

bfdd

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Rachel Corrie was in a war zone protecting gun running tunnels. She wasn't NOT an innocent bystander or non-violent protesters, and she wasn't murdered. The case was closed long ago and deemed an accident, just like mohammed al-dura.

Rachel Corrie was also a card-carrying member of ISM, which has aided and support terrorists in the past and NEVER condemned them.

Nobody made Corrie stand in front of a bulldozer with a raised blade. While an American, I can't say I feel terrible about her death - not that I supported it, but it's not the most heart-breaking thing to happen.

Funny you bleed your eyes out for moral idiots like Rachel Corrie, yet say nothing about the 30+ Americans killed by Palestinian terrorists, most notably Abagail Litle.

Unlike Corrie, who was an America-hating twat, Abagail's family was part of a program to bridge Israeli and Palestinian children together in peace program to bring Israeli and Palestinian children together in peace and open discourse, and she was murdered one week after Corrie committed suicide.

Abagail was a peace-activist, Corrie was a fundamentalist who had more in common with Hamas than anyone else.

Drawing parallels between Neda and Corrie is morally humiliating.

I think this is probably your best post I've ever read.
 

Acanthus

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I always wonder about threads like this, what is the OP trying to hide?

If PJABBER was a compassionate man may be he should be talking about a more current events thread title like For Rachel Corrie.

Lots of similarities between the two girls, but Neda was more likely killed by accidental stray shot and Rachel Corrie was run over deliberately by an Israeli bulldozer. But that may be a too cool story for IHV or PJIBBISH to mention.

But I am confident PJIBBISH can find his way back to his own high culture redemption by swilling some of his fine aged liqueurs or maybe some fine espresso may be called for.

Neda was killed by indiscriminate live fire into a group of protesters by the Basij religious army in Iran during the protests to the obviously rigged election. More than 30 were killed and hundreds wounded during the 3 weeks of major protesting.

The elections were a joke, Mir-Hossein Mousavi went into election night leading by enormous numbers in the polls and exit polls. Ahmadinejad won in 5 districts by more votes than the population of the district.

Mousavi called for people to turn to the streets for peaceful protests, the rest is history from there.

Iran put their cities on lock down, terminating all internet service and jamming all cell phone signals shortly after protests began. The Basij army was called in to quell the violence and it quickly escalated to the state-sanctioned use of live-fire on its own citizens.
 
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