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umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: techs
Who cares?
I want to know what KINDS of jobs and what do they pay.
In other words, is McDonalds hiring?

So true. Amazing how this wonderful economy and all these great jobs no longer translate to people being able to keep the houses they bought. Odd that this big boom is keeping people from buying new cars (see the figures the big 3 posted yesterday for car sales in January). Great jobs, people just can't afford shelter, transportation, etc.

Funny how that works. Wonders when the republicas will quit beating this dead horse and let the staving and the under/un-employed eat it? Not going to work guys, see the recent elections as proof. No one is buying it any more, not that any of us here ever were.

Now if you'll excuss me, this mechanical engineer by trade, web developer has to get back to HFCC to finish up the last semester of my RRT program. So many jobs here in SE Michigan, I borrowed money to go back to college to get a 3rd degree, this time in health care. Can't outsource that, though I am sure there is a team of people working on fixing that as I type this.
 

imported_Shivetya

Platinum Member
Jul 7, 2005
2,978
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Democrats got elected, we can tell the truth about the economy again.

you mean we can admit it has been doing very well finally?


after all, since they are in office it must be a good economy, right?
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
3
0
U.S. Jan. nonfarm payrolls up 111,000 vs 170,000 expected
8:30 AM ET, Feb 02, 2007

Yet another month below the equilibrium point. No wonder the Bushco admin needs to tweak the numbers to get things to at least look like they're hitting equilibrium. But job *growth*? Ain't happenin' folks. Esp. if you take out the defense sector due to this Buscho-created "war on terror".



 

Pandaren

Golden Member
Sep 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: ntdz
You are a special one though, you are an economist, a military general, a policy maker and foreign policy expert all at the same time. It must wear on you to be so brilliant.

Pot. Kettle. Black. What a frakking crock.

You still haven't answered the question of exactly what kind of jobs the economy is creating. A simple statement that real wages are increasing is unfortunately very non-responsive.
 

GoPackGo

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 2003
6,513
580
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I was in Burger King the other night and they had a sign up they were hiring...starting wages up to 12/hr.

I dont live in a big city.

Burger manufacturing FTW !

12/hr isn't too bad for the flipping of burgers.

 

ntdz

Diamond Member
Aug 5, 2004
6,989
0
0
Originally posted by: Pandaren
Originally posted by: ntdz
You are a special one though, you are an economist, a military general, a policy maker and foreign policy expert all at the same time. It must wear on you to be so brilliant.

Pot. Kettle. Black. What a frakking crock.

You still haven't answered the question of exactly what kind of jobs the economy is creating. A simple statement that real wages are increasing is unfortunately very non-responsive.

If you want to know, go look it up yourself. I'm not your encyclopedia, if you want to prove me wrong then go look it up yourself and post your evidence.
 

nullzero

Senior member
Jan 15, 2005
670
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It is widely known that wars create short term economic stimulus. Government prints more money and gives money to soliders and business which in turn comes back to the U.S. and spurs consumer spending in the short term. Once the war in Iraq ends the slowdown in the sectors related to the war will be huge. Take a look at just BOEING and how many jobs they layed off after the first gulf war and do the math yourself.

"When Boeing did that the last time, in 1996 and 1997, after the Gulf War downturn, its assembly lines became so snarled that the company lost money for the first time in nearly a half century.

A clearer picture of what may be in store for the commercial business will emerge Thursday, when Boeing announces third-quarter earnings and for the first time provides more specifics about airplane deliveries in 2003. Boeing has said it hopes to deliver about 500 planes this year and around 400 next year, though those numbers could change. Boeing has not made any predictions about 2003. But many analysts are forecasting that Boeing will deliver only about 300 planes that year, perhaps fewer.

Last week, Boeing began notifying the first 9,000 of what could be as many as 30,000 workers who will likely lose their jobs by the end of 2002 because of the current downturn. Many of those laid off work in the Puget Sound region.

During the last downturn, Boeing's employment fell steadily for five years, from 161,000 to 105,000 by the end of 1995."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/42812_boeing15.shtml

Thats over a *35%* reduction in work force after the gulf war slow down for Boeing.... Next down turn is going to be much worse because the engagement is much bigger and longer with much more resources not to mention engineering and construction companies will see layoffs due to the pull out from Iraq.

Here some numbers to ponder, number of employees in some of the top U.S. defense related companies publicly traded.

120,000 NOC
153,000 BA
140,000 LMT
81,000 GD
80,000 RTN
5,100 AH
18,600 COL
59,500 LLL
116,00 HON
222,200 UTX
300,000 GE
106,000 HAL

Over 1.4million people employed just in the publicly traded defense and Iraq reconstruction related companies. Add in the private sector and others that I failed to list we are easily talking about +2 million people that have job security directed tied to the War in Iraq. A 50% reduction would be 1 million high paying jobs lost... I doubt we would lose that many but for the sake of things I will be conservative and say 25% of those workers get layed off from slow down in business (end of Iraq War). Thats still 500,000 people layed off and it can have a big effect across the nation not to mention jobs being lost in the Auto and Construction industries.

The storm is brewing just wait and see., the real estate slow down will just make matters worse. Also take into account the massive amount of people that will soon be retiring and taking rather then giving into the system, we have some major economic problems to deal with.
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: ntdz
http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/01/news/ec...tlook/index.htm?postversion=2007020115

the numbers will also include the Labor Department's so-called benchmark revisions to job numbers for April 2005 through March 2006. While it's gotten very little attention, the department's Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) estimated last October that the revisions will add about 810,000 jobs to its count of U.S. payrolls for that 12-month period.

Turns out our economy has made nearly 1 million more jobs than originally thought, which is obviously a good thing and FURTHER proof the economy is doing just fine.

Wachovia senior economist Mark Vitner estimates a total net gain of 1.2 million from all the revisions.

Awesome.

Creative book keeping? An inflation of an already inflated set of JOB statistics?
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
7,628
183
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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: conjur
Wow! And here I though only Disney could produce magic on such a grand scale! When the economy is in the crapper and foreign policy is for sh*t, find a way to fool the public even more! Sorry if I don't jump up and down and kiss Repub arse. A change this drastic just reaks of manipulation.

Can you show me one economist who claims the economy is in the crapper besides you? You are a special one though, you are an economist, a military general, a policy maker and foreign policy expert all at the same time. It must wear on you to be so brilliant.

I can show you many an economist who thinks our current path isn't sustainable if we keep spending beyond our means. I believe Ben Bernanke dubbed it "the calm before the storm."

But no, there aren't too many economists that will tell you our economy is in the crapper. Inflation last year was pretty low so interest rates will stay down which will spur more growth.

Savings now lower then during the Depression? Take this fact as a clue!:gift:
 

nullzero

Senior member
Jan 15, 2005
670
0
0
The sh#t will hit the fan soon... its those that are prepared that will weather it. Start buying those gold coins and collecting those pennies they may be the other thing worth anything after the paper dollars become worthless. When the government bans the melting of pennies and nickles you know something is up. The governments plan is to get rid of all coins in a couple years and make everything electronic and paper so they can manipulate the economy even more.

I would also like to hear the republicans response to my earlier post here on the Iraq War and all the jobs that will be lost when it winds down. Like they say we never learn from history's mistakes. If you look at this cycle we are in its very close to what we experienced in the early 1970s and the early 1990s...

1970s pull out of Vietnam housing market collapse and stagflation due to inflation caused by war in vietnam and jobs lost soon after the war ended... I might add also the housing market collapsed pretty badly shortly after.

1990s gulf war ended 1991, housing market started crashing 1989... Late 1980s upto early 1990s we had high inflation...

Present we are repeating the cycle but its magnified even more!
 

HombrePequeno

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2001
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0
0
Originally posted by: nullzero
The sh#t will hit the fan soon... its those that are prepared that will weather it. Start buying those gold coins and collecting those pennies they may be the other thing worth anything after the paper dollars become worthless. When the government bans the melting of pennies and nickles you know something is up. The governments plan is to get rid of all coins in a couple years and make everything electronic and paper so they can manipulate the economy even more.

Actually the government has done that a few times before. The last time was when the half penny's metal was worth more than its value. They decided to just scrap it and go with the penny. That is exactly what we sure do currently, scrap the penny and keep the nickel (a nickel with different metals). I've never actually heard the plan you're talking about and I have seen no evidence to support it. The government has actually been trying to increase the amount of coins by making the dollar coin. Unfortunately that won't keep because of our continued circulation of the dollar bill.

I would also like to hear the republicans response to my earlier post here on the Iraq War and all the jobs that will be lost when it winds down. Like they say we never learn from history's mistakes. If you look at this cycle we are in its very close to what we experienced in the early 1970s and the early 1990s...

1970s pull out of Vietnam housing market collapse and stagflation due to inflation caused by war in vietnam and jobs lost soon after the war ended... I might add also the housing market collapsed pretty badly shortly after.

The inflation was actually due to the Fed targeting lower unemployment rates by expanding the money supply (Phillip's Curve) and had nothing to do with Vietnam.
 

TheSlamma

Diamond Member
Sep 6, 2005
7,625
5
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: techs
Who cares?
I want to know what KINDS of jobs and what do they pay.
In other words, is McDonalds hiring?


I was waiting for that one. Yes, McDonalds hired 1 million people that we didn't know about. You got us.

Were you asking these questions during the Clinton years or were you ecstatic about how great the economy was?
He still asked a legit question, can you answer it?

If not then why TF did you reply? Just because "you were waiting"?
 

slash196

Golden Member
Nov 1, 2004
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So what is the net job number for said 12-month period? If 810,000 were added, what does that add up to in the end? Because if we lost 1.7 million jobs during that period I'll be less than impressed.
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
11,877
2,743
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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: techs
Who cares?
I want to know what KINDS of jobs and what do they pay.
In other words, is McDonalds hiring?


I was waiting for that one. Yes, McDonalds hired 1 million people that we didn't know about. You got us.

Were you asking these questions during the Clinton years or were you ecstatic about how great the economy was?
He still asked a legit question, can you answer it?

If not then why TF did you reply? Just because "you were waiting"?

I also asked a legit question, was he asking that same thing during the Clinton years? Can you answer that? Can you answer what kinds of jobs were created in 06? IF not then why TF did you reply? Just because you were trolling?

 

XZeroII

Lifer
Jun 30, 2001
12,572
0
0
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: Ferocious
heh...during the Clinton years low wage places had to offer signing bonuses to get people to apply.

Under Bush a Walmart opens with 200 jobs...and 5000 apply!

Nice hyperbole. :roll:

Did we learn a new word last night?
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
11,877
2,743
136
Originally posted by: Ferocious
heh...during the Clinton years low wage places had to offer signing bonuses to get people to apply.

Under Bush a Walmart opens with 200 jobs...and 5000 apply!


And for some reason, the left still hates walmart and claims that its a horrible place to work. Apparently the people applying to work there don't think that.
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
3
0
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Ferocious
heh...during the Clinton years low wage places had to offer signing bonuses to get people to apply.

Under Bush a Walmart opens with 200 jobs...and 5000 apply!
And for some reason, the left still hates walmart and claims that its a horrible place to work. Apparently the people applying to work there don't think that.
You don't understand why? It's because they'd desperate for any income to keep their heads above water.
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
11,877
2,743
136
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Ferocious
heh...during the Clinton years low wage places had to offer signing bonuses to get people to apply.

Under Bush a Walmart opens with 200 jobs...and 5000 apply!
And for some reason, the left still hates walmart and claims that its a horrible place to work. Apparently the people applying to work there don't think that.
You don't understand why? It's because they'd desperate for any income to keep their heads above water.

You guys hate the rich and want to drive them out of this country, when they are the ones that own the companies that pay decent wages. You hate walmart because they don't pay as much as you think they should, although they still provide jobs to people who need them. So who exactly do you think is supposed to create these great middle class jobs for everyone? You do realize that there has to be a lower class right? There has to be people to fill the lower wage jobs.

 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
3
0
Yes, I understand there's a need for people to fill lower-paying wage jobs. I'm not insane like those in this administration and I've never stated otherwise. HOWEVER, what you are missing out on is the fact that thousands will show up for these low-paying, non-benefit-having jobs is a very scary statistic.
 

nullzero

Senior member
Jan 15, 2005
670
0
0
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Originally posted by: nullzero
The sh#t will hit the fan soon... its those that are prepared that will weather it. Start buying those gold coins and collecting those pennies they may be the other thing worth anything after the paper dollars become worthless. When the government bans the melting of pennies and nickles you know something is up. The governments plan is to get rid of all coins in a couple years and make everything electronic and paper so they can manipulate the economy even more.

Actually the government has done that a few times before. The last time was when the half penny's metal was worth more than its value. They decided to just scrap it and go with the penny. That is exactly what we sure do currently, scrap the penny and keep the nickel (a nickel with different metals). I've never actually heard the plan you're talking about and I have seen no evidence to support it. The government has actually been trying to increase the amount of coins by making the dollar coin. Unfortunately that won't keep because of our continued circulation of the dollar bill.

I would also like to hear the republicans response to my earlier post here on the Iraq War and all the jobs that will be lost when it winds down. Like they say we never learn from history's mistakes. If you look at this cycle we are in its very close to what we experienced in the early 1970s and the early 1990s...

1970s pull out of Vietnam housing market collapse and stagflation due to inflation caused by war in vietnam and jobs lost soon after the war ended... I might add also the housing market collapsed pretty badly shortly after.

The inflation was actually due to the Fed targeting lower unemployment rates by expanding the money supply (Phillip's Curve) and had nothing to do with Vietnam.

Not completely true Vietnam War caused a lot of the inflation combined with the governments easy money practices.

"Opposition existed even among conservatives and business leaders, primarily for economic reasons. The government was spending more than $2 billion per month on the war by 1967. Some U.S. corporations, ranging from beer distributors to manufacturers of jet aircraft, benefited greatly from this money initially, but the high expense of the war began to cause serious inflation and rising tax rates."
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761552642_4/Vietnam_War.html

"Those resources must be diverted to the war effort. Usually, inflation is the easiest way. World War I was largely financed by inflation, and so were the Revolutionary and Civil Wars before that. So, though on a smaller scale, was Vietnam."

http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/feature/2004/04/20/war_inflation/index.html
 

ntdz

Diamond Member
Aug 5, 2004
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Ferocious
heh...during the Clinton years low wage places had to offer signing bonuses to get people to apply.

Under Bush a Walmart opens with 200 jobs...and 5000 apply!
And for some reason, the left still hates walmart and claims that its a horrible place to work. Apparently the people applying to work there don't think that.
You don't understand why? It's because they'd desperate for any income to keep their heads above water.

And where would they be without Walmart? Homeless?
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
3
0
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Ferocious
heh...during the Clinton years low wage places had to offer signing bonuses to get people to apply.

Under Bush a Walmart opens with 200 jobs...and 5000 apply!
And for some reason, the left still hates walmart and claims that its a horrible place to work. Apparently the people applying to work there don't think that.
You don't understand why? It's because they'd desperate for any income to keep their heads above water.
And where would they be without Walmart? Homeless?
Possibly. Or living in dump apartments in seedier parts of town. Or, perhaps, having to give up a car and rely upon public transportation.

But, hey, your King George says anyone working 3 jobs to make ends meet is "uniquely American". :roll:
 
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