fur

[Frew]

woah

 

[virtuamike]

How else do you think they get the fur off? Ask the animal nicely?

 

[Shame]

Now I am hungry! Can some post a .wmv on how sausage is made?

 

[rahvin]

I've shot, gutted and skined and then wore the skin of animals and will do so in the future.

Nothing to see here people.

 

[illustri]

why do you think your supermarket packs of mutton chops don't have balls of wool in them?

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: rahvin
I've shot, gutted and skined and then wore the skin of animals and will do so in the future.

Nothing to see here people.

Did you skin animals alive?

 

[vi edit]

And how do you think you got those leather shoes you are wearing? Or how about the leather on your car seats? Or the leather on the baseball or basketball or football you like to watch?

Yeh it's not a pretty process, but it has to get done some how.

<---- grew up with a father who trapped, skinned, and tanned furs for extra $$$.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: rahvin
I've shot, gutted and skined and then wore the skin of animals and will do so in the future.

Nothing to see here people.

Did you skin animals alive?

Did they do that in the video? I'm on a slow connection and don't feel like downloading it. I can tell you first hand that in the THOUSANDS of animal pelts I've seen skinned, fleshed, and tanned, I have NEVER seen it done to a live animal.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: XXXXXX
http://myweb.hinet.net/home8/drcolin/fur.wmv

You know what is funny? I watched the whole thing, and still sipped my Great Lakes "Blackout Stout" without batting an eye. But hey, I actually enjoy field dressing a deer, so... YMMV.

BTW, the stout is pretty darn good.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: rahvin
I've shot, gutted and skined and then wore the skin of animals and will do so in the future.

Nothing to see here people.

Did you skin animals alive?

No but I walked up and cut their throat while they were still alive.

Don't generalize, PETA and the animal rights groups find isolated incidents and act like it's common practice throughout the industry and it's not. Most of the animals taken for their pelts are mean little fvcking rodents, the workers at mink farms have to wear chainmail gloves and steel gauntlets lest they be ripped to shreds. I don't have much sympathy for them, nor will I ever. I don't support abuse of the animals and I think it sould be punished if they are inflicting unecessary pain but I do NOT have a problem with taking pelts.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: rahvin
I've shot, gutted and skined and then wore the skin of animals and will do so in the future.

Nothing to see here people.

Did you skin animals alive?

No but I walked up and cut their throat while they were still alive.

Don't generalize, PETA and the animal rights groups find isolated incidents and act like it's common practice throughout the industry and it's not. Most of the animals taken for their pelts are mean little fvcking rodents, the workers at mink farms have to wear chainmail gloves and steel gauntlets lest they be ripped to shreds. I don't have much sympathy for them, nor will I ever. I don't support abuse of the animals and I think it sould be punished if they are inflicting unecessary pain but I do NOT have a problem with taking pelts.

So why are you defending cruel treatment of animals by saying that "people have always used skins"? That's like defending use of agent orange on innocent people by saying "people have always fought wars".

 

[illustri]

animals aren't people.

 

[Schrodinger]

Originally posted by: illustri
animals aren't people.

But people are animals. KILL EM ALL!

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: illustri
animals aren't people.

But people are animals. KILL EM ALL!

rocks aren't diamonds but diamonds are rocks
trade your diamond for a rock?

 

[MichaelD]

This thread makes me want to renew my LIFE membership in the NRA.

As has been very well said by rahvin and others; I don't condone, like, get off on the torture of animals.

Honestly, it bothers me to see them skinned while still twitching.

That said, I have no problem humanely killing animals and when dead, skinning them. There's no pain or suffering there.

We are at the top of the food chain, period. You may not like it, but no matter how you punch the buttons on the Weenie Softie Pussilator 5000, humans are still at the top of the food chain.

I have hunted, helped skin (yeah...I needed help b/c I didn't know where to cut) a deer and watched the carcass get butchered. It was pretty educational, actually. Most of the meat was eaten by my buddies' family. I got about 10 pounds of Deer Jerky out it...awesome stuff.

AFAIC, there's three groups of people with this animal thing.

Those that oppose killing animals for any reason at all, not even if it means them starving.
Those that completely support killiing animals for food and clothing, but doing it humanely (that's me)
Those that don't care if it's still completely alive, they'll bite into it, eat it, skin it and screw it (that would be many Bubbas and the 3rd world peoples depicted in the video at the top of this thread)

That's my take and tough noogies if you don't like it.

 

[vi edit]

So why are you defending cruel treatment of animals by saying that "people have always used skins"? That's like defending use of agent orange on innocent people by saying "people have always fought wars".

He'll never be able to persuade you one way or another. You hold the root opinion that killing an animal for it's fur is cruel at the most basic of levels. No quick and painless means of death could persuade you to think any other way.

Bottom line is - the world is a cruel place. Some kid in China probably get's paid $.10 a day to put my laptop together that I'm typing on. Some woman in Mexico gets paid $.25 a day to sew together my sheets bedding linens. Some woman lost a husband who died getting oil off an oil rig to fuel your car. Some woman lost a son defending your freedom. Some poor mouse is still alive as a bird of prey disembowels it. Some raccoon takes a .22 to the head before it gets thrown in the back of a truck and hauled off to a trappers garage to get prepared to be a coat.

Look around you right now. Probably half the products in your room came from the pain and suffering of someone or something that was taken advantage of.

I'm not saying it's right. It's just the way it is.

 

[Schrodinger]

Okay I watched some of the video. Highly disgusting. There is a right way and a wrong way of doing things. They should properly ensure the animals are killed much faster.

Do animals suffer in the wild? Sure. But humans are above that. Well, some of us are. That video is from a 3rd world area so you can't really expect much from the "people" on the footage.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
That video is from a 3rd world area so you can't really expect much from the "people" on the footage.

you're right, we should just kill everyone in the third world since they aren't human:roll:

Please DIAF, idiot.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
This thread makes me want to renew my LIFE membership in the NRA.

As has been very well said by rahvin and others; I don't condone, like, get off on the torture of animals.

Honestly, it bothers me to see them skinned while still twitching.

That said, I have no problem humanely killing animals and when dead, skinning them. There's no pain or suffering there.

We are at the top of the food chain, period. You may not like it, but no matter how you punch the buttons on the Weenie Softie Pussilator 5000, humans are still at the top of the food chain.

I have hunted, helped skin (yeah...I needed help b/c I didn't know where to cut) a deer and watched the carcass get butchered. It was pretty educational, actually. Most of the meat was eaten by my buddies' family. I got about 10 pounds of Deer Jerky out it...awesome stuff.

AFAIC, there's three groups of people with this animal thing.

Those that oppose killing animals for any reason at all, not even if it means them starving.
Those that completely support killiing animals for food and clothing, but doing it humanely (that's me)
Those that don't care if it's still completely alive, they'll bite into it, eat it, skin it and screw it (that would be many Bubbas and the 3rd world peoples depicted in the video at the top of this thread)

That's my take and tough noogies if you don't like it.

Actually, 10 lbs of jerky is quite a lot of raw meat. You lose a lot of water weight when you dry it out.

EDIT: and if you think the jerky is awesome, try some tenderloin.

I've always wondered what would the result be like if you made jerky out of venison tenderloin. But I've never wasted any tenderloin from one of my kills to find out.

 

[vi edit]

Actually, 10 lbs of jerky is quite a lot of raw meat. You lose a lot of water weight when you dry it out.

Yeh, especially considering that a "average" sized deer might get you about 50-60 pounds of desireable cuts of meat. Less for younger deer that are more tender and oh so yummy...more for older larger deer that are like chewing on a tire

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
But humans are above that. Well, some of us are.

don't kid yourself
you're only above those you're willing to step on

 

[MichaelD]

Um, OK. The real hunter-gatherers have checked in.

I guess I actually wound up with 1.43 Kgs of actual processed meat, after cleaning, shrinking, seasoning, state tax, sales tax and shrinkage in cold weather. :roll:

Whatever! I shot the damn thing, got bloody when I cut an artery, hauled it to the butcher and then I got a plastic bag a few days later.

Shhhhieeet, you guys get technical with some non-technical stuff here....

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Actually, 10 lbs of jerky is quite a lot of raw meat. You lose a lot of water weight when you dry it out.

Yeh, especially considering that a "average" sized deer might get you about 50-60 pounds of desireable cuts of meat. Less for younger deer that are more tender and oh so yummy...more for older larger deer that are like chewing on a tire

With older deer, about all you can do with half of the meat is either jerky or sausage. OTOH, when I was hunting my uncle's place with the goal of population control, and we harvested between the four of us 9 young does and a couple of older does (none of us shot a buck that year)... god-D@MN was that some good steaks. Absolutely OUTSTANDING. Especially fresh (ie, never frozen) and cooked rare. It spoiled me though, and beef steaks havent been the same since.

But those deer needed to die, his place was losing vegetation fast. But we got them just before the lack of food really kicked in and they soon would have been too lean to really enjoy.

 

[natto fire]

If it's any consolation, the human race is pretty much screwed. Overpopulation is already a big concern, and with people finding new ways to keep humans alive that should be dead it is only going to get worse. Anyhow even if we figure out that problem, there is still the fact that the sun will burn out eventually and kill pretty much all life on earth.

Won't happen in my lifetime, cheers.
:beer:

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Um, OK. The real hunter-gatherers have checked in.

I guess I actually wound up with 1.43 Kgs of actual processed meat, after cleaning, shrinking, seasoning, state tax, sales tax and shrinkage in cold weather. :roll:

Whatever! I shot the damn thing, got bloody when I cut an artery, hauled it to the butcher and then I got a plastic bag a few days later.

Shhhhieeet, you guys get technical with some non-technical stuff here....

I thought you meant you got 10 lbs of actual jerky. Which is a big portion of your deer. 10lbs of meat that was made into jerky is another (much smaller) matter.

I didnt mean to get technical, just tell you that I thought you got a bigger portion of said deer than you thought you did. You should have asked for some of the steaks too, though, even if it meant giving up some jerky, because venison steaks are much much better than beef steaks.

But to find out for yourself, all you have to do is shoot another deer. Or bludgeon it with a baseball bat (something that I actually considered doing to a HUGE buck that walked through my front yard one day).

Also, about getting bloody: I dont think you could have gotten any bloodier than I got after bagging my first deer and being "blooded" by my uncle. My aunt thought I had gutted it and then rolled around inside it's ribcage or something.