Free Vegetarian Starter Pack

[Ozmodiar]

I figured I would toss this out there to all of you people considering more natural eating lifestyles. I have no clue what my life would be like health wise if I hadn't changed some habits and eventually became vegan.

Im not hardcore vegan where I wont wear leather shoes cause I cant find a decent pair that dont contain it for work.

Oz

 

[chumbucket666]

What is it that your "tossing out" here? Yeah the political vegans who don't wear leather or eat honey because it's an "animal" product are psychos who give us health conscious vegans a bad name.


CB666

 

[Ozmodiar]

Lol sorry i meant to put this link in:

Link for free starter pack

Oz

 

[Kipper]

Thanks. Could use this - just started eating vegetarian five weeks ago and could use all the literature I can find.

Oh yes, and I didn't switch for health or political reasons - I switched for environmental reasons.

 

[ThePanda]

looks good.

and if you care (which you don't ), i am a vegetarian mainly because meat is nasty, especially bacon. when i see + smell the huge steaming vats of that stuff in the dining hall i feel like throwing up right in the vat . (I also don't believe in killing animals but I don't take it to extremes). But I guess I probably shouldn't be posting here because the last time I posted in a vegetarian thread some guy told me to either join the rest of the world or bury myself in my garden where i would not be missed (holy sh*t! it's easy to provoke people on here sometimes )

 

[Justincase]

>>>just started eating vegetarian five weeks ago and could use all the literature I can find.<<<

MCD (and anyone else interested): There are many ways to be an unhealthy vegetarian. If you really want to do it right, I might suggest that you look into books on the subject by Gary Null, Ph.D., including: The New Vegetarian Cookbook, The Complete Guide To Sensible Eating, Gary Null's International Vegetarian Cookbook, The Vegetarian Handbook, Gary Null's Ultimate Lifetime Diet : A Revolutionary All-Natural Program for Losing Weight and Building a Healthy Body, The Joy of Juicing : Creative Cooking With Your Juicer, Ultimate Training : Gary Null's Complete Guide to Eating Right, Vegetarian Cooking for Good Health, The Food-Mood-Body Connection: Nutrition-Based and Environmental Approaches to Mental Health and Physical Well-Being ...or Get Healthy Now! A Complete Guide to Prevention, Treatment and Healthy Living, The Complete Guide to Health and Nutrition...and others that I've probably forgotten. These books are the very best cutting-edge material that you will find on the subject, and are PROFUSELY footnoted with citations to the scientific/medical literature.

You can find many of the aforementioned books in any decent library/bookstore, or at Amazon (I think they carry about 60 of his books), or at Garynull.com (currently undergoing reconstruction).

 

[Kipper]

Thanks.

 

[SpongeBobPalmBay]

... just add meat.

 

[Ozmodiar]

There are some great links for eating a healthy and stuff at the following sites:

www.peta.org
www.goveg.com
www.milksucks.com

You can find more links at these places.

Anyone considering switching to more natural eating habits or interested in this stuff should watch the movie "Meet Your Meat" located here:

Meat Your Meat

When I first watched this, I definataly knew that I would never consume animal products again.

Anyone else watched this? LMK what you think.

Oz

 

[Dacalo]

That is some aweful stuff... I was gonna become a vegetarian and you just accelrated that process



<< There are some great links for eating a healthy and stuff at the following sites:

www.peta.org
www.goveg.com
www.milksucks.com

You can find more links at these places.

Anyone considering switching to more natural eating habits or interested in this stuff should watch the movie "Meet Your Meat" located here:

Meat Your Meat

When I first watched this, I definataly knew that I would never consume animal products again.

Anyone else watched this? LMK what you think.

Oz >>

 

[TekDemon]

grr!....meat 4 ever!

But seriously, as unhealthy as eating meat probably is, I can't give it up... It's just part of my diet and it's also a damn tasty part...mmmm...
Plus you should take creatin supplements just a bit if you're a vegan or else you're gonna become puny and scrawny

 

[LaBang]

Thanks for the freebie. I'm not a vegetarian but I have greatly reduced my meat consumption in the last 6 months. I also did it for enviromental reasons. Did you know it takes 8 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of red meat? If people ate just a little less meat, we would have far fewer hungry people and far less environmental damage. Vegetables taste good too!!!

 

[Loricariidae]

<< Plus you should take creatin supplements just a bit if you're a vegan or else you're gonna become puny and scrawny >>



LOL! I was (and still am) quite scrawy at 140 pounds and 5'11", even when I did consume meat. Turning veggie was good for my conscious.

If only I could give up smoking as easily as I gave up meat...

 

[fletchDodger]

"i'm a level 6 vegan. i don't eat anything that casts a shadow" - simpsons (might not have the quote exact)
hahah what a great line!

this is just an honest question, please don't take offense to it...but...(for vegetarians)

do you think it's wrong that other animals eat other animals? like a snake eating a mouse? if yes, why? if no, why is humans eating other animals any different?

 

[Micah]

My girlfriend is a vegetarian...so I am too on most nights (since we always cook & eat together), however some of that PETA stuff irritates the hell out of me. Animals have been eating other animals for about 3 billion years now. Suddenly in the last 50-100 years somebody decides it's morally wrong? Here's a quote from the PETA site offering the vegetarian starter kit:

In his or her lifetime, the average American meat-eater is responsible for the abuse and deaths of some 2,400 animals, including approximately 2,287 chickens, 92 turkeys, 31 pigs, and 12 steers and calves.

What about the lifetime of most tigers and lions? Should we chastise them too? Over my lifetime, I'll also be responsible for the deaths of countless mosquitos, but I don't see anyone shedding any tears for them.

Nothing against vegetarians, I just get irritated when other people stand on a pedestal and start casting shame on me.

 

[YoCheeseHead]

Micah--for me, the reason why eating meat is morally offensive has to do with the way animals are factory-farmed in the US.

Raising a small number of chickens in your backyard for food is natural and humane.

Raising thousands of chickens in battery cages is unnatural and cruel, particularly because we have an oversupply of meat in thiscountry. In fact, many of the factory farming techniques employed in the US have been outlawed by more progressive countries, such as the UK.

You also ask why it is okay for animals to eat other animals, but not for humans to eat other animals. I think one reason is because we are above that. Do you find slavery morally offensive? What about racism? Just because animals engage in behavior analogous to slavery and racism, does that justify humans engaging in such behavior?

 

[globalsecurity]

Yikes, and I just stared eating meat again after a five year absitance. Never thought I'd find a topic such as this in a place like this. Perhaps there is hope for humanity. Maybe I ought to re-think and abstain once again, for the same health, environmental, and humanitarian reasons that I first abstained.

PS - not that there is a whole lot humanitarian about humanity. AMERICA, the most over-fed, under-nourished nation on earth...YIKES!

scott@globalsecurity.com

 

[dpid]

ok...
maybe this is getting a bit "political" and of course getting off topic

but we have to consider whether it is right to kill another being for our personal benefit when there are other alternatives available

yes, other animals have been doing killing other animals,
but they do it because they don't have the capability to comprehend moral and intellectual dilemmas like humans do
if they did, then they would have resouces like us to find and use other methods of feeding themselves (maybe even be the compeiting species against humans).

but i have to say we as humans, we "maxed" out the food chain, and thus we are removed from it
anything we do can have detrimental effects on the chain

we cannot use reasoning that other animals participate in this "bloodshed" (killing of other beings) so we can too.
animals only do it because it is their nature.
humans, on the other hand, are past living this type of style.
we left the food chain when we found ways to cultivate food that nature did not directly provide us.

unless we go back thousands of years,
we cannot say that we are part of the food chain.

 

[bluemax]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see some real sensibility in this thread!!
Last time this exact same starter pack came up the thread simply filled up with stupidity.

Let me say this, while I'm 99% vegetarian and avoid pork totally (what I've learned - yikes!) I simply cannot support PETA's methods.
Just recently they "picketed" an adolescent-grade school by someone in a cow suit for their "Milk Sucks" campaign. I know perfectly well that dairy prods. are not healthy. (Check it out: Osteoporosis is only common in the developed nations that consume heavy dairy - in oriental developed nations where it is much less consumed it's practically nonexistant. "Drink Milk"... fah! Truth in advertising = nonexistant.) :|
But picketing 10-year-olds? That and the "Murder King" campaign... PETA needs a serious change so they don't get this hostile reaction from people.

I watched the "meet your meat" video a year ago... One thing I can't stand it's cruelty. Human or other. :|
The whole vegetarian or vegan "thing" is not so much about "eating animals is wrong" as it is "the cruel treatment of factory-production-animals which are unhealthy anyways" is a bit closer. It's 2:30 AM so I'm not speaking as eloquently as I could.

Did you also know how polluting a typical factory-ranch is? A mass-production hog farm (and they're 95% big business now, not the ranchers from days of old and TV shows) will produce as much.. er... "excretion" pollution as a city of over 50,000 people. Some much more than that. With NO SEWAGE TREATMENT! This waste is simply dumped wherever convenient. God help you if you're a farmer anywhere NEAR there - your ground water is likely heavily polluted, the air constantly stinks, and your crops will suffer from poisoned soil.

But hey, enough spewing random facts on the subject. I apologize... I have much to say and have done some fair research on the subject. I don't make decisions lightly.

 

[TekDemon]

personally I'd favor making higher animals more of a delicacy or something in the USA and eating "lower" animals more often. That way it's a)healthier and b)slightly more humane.

Fish and chicken are what I'm talking about and that's a lot healthier than beef and pork

Oh morals...let's not speak of morals lol. I'd still rather we not kill those nice piggies and umm cattlies(damn that didn't work) as often heh.

Oh and I definitely think those damn pork factories need to be stopped. Not only are the pigs not as healthy, the meat tastes like crap too. It's all because we think lean meat is better than meat that's laced with fat, like HEALTHY pigs have.

To hell with that, a bit of fat in the meat is what it's ALL about. mmm....tasty...mm... but as I said, delicacy! We don't need mass farms of pigs, we should mass farm chicken and grow fish or something as a staple meat source(or maybe worms or something lol...I dunno...someone figure it out lol), and keep some HEALTHY free-range cattle and pigs around for special occasions-like a steak on your birthday or something. Way better for the environment because those damn cattle mess everything up...

Plus no more mad cow disease! woohoo!

 

[Jfur]

another vegetarian here -- I just had my 16 year "anniversary" -- still haven't "wasted away" Seriously, though, anyone who believes that it is not possible to get adequate nutrition on a vegetarian diet is seriously misinformed or willfully stubborn. I don't think eating meat is wrong, by the way, but the current production system is really out of whack.

 

[biggPoppa]

bluemax - Yeah, I don't agree with the PETA actions you mentioned but I have seen softer, humorous billboards around town (Los Angeles) which I hope is the new trend. 1. A woman screams "I hate men's guts" (referring to the big bellies of overfed men/people) and 2. some funny reference relating male sexual impotency and meat eating. You're right, though, getting overly moralistic or radical is not the way to go about promoting vegetarianism, since there are so many easy to understand reasons (health, environment, humanitarian).

I'm not vegetarian but the GF is and I definitely believe in it's merit. We've found some great restaurants, recipies and even great tasting meat substitutes (BBQ ribs!) in specialty stores and online. I'll ask her and post the sites for those of you that don't have this stuff in the grocery stores around you. I must say we're lucky to live in a time when this stuff is accessible.

Anyone in the So. CA area should check out Native Foods Restaurants. Ralph's and Trader Joe's carries a good choice of Morningstar foods which are pretty tasty (they're now owned by Kellogg which shows that the food industry is paying attention). Also, you might try shopping at "ethnic" groceries since other cultures traditionally don't eat as much meat and have good alternatives.

If not entirely vegetarian, I hope we can move to a more moderate diet. I'm a father of a young child and the kids I see these days are UNHEALTHY, which has a lot to do with our overly rich diets. We're headed for some serious health issues in the next few decades.

Interesting topic. Thanks.

 

[huesmann]

Does that pack include something to take for all the farting you're gonna do?

 

[ChurchOfSubgenius]

Wish I could go vegan, it's just so much work (and I have enough gas as it is).
Go huesman! FIVE MORE POSTS!

 

[SpongeBobPalmBay]

It's so expensive and all I would do is poop.