FREEZING - OCZ memory tricks

[wicktron]

Hell, I just read Lost Circuit's review and it isn't even bad, it just shows they can't run at low latencies, which has been stated since day 1 that the modules were released. The top end speed of the OCZ is higher than the Corsair's, which is what they intended to do with the product as it was marketed for the 865/875 chipset.

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: stevejst

Read the thread at Xtremesystems, there are plenty of people defending OCZ

Sure, there are plenty of people buying and geting cheated which is exactly what this is. The OCZ business did not invent anything new technology-wise, else everybody would know that. The only thing they are able to do is to sell to uninformed.
By the way, this is not the first scandal they are involved in.

How is it cheating? Nobody on the face of the planet can run standard Samsung TCB-3 chips at PC3700+ (unless extreme voltages and cooling are introduced). OCZ was able to do this at 2-3-3-7, which is more impressive than Corsair's PC3700 at 3-4-4-8. It's like overclocking your system to make it seem like a 3GHz computer when it's really 2.4GHz. It's not cheating, it's improving an existing product.

And don't give me crap like (well, at least I'm not reselling the OC'ed computer as a 3GHz). Anybody can overclock, not anybody has the engineering prowess and manufacturing facilities to encapsulate RAM chips.

 

[Miramonti]

If its modded to run at pc3700 speeds, and is guaranteed to do so, its not forgery, they apparently have the rights to do so from samsung.

If however they don't run at 3700 speeds then its fraud, but that hasn't been the claim here.

Some people should get off their high horse, this stuff happens all the time.

 

[stevejst]

Hell, I just read Lost Circuit's review

I have read that before you did. A lot of questionable memory runs well in Canterwood and Springdale, GEIL for example. That does not make this forgery any less than it is, a forgery.

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: stevejst

I think if Samsung had a problem with this, they would have made a move a long time ago.

Foolish, you are assuming that Samsung knows that. I am sure that Samsung WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT if they know that.

Regarding this, read above:

Licensing and Disclosure : We have negotiated an agreement with Samsung Semi to allow us to physical modify SAMSUNG brand ICs . Samsung Semi will provide us with pre-graded 466Mhz and 500Mhz ICs for modification. In Exchange we are to provide SEC with the complete EL DDR guideline .

 

[wicktron]

In conclusion, boys and girls, it is NOT forgery. OCZ has permission from Samsung themselves to modify their chips. End of thread. Lock now.

 

[stevejst]

It's like overclocking your system to make it seem like a 3GHz computer when it's really 2.4GHz. It's not cheating, it's improving an existing product.

I wonder what would happen to a decent manufacturer, unlike shaddy business like OCZ, if they start to sell overclocked computers like that without informing the buyer. What do you think?

In conclusion, boys and girls, it is NOT forgery. OCZ has permission from Samsung themselves to modify their chips. End of thread. Lock now.

You are always free to leave Mr OCZ. Tell the boss you did what you could.

 

[erickotz]

If this memory runs at PC3700, as advertised, they are doing NOTHING wrong. Samsung is selling the chips as PC3200 and only testing them to that speed. OCZ (claims to) have a procedure that allows this chips to run at PC3700. If they do indeed run at that speed, there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. If they do not run at PC3700 speeds, then this is wrong. Keep in mind that the speed is primarily dependant on the quality of the silicon and the temperature it runs at. If they can keep the actual die cooler by removing packaging, it only makes sense that they can run it at a higher speed. Samsung may not even attempt to test chips to see if they operate beyond PC3200. OCZ is testing them, and selling them at the fastest speed they will run at. Sorry guys, if they run at the speed they are marked by OCZ, you have nothing to bitch about.

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: erickotz
If this memory runs at PC3700, as advertised, they are doing NOTHING wrong. Samsung is selling the chips as PC3200 and only testing them to that speed. OCZ (claims to) have a procedure that allows this chips to run at PC3700. If they do indeed run at that speed, there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. If they do not run at PC3700 speeds, then this is wrong. Keep in mind that the speed is primarily dependant on the quality of the silicon and the temperature it runs at. If they can keep the actual die cooler by removing packaging, it only makes sense that they can run it at a higher speed. Samsung may not even attempt to test chips to see if they operate beyond PC3200. OCZ is testing them, and selling them at the fastest speed they will run at. Sorry guys, if they run at the speed they are marked by OCZ, you have nothing to bitch about.

Exactly.
And no I am not Mr. OCZ. I do not work for them, and I have no affiliation with them other for the fact that I own sticks for their RAM. I have owned Samsung, Corsair, Kingston, TwinMos, Crucial, and none have given me any problem. OCZ follows this trend.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: erickotz
If this memory runs at PC3700, as advertised, they are doing NOTHING wrong.

Of course they are doing something wrong, and considering their deplorable history it is not at all surprising. They are claiming to use 4ns ICs when in fact they are using 6ns. This is an issue for people who don't want RAM coming overclocked from the factory.

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: erickotz
If this memory runs at PC3700, as advertised, they are doing NOTHING wrong.

Of course they are doing something wrong, and considering their deplorable history it is not at all surprising. They are claiming to use 4ns ICs when in fact they are using 6ns. This is an issue for people who don't want RAM coming overclocked from the factory.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ+EL+DDR+PC-3700+Gold

I don't see any claim of -4ns IC's

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: wixt0r


I don't see any claim of -4ns IC's

I do.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/semiconductors/

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ+EL+DDR+PC-3700

 

[wicktron]

On the EL DDR PC3700 link, it is nowhere to be found.

Their semiconductors are a whole 'nother story. They don't even say they use their own in-house IC's for their RAM.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: wixt0r
On the EL DDR PC3700 link, it is nowhere to be found.

Their semiconductors are a whole 'nother story. They don't even say they use their own in-house IC's.

This requires you to add 2 + 2 without me holding your hand.

From the 3700 page:

"Based on OCZ brand EL DDR IC"

Now, go over to the chart for their 466MHz parts. You'll note all are based on 4.3ns ICS(not 4, sorry).

 

[wicktron]

Branding is not production. If I write my name on something, that's branding. Slapping a heat-brand on a cow, that's branding. OCZ brands Samsung RAM chips.

The Semiconductors page shows no information regarding "EL DDR IC." Though the wording is vague and perhaps confusing, the fact that their product description says "Based on OCZ brand EL DDR IC" does not necessarily mean that they use in-house IC's that are listed on their Semiconductors page.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: wixt0r
Branding is not production. If I write my name on something, that's branding. Slapping a heat-brand on a cow, that's branding. OCZ brands Samsung RAM chips.

The Semiconductors page shows no information regarding "EL DDR IC." Though the wording is vague and perhaps confusing, the fact that their product description says "Based on OCZ brand EL DDR IC" does not necessarily mean that they use in-house IC's that are listed on their Semiconductors page.

This would be a fantastic argument if only OCZ actually produced ICs. They do not.

 

[wicktron]

I understand that, but just the fact that the product description says "branded" rather than "produced" opens up a myriad of possibilities of what it can really mean. One could assume for days whether or not they use the IC's listed on their Semiconductors page, but the fact remains that through the wording of the description alone means that it can or can not be true.

Even if you were correct in this case, how is this any different from AMD/Intel binning chips and labelling differently because of yields. Just because an IC was originally labelled -5ns or -6ns does not mean that a process cannot necessarily make them a -4.3ns part. Is there actually any governing body that says there is some sort of direct correlation between original manufacturing of IC's at a particular -ns and processing the IC to run at another -ns rating? If there is, and there is proof that one cannot modify an IC to run at a different -ns rating, then and only then will I believe that OCZ is wrong. Otherwise, they are just improving product using their "EL DDR process," which is undoubtedly engineering ingenious on their part.

 

[orion7144]

There is an OCZ marketing guy at one of the other forums. The problems they had a few years ago were not thier fault. Several companies were buying cheap ram and rebadging it as OCZ. This is an old story. OCZ's current memory they even say are samsung chips that they have found a new process to make them better. I am a true believer in OCZ since it is the only memory that will work half way decent with my IS7. I have tried Kingston, Crucial (worst of the bunch), Geil (2nd best) and Micron. OCZ is the only company that would actually replace my sticks under warranty since they did not perform to "My" standards. The others said it was a BIOS issuse and would not replace them. OCZ sent me a better Dual DDR set without charging me more. Not to mention that they are already cheaper than the rest. I now have OCZ in all of my PC's. That kind of customer service is going to get them the market share they deserve. Here is a link for you all Here

 

[Acanthus]

If it works... why does it matter what they did.

If you dont like it, dont buy it.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
If it works... why does it matter what they did.

If you dont like it, dont buy it.

exactly, a lot of makers do the same thing, there's a lot of rebranded Lite-On cdrw's out there with different names on it.


stevejst and wixt0r stop arguing & look at this Picture

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: orion7144
There is an OCZ marketing guy at one of the other forums.

Yes, it's really quite tragic. If I knew nothing of OCZ, I'd avoid them simply for the fact that they employ such buffoons.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Haha, wixt0r, do you realize the kind of company you're defending? It's been known for YEARS that ocz is a total con job. Google around, or search archives here, I'm sure you can dig up the relevant stuff.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Budman


exactly, a lot of makers do the same thing, there's a lot of rebranded Lite-On cdrw's out there with different names on it.

No, that is NOT the same thing. It would only be the same thing if some company rebranded a 48x drive as 52x.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Haha, wixt0r, do you realize the kind of company you're defending? It's been known for YEARS that ocz is a total con job. Google around, or search archives here, I'm sure you can dig up the relevant stuff.

Also do a search for the Overclockerz Store, I believe they're one and the same. There used to be a user here named AmandaOCZ or somesuch to defend them in some of the threads about them!

Actually, tell you what . . . read it and weep.

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Etc. . . . there's tons of stuff in the archives.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Game, Set, and Match goes to X-Man.

If you have bought OCZ ram recently and are quite pleased with it then good for you! But I'm not at all surprised to hear they may be up to no good again. However, to defend OCZ is equivalent to being on OJ's defense team