Future Upgrade

Kraeoss

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hi AT guys i need your help once again this time i am planning for the future(nov 08) ok so i wanna switch platforms going intel this time seeing that's where BFB really is my budget is really small $200 usd. shipping included which roughly converts to $1800 tt / $9.

what i'm looking for is cheap yet able to go for about 6-8 mths till i get more cash for a better upgrade. items needed are

1. CPU avg: 90 usd
2. Motherboard avg: 100 usd

saw a p45 gigabyte board for 99.99 @ newegg this

so all i think i really need help is on the cpu.
suggestions on alternative board are welcome

thx
 

Denithor

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e5200 (2.5GHz, 2MB cache) $85
e7200 (2.53GHz, 3MB cache) $120

The e5200 is really the only option if you're spending $100 on the mobo and are capped at $200. The e7200 has 50% more cache and appears to overclock more easily/at lower voltage (based on a lot of comments from around the net) but it also costs 40% more and will exceed your budget slightly.
 

Kraeoss

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i dont live in the usa (caribbean trinidad to be exact) would it be wise to buy like an open box motherboard from newegg ? also where will i get that E7200 used @ 100 from ?
 

starfireone

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I have always use Gigabyte boards. They are as reliable if not better than most boards ane the EP45 board sales well and is used by a lot of folks. I just love the built-in BIOS flasher QFlasher that comes with Gigabytes boards. I would suggest not going any cheaper with a motherboard. The motherboard is really the heart and sole of a PC.
 

Kraeoss

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?Item=N82E16813127049R

ok looking @ this board i'm guessing abit a little better if not the same as gigabyte

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?Item=N82E16813128337R

also i need a few suggestions for a psu capable of handling an 8800 GT, and would like to know what is the total power required by this rig:

sempron 2800+(soon to be a E2180)
asrock am2nf6g-vsta(soon to be an GA-EP35-DS3L)
2.5 gb markvision memory(soon to be 2x1 gb corsair xms2 pc 6400 ddr2)
2 hdd's wd40 and wd80
lite on dvd-rw
zerotherm nirvana 120 hsf.
 

myocardia

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Just so you know, you will have to have an older processor to put in any of those motherboards first, so you can flash the BIOS to a new version that supports 45nm processors. If you put a 45nm processor in them first, it will "destroy" the BIOS, making it unreadable by any CPU, including an older, supported one. That goes double for Gigabyte's new boards, which store their backup BIOS on the hard drive. You will then have to send it back to Gigabyte, and pay them to reflash the BIOS. This has happened to numerous people who didn't know any better. It's also the reason that you hardly ever see Gigabyte boards being recommended these days, like they were not very long ago.
 

Kraeoss

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but the e2180 is a 65 nm chip so it'll work right out of the box. or am i mistaken ?
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: myocardia
If you put a 45nm processor in them first, it will "destroy" the BIOS, making it unreadable by any CPU, including an older, supported one. That goes double for Gigabyte's new boards, which store their backup BIOS on the hard drive.
That's the first I've ever heard of that. And most of the new Gigabyte boards have hardware dual-bios. Haven't heard of backup BIOS on HD either.

(How would that even work? If the BIOS is bad/unworkable, how is it going to access the HD to get to the backup BIOS, if the BIOS doesn't work to read the HD? It can't!)
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: Kraeoss
but the e2180 is a 65 nm chip so it'll work right out of the box. or am i mistaken ?

Yes, that's the exact processor that I used myself. Any processor that was released before the P45 chipset was released will work just fine.

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
That's the first I've ever heard of that. And most of the new Gigabyte boards have hardware dual-bios. Haven't heard of backup BIOS on HD either.

I do believe that Gigabyte is the first board maker to try it. Unless they've already had so many problems with it, that they've stopped using it, it applies to all of their boards that the names start with EP. BTW, you wouldn't hear about it, unless someone made the mistake I mentioned in my first post, or wiped their hard drive (it writes the data to the boot sector), then had a failed overclock or other change to the BIOS that wouldn't allow the board to post.

(How would that even work? If the BIOS is bad/unworkable, how is it going to access the HD to get to the backup BIOS, if the BIOS doesn't work to read the HD? It can't!)

Exactly the same way that a failed overclock with any other board works. Motherboards have other "code" they use, besides the actual CMOS. If there's a no-POST situation, the motherboard instead goes to whatever it uses as it's backup (which it does with no help from the CMOS). With most boards, it's just a duplicate copy of the stock CMOS, that's stored in the EEPROM. The Gigabyte boards are just storing it in on the hard drive's boot sector. As long as you don't change hard drives (without ghosting the old partition to the new one), or delete the partion or overwrite the boot sector for any reason, it would presumably work exactly like other boards work with a failed POST.

edit: The other code they use is called a BIOS. You can't make changes to your BIOS, when you press Delete or F2, on boot, you're only making changes to your CMOS, which isn't the same thing as a BIOS. The two are related (very, very related), but they aren't the same thing.
 

Kraeoss

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ok after much deliberation i now see that with my budget i cant get that 8800GT with my generic psu @ 430w overall and 18A on the +12v rail can i get the radeon hd 4670 ? well just for now ? till i upgrade the psu to something better ? also can a 4670 and a 4850 be cF'ed ? just asking
 
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