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[imported_Lucifer]

I love animals. That almost made me shed a tear.

They were lucky I wasnt there. :|

 

[OulOat]

If someone skinned a PETA activist, I would wear it.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
I love animals. That almost made me shed a tear.

They were lucky I wasnt there. :|

you'd probably get bitten

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
I love animals. That almost made me shed a tear.

They were lucky I wasnt there. :|

Are you a vegan?

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

So why are you defending cruel treatment of animals by saying that "people have always used skins"? That's like defending use of agent orange on innocent people by saying "people have always fought wars".

He'll never be able to persuade you one way or another. You hold the root opinion that killing an animal for it's fur is cruel at the most basic of levels. No quick and painless means of death could persuade you to think any other way.

Bottom line is - the world is a cruel place. Some kid in China probably get's paid $.10 a day to put my laptop together that I'm typing on. Some woman in Mexico gets paid $.25 a day to sew together my sheets bedding linens. Some woman lost a husband who died getting oil off an oil rig to fuel your car. Some woman lost a son defending your freedom. Some poor mouse is still alive as a bird of prey disembowels it. Some raccoon takes a .22 to the head before it gets thrown in the back of a truck and hauled off to a trappers garage to get prepared to be a coat.

Look around you right now. Probably half the products in your room came from the pain and suffering of someone or something that was taken advantage of.

I'm not saying it's right. It's just the way it is.

What gives you the idea that I think that killing animals for their fur is cruel? I don't see any difference between killing for fur or killing for meat (or leather).

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
I love animals. That almost made me shed a tear.

They were lucky I wasnt there. :|

Are you a vegan?

No. I'm a vegetarian.

I am one of those who loves animals.

 

[Baked]

It's beautiful. Talking about the fur, not the video.

 

[Lorn]

Horrible horrible horrible. So sad. But, as another member said, that's the way it is. But you'd think it wouldn't be so hard to just slam them on the ground again to make sure they're really dead/knocked the fvck out.

 

[zakee00]

ok people, cmon this isnt P&N

 

[Taejin]

I actually don't care about animals being killed to be eaten/used as fur/etc.

But they need to *kill* the animals first. Skinning them alive is unnecessary suffering.

 

[Taejin]

I feel kind of sick. There is no way that animal that just got skin should be alive. They *NEED* to kill those animals before skinning them. I don't understand why they are doing this.

 

[So]

Why do people throw paint on fur coats but not leather? Because it is easier to attack a rich woman than a biker gang.
-- Saw that on a bumper sticker, or a picture of a bumper sticker.

 

[0roo0roo]

no problem as long as they are dispached humanely.

 

[gflores]

Oh my God, that was disturbing.

 

[Schrodinger]

Originally posted by: Taejin
I actually don't care about animals being killed to be eaten/used as fur/etc.

But they need to *kill* the animals first. Skinning them alive is unnecessary suffering.

Exactly. Most people wouldn't object to these becoming coats, but God just cut off the head. Quick and fast. A little less fur and a lot more humane. Oh wait... greed wins out for the few extra inches of fur.

I don't care if its to feed their brood of six dozen kids in a one-room paper and mud hut. Stop making babies if thats what it takes.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: rahvin
I've shot, gutted and skined and then wore the skin of animals and will do so in the future.

Nothing to see here people.

Honestly, there is generally nothing wrong with that given the way the world works.
That said, in these videos, that is not what is in question.

Skinning animals alive, or skinning anything alive, serves to remove any differentiation between man and beast in its cruelty. It is the concept of epathy that gives man self-respect. Animals are quite cruel to each other, whic his why they will not ascend to social power as humanity has.

That is why, in my opinion, anyone who serves to eliminate or harm the self-respect of man should be eliminated.


Keep in mind that I have been emotionally influenced by having jsut seen those videos, but generally, I think that people that do such thigns have lost their right to live peaceful and fufilling lives. Generally, these people should be removed from surroundings, and should be dumped in the wild, to live in fear of the animals around them without the protection and resources of humanity.


EMO-ORIENTED RESPONSE: FVKING TRASH IS WHAT THEY ARE:|

 

[0roo0roo]

well its showing the worst of the worst obviously. i mean seriously, too lazy to club the animal a few more times atleast? but its not damning of fur in general. the people and surroundings seem to be of a rather poor remote place. i guess being close to nature doesnt do much for empathy..

anyways, it was disturbing yes. but so would a video of a cow being butchered alive without being knocked out first. those people are simply lazy bastards. bonk on head more, shoot, gas, injection, so many options..theres no excuse for inhumane killing.

 

[Amused]

And the pussification of America (and most of Western civilization) continues...

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: malak
Humans have been using fur for clothes for thousands of years, get over it.

Back in the day fur coats were a byproduct. People hunted for and killed animals. They'd use EVERYTHING. Eat the meat. Make tools out of the bones. Wear the skin and fur.

This bullshlt is different.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

we do worse things to fellow humans - did you read the scalping article from yesterday?

they are just animals

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
This thread makes me want to renew my LIFE membership in the NRA.

As has been very well said by rahvin and others; I don't condone, like, get off on the torture of animals.

Honestly, it bothers me to see them skinned while still twitching.

That said, I have no problem humanely killing animals and when dead, skinning them. There's no pain or suffering there.

We are at the top of the food chain, period. You may not like it, but no matter how you punch the buttons on the Weenie Softie Pussilator 5000, humans are still at the top of the food chain.

I have hunted, helped skin (yeah...I needed help b/c I didn't know where to cut) a deer and watched the carcass get butchered. It was pretty educational, actually. Most of the meat was eaten by my buddies' family. I got about 10 pounds of Deer Jerky out it...awesome stuff.

AFAIC, there's three groups of people with this animal thing.

Those that oppose killing animals for any reason at all, not even if it means them starving.
Those that completely support killiing animals for food and clothing, but doing it humanely (that's me)
Those that don't care if it's still completely alive, they'll bite into it, eat it, skin it and screw it (that would be many Bubbas and the 3rd world peoples depicted in the video at the top of this thread)

That's my take and tough noogies if you don't like it.

Good post, I agree with you. But if you watch the video though, some of the animals are still alive when they are done with them. Those guys need to be tasered in the nuts.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
That video is from a 3rd world area so you can't really expect much from the "people" on the footage.

you're right, we should just kill everyone in the third world since they aren't human:roll:
Please DIAF, idiot.

I agree with Schrodinger...
Those are not people... they are just animals. The only thing that separates us from animals, is compassion. Laughing at a skinned animal that is still alive is hideous.

I have no problem with skinning an animal... but kill it first.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Amused
And the pussification of America (and most of Western civilization) continues...

I hope you're being sarcastic...

Manliness feeds off of honor and integrity.

Actions such as those in that video are what actually display "pussification." These acts of archane torture demonstrate a lack of honor and integrity. There is honor to be found in taking down a large bull to feed ones family or to earn ones pay. That said, skinning an animal alive when the impending struggle suggests that the only plausible motive is torture displays anything but honor. What form of integrity do those actions display as well? Almost every moral compass imgainable, from the ones that cowboys in Montana follow to those of of the Middle East, is against such vile and inhumane actions. They adhere to no acceptable standard of pragmatic human conduct, which is what has allowed humanity to dominate this earth, and certainly do not represent any human ideals.

WE are not the pussies. THEY are the pussies.:|

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: villageidiot111
I heard today that Peta supports fur, at least when the homeless wear it.

wierd

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
we do worse things to fellow humans - did you read the scalping article from yesterday?

they are just animals

Why shift the conversation to a point of equivocation and justification, when even that point is not acceptable?

Having others commit more agregious attrocities justifies NOTHING.

That's like saying Capital Murder isn't that bad since it isn't the equivalent of a Nazi Death Camp.