FX-53 fails Prime95 immediately!

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blckgrffn

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Actually, I wasn't really calling him a troll; I was more interested in how the chips failed because I have had seven AMD chips (and four Intel chips) and never had any fail (except for the unfortunate water cooling incident which was most decidedly user error) so I was simply curious. I am tired and should of worded it differently but have had some interesting exchanges with Felix in the past. If I insulted or implied you were lying I apologize. I don't particularly care for the search function on this forum but will try thanks.

I admit I was slighlty irritated/interested in his "wasn't surprising" remark implying that AMD chips fail a lot? and I guess that irritated me a little. Sorry.

Edit: I forgot to mention since I don't have all the working chips (sold the computers/gave them away/threw them away) I couldn't prove they were all working but I was implying AMD failed and insinuated that that isn't surprising so I became curious to how they failed because I definitely had a chip "fail" but that was due to my error as I stated.

uggh. Ok this is the last time for people who dont search:

It was two 1700xps on a iwill xp333 board. Both were unlocked. Both were taken to the limit on air. Both only lasted a few days at those speeds. One died and never recovered. The other did live about week longer at stock and then started producing blue screens thereafter. Total crap.

has nothing to do with this thread...

No, but it sure is funny to hear someone whining about baking their chips on air...

I don't even want to know what the voltage was

Oh please. I treated those chips like I would any Intel chip and gave them a good thrashing. Ive been O/Cing since 1991 and I probably have more experience than all of you combined ^2. Those chips bit the dust. They couldn't handle it.

NOW I know AMD quality has vastly improved since the XP and has alot more tolerance built in, and I was about to give x2 a whirl since its been six years. But Intel announced a surperior product making that decision mute.

If something fails you, say so. Dont be afraid of a backlash or criticism by zealots (they know who they are). Ive had tons of p4s and not 1 death.

well you obviously did not"thrash" your P4's much....Ever heard of SNDS? It killed quite a few northwoods in overclocking...It was about giving a bit too much vcore eventhough the temps were well within the opertaing parameters...

Then came the prescotts which have been heaters since day one....While thermal throttling has definitely saved them from burn out they can still die or get damaged from excessive vcore....I true ocer that "thrashes" their cpus likely would have done this in their process of learning...

I killed one northwood 1.8a by giving it 1.75v....even though my load temps were only in the mid 50's......Never killed an athlon yet so what does that say???


Your "not surprising" comment shows you for the troll you are and what you were really trying to do and that is your normal M.O....incite and inflame....

I think if you continue that practice of quoting ppl and then changing their words as if they said it I will ask for your vacation as well....Mods dont let this practice continue...

So you admitted that you didnt know what you were doing, killed a cpu as a result, and threw an insult in to boot. What a man. :thumbsdown:

Unlike you, I know not to overvolt. Those XP chips sucked. Period.

You need to be stripped of your title, because your attitude and behavior is unbecomming. Grow up already and stop being so childish.

I think I know quite a bit more then you and if you ever ventured over to XS back in the day you will knoe the ppl who killed more northwoods were the extreme ocers who were using water systems and thought just cause the temps were low they were fine going 1.8+v....

XP's did not suck....Back in the day the Xp's were a lot easier to "crack" the cores with the lack of an IHS, and amounted to most of the deaths I ever saw around here


The last part wont happen cause even in the end I give more to this community then a one sided partisan view as you merrily troll along.


As long as you crap as you troll I will follow you around to wipe your nose in it...the easy way to house break a stray cat!!!!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blckgrffn

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Actually, I wasn't really calling him a troll; I was more interested in how the chips failed because I have had seven AMD chips (and four Intel chips) and never had any fail (except for the unfortunate water cooling incident which was most decidedly user error) so I was simply curious. I am tired and should of worded it differently but have had some interesting exchanges with Felix in the past. If I insulted or implied you were lying I apologize. I don't particularly care for the search function on this forum but will try thanks.

I admit I was slighlty irritated/interested in his "wasn't surprising" remark implying that AMD chips fail a lot? and I guess that irritated me a little. Sorry.

Edit: I forgot to mention since I don't have all the working chips (sold the computers/gave them away/threw them away) I couldn't prove they were all working but I was implying AMD failed and insinuated that that isn't surprising so I became curious to how they failed because I definitely had a chip "fail" but that was due to my error as I stated.

uggh. Ok this is the last time for people who dont search:

It was two 1700xps on a iwill xp333 board. Both were unlocked. Both were taken to the limit on air. Both only lasted a few days at those speeds. One died and never recovered. The other did live about week longer at stock and then started producing blue screens thereafter. Total crap.

has nothing to do with this thread...

No, but it sure is funny to hear someone whining about baking their chips on air...

I don't even want to know what the voltage was

Oh please. I treated those chips like I would any Intel chip and gave them a good thrashing. Ive been O/Cing since 1991 and I probably have more experience than all of you combined ^2. Those chips bit the dust. They couldn't handle it.

NOW I know AMD quality has vastly improved since the XP and has alot more tolerance built in, and I was about to give x2 a whirl since its been six years. But Intel announced a surperior product making that decision mute.

If something fails you, say so. Dont be afraid of a backlash or criticism by zealots (they know who they are). Ive had tons of p4s and not 1 death.

well you obviously did not"thrash" your P4's much....Ever heard of SNDS? It killed quite a few northwoods in overclocking...It was about giving a bit too much vcore eventhough the temps were well within the opertaing parameters...

Then came the prescotts which have been heaters since day one....While thermal throttling has definitely saved them from burn out they can still die or get damaged from excessive vcore....I true ocer that "thrashes" their cpus likely would have done this in their process of learning...

I killed one northwood 1.8a by giving it 1.75v....even though my load temps were only in the mid 50's......Never killed an athlon yet so what does that say???


Your "not surprising" comment shows you for the troll you are and what you were really trying to do and that is your normal M.O....incite and inflame....

I think if you continue that practice of quoting ppl and then changing their words as if they said it I will ask for your vacation as well....Mods dont let this practice continue...

So you admitted that you didnt know what you were doing, killed a cpu as a result, and threw an insult in to boot. What a man. :thumbsdown:

Unlike you, I know not to overvolt. Those XP chips sucked. Period.

You need to be stripped of your title, because your attitude and behavior is unbecomming. Grow up already and stop being so childish.

I think I know quite a bit more then you and if you ever ventured over to XS back in the day you will knoe the ppl who killed more northwoods were the extreme ocers who were using water systems and thought just cause the temps were low they were fine going 1.8+v....

XP's did not suck....Back in the day the Xp's were a lot easier to "crack" the cores with the lack of an IHS, and amounted to most of the deaths I ever saw around here


The last part wont happen cause even in the end I give more to this community then a one sided partisan view as you merrily troll along.


As long as you crap as you troll I will follow you around to wipe your nose in it...the easy way to house break a stray cat!!!!

Your view is all AMD all the time and its all crap. Now go wipe your nose as you have crap on it again from trolling this thread.

:laugh:

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Your view is all AMD all the time and its all crap. Now go wipe your nose as you have crap on it again from trolling this thread.

:laugh:

[offtopic]

your only comment to the OP regard his problem...

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

$900 processor no good?

Ive had two AMD chips die on me, so this is not surprising. Ive never had an Intel die on me yet.

Can you just leave rather than try to derail this thread further?

[/offtopic]


I'm actually curious to find out of it is the motherboard. Would it be a possibility to just get a dirt cheap agp card and plug the CPU into the old motherboard?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blckgrffn

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Actually, I wasn't really calling him a troll; I was more interested in how the chips failed because I have had seven AMD chips (and four Intel chips) and never had any fail (except for the unfortunate water cooling incident which was most decidedly user error) so I was simply curious. I am tired and should of worded it differently but have had some interesting exchanges with Felix in the past. If I insulted or implied you were lying I apologize. I don't particularly care for the search function on this forum but will try thanks.

I admit I was slighlty irritated/interested in his "wasn't surprising" remark implying that AMD chips fail a lot? and I guess that irritated me a little. Sorry.

Edit: I forgot to mention since I don't have all the working chips (sold the computers/gave them away/threw them away) I couldn't prove they were all working but I was implying AMD failed and insinuated that that isn't surprising so I became curious to how they failed because I definitely had a chip "fail" but that was due to my error as I stated.

uggh. Ok this is the last time for people who dont search:

It was two 1700xps on a iwill xp333 board. Both were unlocked. Both were taken to the limit on air. Both only lasted a few days at those speeds. One died and never recovered. The other did live about week longer at stock and then started producing blue screens thereafter. Total crap.

has nothing to do with this thread...

No, but it sure is funny to hear someone whining about baking their chips on air...

I don't even want to know what the voltage was

Oh please. I treated those chips like I would any Intel chip and gave them a good thrashing. Ive been O/Cing since 1991 and I probably have more experience than all of you combined ^2. Those chips bit the dust. They couldn't handle it.

NOW I know AMD quality has vastly improved since the XP and has alot more tolerance built in, and I was about to give x2 a whirl since its been six years. But Intel announced a surperior product making that decision mute.

If something fails you, say so. Dont be afraid of a backlash or criticism by zealots (they know who they are). Ive had tons of p4s and not 1 death.

well you obviously did not"thrash" your P4's much....Ever heard of SNDS? It killed quite a few northwoods in overclocking...It was about giving a bit too much vcore eventhough the temps were well within the opertaing parameters...

Then came the prescotts which have been heaters since day one....While thermal throttling has definitely saved them from burn out they can still die or get damaged from excessive vcore....I true ocer that "thrashes" their cpus likely would have done this in their process of learning...

I killed one northwood 1.8a by giving it 1.75v....even though my load temps were only in the mid 50's......Never killed an athlon yet so what does that say???


Your "not surprising" comment shows you for the troll you are and what you were really trying to do and that is your normal M.O....incite and inflame....

I think if you continue that practice of quoting ppl and then changing their words as if they said it I will ask for your vacation as well....Mods dont let this practice continue...

So you admitted that you didnt know what you were doing, killed a cpu as a result, and threw an insult in to boot. What a man. :thumbsdown:

Unlike you, I know not to overvolt. Those XP chips sucked. Period.

You need to be stripped of your title, because your attitude and behavior is unbecomming. Grow up already and stop being so childish.

I think I know quite a bit more then you and if you ever ventured over to XS back in the day you will knoe the ppl who killed more northwoods were the extreme ocers who were using water systems and thought just cause the temps were low they were fine going 1.8+v....

XP's did not suck....Back in the day the Xp's were a lot easier to "crack" the cores with the lack of an IHS, and amounted to most of the deaths I ever saw around here


The last part wont happen cause even in the end I give more to this community then a one sided partisan view as you merrily troll along.


As long as you crap as you troll I will follow you around to wipe your nose in it...the easy way to house break a stray cat!!!!

Your view is all AMD all the time and its all crap. Now go wipe your nose as you have crap on it again from trolling this thread.

:laugh:

If you were not so CLLUELESS you would realize I was exclusively INtel from 2001 to 2004 with northwoods...I had xps but I mainly ran Intels.....I am hardly Intel all the time...

Also, I have a Conroe preordered already with Tankguys.com...Do you????

I think it is clear who we all want to leave and just plain STHU.....


To the OP I apologize...I should have let this troll crap and leave, but I tried to take him to task on his obvious intent to flame this thread. At least I tried to help you....

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Markfw900 is a troll and has never backed anything up. Ignore him......

At least you admit it.

Well, Felix, this isn;t even fun. I have reported this to the moderators. Mis-quotes are lies, and thats is beyond trolling.

Looks to me as though you started the problem.
AnandTech Moderator

Kind of funny, but definitely not the response I was expecting.

I expected it. Mark is a blindly loyal fanboy lapdog who takes any praise of Intel or criticism of AMD as an affront to his personal honor. More sad than anything, but the mods aren't stupid.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blckgrffn

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Actually, I wasn't really calling him a troll; I was more interested in how the chips failed because I have had seven AMD chips (and four Intel chips) and never had any fail (except for the unfortunate water cooling incident which was most decidedly user error) so I was simply curious. I am tired and should of worded it differently but have had some interesting exchanges with Felix in the past. If I insulted or implied you were lying I apologize. I don't particularly care for the search function on this forum but will try thanks.

I admit I was slighlty irritated/interested in his "wasn't surprising" remark implying that AMD chips fail a lot? and I guess that irritated me a little. Sorry.

Edit: I forgot to mention since I don't have all the working chips (sold the computers/gave them away/threw them away) I couldn't prove they were all working but I was implying AMD failed and insinuated that that isn't surprising so I became curious to how they failed because I definitely had a chip "fail" but that was due to my error as I stated.

uggh. Ok this is the last time for people who dont search:

It was two 1700xps on a iwill xp333 board. Both were unlocked. Both were taken to the limit on air. Both only lasted a few days at those speeds. One died and never recovered. The other did live about week longer at stock and then started producing blue screens thereafter. Total crap.

has nothing to do with this thread...

No, but it sure is funny to hear someone whining about baking their chips on air...

I don't even want to know what the voltage was

Oh please. I treated those chips like I would any Intel chip and gave them a good thrashing. Ive been O/Cing since 1991 and I probably have more experience than all of you combined ^2. Those chips bit the dust. They couldn't handle it.

NOW I know AMD quality has vastly improved since the XP and has alot more tolerance built in, and I was about to give x2 a whirl since its been six years. But Intel announced a surperior product making that decision mute.

If something fails you, say so. Dont be afraid of a backlash or criticism by zealots (they know who they are). Ive had tons of p4s and not 1 death.

well you obviously did not"thrash" your P4's much....Ever heard of SNDS? It killed quite a few northwoods in overclocking...It was about giving a bit too much vcore eventhough the temps were well within the opertaing parameters...

Then came the prescotts which have been heaters since day one....While thermal throttling has definitely saved them from burn out they can still die or get damaged from excessive vcore....I true ocer that "thrashes" their cpus likely would have done this in their process of learning...

I killed one northwood 1.8a by giving it 1.75v....even though my load temps were only in the mid 50's......Never killed an athlon yet so what does that say???


Your "not surprising" comment shows you for the troll you are and what you were really trying to do and that is your normal M.O....incite and inflame....

I think if you continue that practice of quoting ppl and then changing their words as if they said it I will ask for your vacation as well....Mods dont let this practice continue...

So you admitted that you didnt know what you were doing, killed a cpu as a result, and threw an insult in to boot. What a man. :thumbsdown:

Unlike you, I know not to overvolt. Those XP chips sucked. Period.

You need to be stripped of your title, because your attitude and behavior is unbecomming. Grow up already and stop being so childish.

I think I know quite a bit more then you and if you ever ventured over to XS back in the day you will knoe the ppl who killed more northwoods were the extreme ocers who were using water systems and thought just cause the temps were low they were fine going 1.8+v....

XP's did not suck....Back in the day the Xp's were a lot easier to "crack" the cores with the lack of an IHS, and amounted to most of the deaths I ever saw around here


The last part wont happen cause even in the end I give more to this community then a one sided partisan view as you merrily troll along.


As long as you crap as you troll I will follow you around to wipe your nose in it...the easy way to house break a stray cat!!!!

Your view is all AMD all the time and its all crap. Now go wipe your nose as you have crap on it again from trolling this thread.

:laugh:

If you were not so CLLUELESS you would realize I was exclusively INtel from 2001 to 2004 with northwoods...I had xps but I mainly ran Intels.....I am hardly Intel all the time...

Also, I have a Conroe preordered already with Tankguys.com...Do you????

I think it is clear who we all want to leave and just plain STHU.....


To the OP I apologize...I should have let this troll crap and leave, but I tried to take him to task on his obvious intent to flame this thread. At least I tried to help you....

You were right, you would have done the OP a favor by just STHU. We can both agree on that. But you cant resist trolling me, so your apology is quite insincere. You cant even go 24 hours without trolling someone. And no doubt, you will even troll THIS response.

 

[Markfw]

felix, you are the one that we all wish would stfu, not Duvie, and you are the troll not him.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
felix, you are the one that we all wish would stfu, not Duvie, and you are the troll not him.

Thats funny, the Mod said you started trolling this thread, and everyone agreed.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Duvies points are well taken and very accurate!!thumbsup;

 

[warbean]

Ok, OP here again. New motherboard installed this weekend: MSI k8N Neo 4 Platinum.
Prime 95 continues to fail almost immediately, though I do see that it lasts an extra few seconds. (but well under a minute.)

Temepratures are around 50 idle, 60 laod (3dmark 05). I took the case off and blew a desk fan directly into the cpu to try. Still failed. (temps fell to around 43c)

 

[Markfw]

Did you say you have tried other memory ?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Did you say you have tried other memory ?

I think he said he used memory that was tested in another board....

have you tried a different PSU yet??? Make sure whatever PSU you use you minimize load by using (1) stick opf memory, (1) HDD only, no optical drives (after setup but before testing), weakest vid card you can...

Have you made sure you have plugged all the power plugs needed int the mobo....some mobos had additional 4 pin molex beside the regular 12v square one and 20pin mobo plug...

 

[bennny]

I beleive that your problem might be your cd-rom, as to the crashing. What kind of cd/dvd drives are you using? try disconnecting both of them and see if you still bsod. Also, did you go into your BIOS and check your HT multiplier? Set it to 3 to take it out of the equation. Also what voltage is that ram rated at? I know some ram just doesnt like the low voltage, and some doesnt like high voltage. It was corsair wasnt it? Is it at stock voltage? Try running it at .1 volt's higher and lower to see if either helps. See if that helps at all

p.s. I also fried a AXP 1200, when i OC'd it to 1500mhz+. It was totally user error, as i pushed the chip to far. I beleive that when you push something beyond it limits, i.e. over clocking, it will always be user error. You cant get mad at blowing your engine up with nitrous, when it wasnt meant for nitrous just my 2 cents.

P.P.S GOOD LUCK OP, I hope you can figure your problem out, i wouldnt keep going out and buying new stuff untill you know what you need, else you will end up with another computer

 

[Markbnj]

And no doubt, you will even troll THIS response.

Hahaha, so if he responds to your trolling, he's a troll? Look, you did a driveby on the thread because you saw a chance to post something that is near and dear to you: namely that AMD chips suck and Intel chips don't. Your comment had nothing to do with the thread, was unsupportable in the context with which it was delivered, and was frankly dishonest as you left the impression that you had AMD chips die on you during normal operation when in fact they were overclocked. If you want to post some historical MTBF numbers for AMD vs. Intel chips in order to rescue your integrity, then by all means do so.

Otherwise, exit here.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Markbnj

And no doubt, you will even troll THIS response.

Hahaha, so if he responds to your trolling, he's a troll? Look, you did a driveby on the thread because you saw a chance to post something that is near and dear to you: namely that AMD chips suck and Intel chips don't. Your comment had nothing to do with the thread, was unsupportable in the context with which it was delivered, and was frankly dishonest as you left the impression that you had AMD chips die on you during normal operation when in fact they were overclocked. If you want to post some historical MTBF numbers for AMD vs. Intel chips in order to rescue your integrity, then by all means do so.

Otherwise, exit here.

Newbcheese says what?

 

[Markbnj]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Markbnj

And no doubt, you will even troll THIS response.

Hahaha, so if he responds to your trolling, he's a troll? Look, you did a driveby on the thread because you saw a chance to post something that is near and dear to you: namely that AMD chips suck and Intel chips don't. Your comment had nothing to do with the thread, was unsupportable in the context with which it was delivered, and was frankly dishonest as you left the impression that you had AMD chips die on you during normal operation when in fact they were overclocked. If you want to post some historical MTBF numbers for AMD vs. Intel chips in order to rescue your integrity, then by all means do so.

Otherwise, exit here.

Newbcheese says what?

9300+ posts and you can't read yet?

 

[Bull Dog]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
...SNIP....

^Known Intel troll^
Please ignore.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Markbnj

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Markbnj

And no doubt, you will even troll THIS response.

Hahaha, so if he responds to your trolling, he's a troll? Look, you did a driveby on the thread because you saw a chance to post something that is near and dear to you: namely that AMD chips suck and Intel chips don't. Your comment had nothing to do with the thread, was unsupportable in the context with which it was delivered, and was frankly dishonest as you left the impression that you had AMD chips die on you during normal operation when in fact they were overclocked. If you want to post some historical MTBF numbers for AMD vs. Intel chips in order to rescue your integrity, then by all means do so.

Otherwise, exit here.

Newbcheese says what?

9300+ posts and you can't read yet?

9800+ newb, and your rant wasnt worth reading.

 

[Noubourne]

Man, you guys are lame. /offtopic

OK so have you tried undervolting and kicking down to a lower speed or something? Maybe you can run it at a lower speed and it won't be a complete loss?

Any other way to take it into a local computer shop and have them test it on their test bench or something? Just to take all variables of your hardware out of it - PSU - whatever else hasn't been replaced. If you call them up and talk to a guy you might find someone sympathetic who is willing to do it for free. It's an expensive chip after all. Dunno though, you've thrown a bunch of cash at it already. I'd be considering grabbing a 3000+ to overclock or maybe an Opty 165. At least that way when it craps out it only costs you a few bills tops.

 

[warbean]

OP again,

I ordered a 3800+ for $150 off of Newegg and will test the configuration that way. If it still fails, I will RMA it (7 day refund policy), and if it works I will assume that the CPU is indeed broken. I will try the voltage and memory tweaks if the new chip fails as well.

I know it is not a PSU issue, as I just installed a new Silverstone Strider 550w on it. Looking at heat again, and possibly just the CPU.

Unless 12 passes of memtest are not credible, I just cant believe it is a memory problem.

Yes, these "budget overruns" have been more than annoying, but I am now addicted to computer hardware. I would never have thought I could take apart and put together a computer as I have before I started this, and now I'm amazed at what I've learned. So it's not been a total loss.

 

[bennny]

computers are addicting, especially trying to get one that isnt playing well with the other computers to play nice. And what will be even better, is right after you get your rig up and running at 100%, we all know that you will then go for that 105% and be in the same boat

 

[lopri]

FelixDeKat: Can you argue without personal attacks? I can agree with your points without you attacking others "childish" "clueless" or"STHU". I see others attacking you, too, but your choices of vocabulary are definitely outstanding. The posts you've made in this thread should have been taken care of via PM's. I came back to this thread cause I made a few suggestions for the OP yesterday, and found it became a flame-fest, for the most part thanks to your inappropriate comments. If I were the OP I'd be very upset to see my thread being hijacked to be name-callings.

Others are not innocent, either. Please take care of things via PM's. Oh and please quote thoughtfully and properly, instead of quoting everything. It's very very annoying scroll all the way down only to find a line of insults after a long quote.

 

[bennny]

To the OP, when are you running memtest? In windows? Or from the boot cd? Did you try taking your cd/dvd drives out?

 

[Markbnj]

9800+ newb, and your rant wasnt worth reading.

It make sense that to you everything looks like a rant.

 

[warbean]

Originally posted by: bennny
To the OP, when are you running memtest? In windows? Or from the boot cd? Did you try taking your cd/dvd drives out?

I ran memtest off of a boot floppy. Have not tried taking optical drives out- new 3800+ should arrive tomorrow, see if that solves the problem.

I wonder what I can get for an old FX-53....it still runs my computer and games fine, but just apparently cant even do simple rounding problems correctly...