Formula Boinc 2014 News

[Bradtech519]

I noticed we were 10th on climatepredict.net. I'll throw my FX 8350 that way to help get more points than 1 point.

 

[Bradtech519]

update: Not getting any workunits from climatepredict. I'm now using all eight cores for Rosetta@Home to help out. We are around 500,000 back behind HardOCP.


1 TSC! Russia 25 36,164,168 652,705,276 616,541,108
2 Brony@Home 18 31,587,672 77,372,538 45,784,866
3 Canada 15 6,259,501 292,826,789 286,567,288
4 [H]ard|OCP 12 4,094,498 11,963,022 7,868,523
5 TeAm AnandTech 10 3,541,733 204,878,296 201,336,562

 

[biodoc]

update: Not getting any workunits from climatepredict. I'm now using all eight cores for Rosetta@Home to help out. We are around 500,000 back behind HardOCP.


1 TSC! Russia 25 36,164,168 652,705,276 616,541,108
2 Brony@Home 18 31,587,672 77,372,538 45,784,866
3 Canada 15 6,259,501 292,826,789 286,567,288
4 [H]ard|OCP 12 4,094,498 11,963,022 7,868,523
5 TeAm AnandTech 10 3,541,733 204,878,296 201,336,562

I've got my Q9550 and 1090T on Rosetta. :thumbsup:

It's interesting that Yafu uses a multi-threaded app which is similar to FAH SMP. One WU uses all the cores on my 2600K. The downside is crunching another project on the same CPU really increases the crunch time on the Yafu WU.

I think Aqua@home used a multi-threaded threaded app too, didn't it?

 

[Rudy Toody]

I think Aqua@home used a multi-threaded threaded app too, didn't it?

Sim1@Home has mult-threading, which takes over the machine. We both crunched it some time back.

 

[biodoc]

Forgot about Sim1@home. We were #1 when it was linux only, right?

 

[deerslayer]

The downside is crunching another project on the same CPU really increases the crunch time on the Yafu WU.

Do yours run past the estimated time? I almost cancelled the first long one because it went WAAAAAAAY past the estimated time, but I decided to just let it go. Mine are estimating maybe an hour and a half and running for 6 or 7 hours (can't remember for sure).

 

[deerslayer]

22269 22269 8340 18 Feb 2014, 17:04:34 UTC 19 Feb 2014, 18:20:10 UTC Error while computing 19,533.22 12,180.00 --- YAFU v134.01 (mt)

-_- Not good.

 

[Assimilator1]

I've considered that, too, Assimiliator. The problem is that if I start putting it back on any I'll want to do it on ALL of them.

Lol, you'll just have to exercise constraint!

Btw rather than guessing your rigs power draws you'd be better off buying a plug in the wall power meter, they don't cost that much & will be useful for years .

 

[biodoc]

22269 22269 8340 18 Feb 2014, 17:04:34 UTC 19 Feb 2014, 18:20:10 UTC Error while computing 19,533.22 12,180.00 --- YAFU v134.01 (mt)

-_- Not good.

your CPU time should be 8x of run time. looks like you are running WUs from another project on that rig. Yafu WUs want all 8 cores on your CPU.

Here's one finished WU on my 2600K. I let yafu have 7 free cores (1 is dedicated to GPUGrid and GPU). Notice the CPU time is 7X the run time. This is typical of a multithreaded app.

run time_____CPU time___points
9,882.88____56,526.64___444.67 YAFU v134.01 (mt)

EDIT: the estimated run time is useless on this project becasue the WUs all have different run times

 

[GLeeM]

Sim1@Home has mult-threading, which takes over the machine.

It is a bit of a hassle, and it only works for a while, but there is a work around with YAFU. For example: I set percent of processor used to 50% and downloaded two YAFU WUs and changed back to 87.5% processor usage and No New Tasks for YAFU. The result is three A@H WUs running and one YAFU using four threads and one thread for the GPU After it finishes the two YAFU WUs it will continue doing A@H.

 

[deerslayer]

your CPU time should be 8x of run time. looks like you are running WUs from another project on that rig. Yafu WUs want all 8 cores on your CPU.

Here's one finished WU on my 2600K. I let yafu have 7 free cores (1 is dedicated to GPUGrid and GPU). Notice the CPU time is 7X the run time. This is typical of a multithreaded app.

run time_____CPU time___points
9,882.88____56,526.64___444.67 YAFU v134.01 (mt)

EDIT: the estimated run time is useless on this project becasue the WUs all have different run times

Only other project running on this computer is Milkyway (GPU only). Yafu claims it is using all 8 cores. Task manager also shows it using all 8 cores.

I noticed the oddity with the times too. Not sure what is going on.

 

[biodoc]

Only other project running on this computer is Milkyway (GPU only). Yafu claims it is using all 8 cores. Task manager also shows it using all 8 cores.

I noticed the oddity with the times too. Not sure what is going on.

Hmm...I can't figure out what's wrong either. I'll check the forum over there tomorrow morning for more info.

 

[deerslayer]

Beats me. I moved it to a bigger case tonight thinking maybe it's getting too hot. Tried the stock cooler, ran 10°C hotter. I put the aftermarket cooler back on it.

Looks like it's still throttling back to 1400mhz. I have cool & quiet disabled in bios. Do I need to disable turbo too? I can't figure out what is making it throttle. It's not getting past 50°C.

Edit: I turned off turbo mode and I think it has stopped throttling. Others have had the same issues with this chip and motherboard combo. I may try swapping the 8320 into my other motherboard and put the 6300 in this one.

 

[biodoc]

Beats me. I moved it to a bigger case tonight thinking maybe it's getting too hot. Tried the stock cooler, ran 10°C hotter. I put the aftermarket cooler back on it.

Looks like it's still throttling back to 1400mhz. I have cool & quiet disabled in bios. Do I need to disable turbo too? I can't figure out what is making it throttle. It's not getting past 50°C.

Edit: I turned off turbo mode and I think it has stopped throttling. Others have had the same issues with this chip and motherboard combo. I may try swapping the 8320 into my other motherboard and put the 6300 in this one.

I did a little searching and one possibility is your CPU Voltage regulator module (VRM) is overheating. (more here). Some motherboards have good heatsinks on the VRM and it seems the airflow from the stock CPU coolers help cool the VRM. I had this problem with my 3930K in that I really couldn't get stable overclocks. I installed the asus HW monitor and it registered high VRM temps. I have watercooling so the airflow around the VRM was minimal. Then I discovered the Sabertooth MB has a a little fan that you can install in the plastic shroud covering the VRM (left of CPU) that was not installed when shipped. I found the fan in the MB box, installed it and problem solved. If your motherboard came with hardware monitoring software, it might include VRM temps. Another software package I found but haven't tried is OCCT.

The other possibility is your power supply may be inadequate. Also some microATX boards only have a 4-pin connector to the power supply vs 8-pin on ATX boards. I read somewhere that a 4-pin will not supply enough power to feed an FX-8320.

 

[deerslayer]

PSU is a CX-600M.

I think it's the VRM overheating. I found the same thing you did when I searched for the motherboard model and throttling. I think I have it running at stock speed consistently.

I turned off turbo and set overclocking to manual. I set the voltage to 1.2 and manually set the clock to 3.5. Seems to be staying there now. CPU is maxing out at 46° C. Not sure if there's a VRM temp with the asus monitoring software or not.

I bought the motherboard and the cpu together used. I guess I should have researched the motherboard a little better. Fortunately I got it pretty cheap. I may end up ordering a different board. I also considered swapping my fx-6300 in to the problem board and see if it the VRM acts up with that one.

My other board has an 8 pin power connector. The original plan was to put the 8320 in my main rig, but I was lazy when it showed up (still had the flu).

 

[Bradtech519]

Have you tried updating the bios for your motherboard also? disable turbo mode, cool and quiet and CE1. I can take a screenshot at lunch today and upload it to show you what I disabled for my FX 8350 on my gigabyte board.

 

[deerslayer]

I have all of those disabled. The board is ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS. It claims FX support up to 125w. Apparently they were being optimistic. Maybe they meant 124.999999 was okay, but 125 is too much.

 

[Bradtech519]

I have all of those disabled. The board is ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS. It claims FX support up to 125w. Apparently they were being optimistic. Maybe they meant 124.999999 was okay, but 125 is too much.

have you checked if there is a newer bios out? They have an update as soon as November of 2013 on their site.

 

[deerslayer]

have you checked if there is a newer bios out? They have an update as soon as November of 2013 on their site.

I'm gun shy on bios updates. Never done one. Looks like my board has 1303 on it. 1501 is the latest.

 

[Assimilator1]

Sounds like a similar problem to my sons pc, different mbrd (but it is Asus) & CPU though. CPU is throttled under load running OCCT & to a lesser degree A@H, even at stock speeds, again to a lesser degree. Asus support have been bloody useless & have just fobbed me off with BS about 'CPU quality'!

Turning off Thermal monitoring fixed it, but I'm not keen on that as a long term answer!

 

[Bradtech519]

I'm gun shy on bios updates. Never done one. Looks like my board has 1303 on it. 1501 is the latest.

I understand it's usually what a hardware vendor will have you do before helping you with support or replacing a part. I updated my board in the signature here while back and it helped with some stability issues with supporting FX 8350 CPUs and Windows 8. This board was released back when the FX 8120 Bulldozer came out.

 

[biodoc]

I have all of those disabled. The board is ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS. It claims FX support up to 125w. Apparently they were being optimistic. Maybe they meant 124.999999 was okay, but 125 is too much.

Yeah swapping in the fx-6300 sounds like a good plan. The fx-6300 has a TDP of 95 watts so it would be a better match for that MB. I'll bet that 4-pin power connector is very hot to the touch with the fx-8320 in there. Also there is no heat sink on the VRM components on that MB.

 

[deerslayer]

My other board is MSI 970A-G46. Maybe I'll muster up some ambition soon and swap the processors. I've been on overtime since the beginning of December and it looks like I'll probably be working all weekend again.

 

[biodoc]

My other board is MSI 970A-G46. Maybe I'll muster up some ambition soon and swap the processors. I've been on overtime since the beginning of December and it looks like I'll probably be working all weekend again.

That MB looks good for the fx-8320. Nice heat sinks on the VRM and the CPU is on the support list.

 

[deerslayer]

I got them swapped out. That 8320 runs a bit hot. Reseated the heatsink once already. Apparently the basement temperature makes more of a difference than I realized.

I got it down to 52° C load temp by turning the core voltage down. I don't like seeing temps over 50, but I think that's as good as it's going to get with the cooler I have (Arctic 7 Freezer Pro). The cooler is nice and quiet, but I think I may have to shop around for something better for this thing.

Any suggestions? Quiet would be nice since this computer sits in the living room.